This veto this evening is going to cost President Bush much more

[saltpoint]

than he is capable of realizing.

The political blowback is going to be significant.

The bail trail of GOP Senators is going to get more and more crowded, and even the media -- spineless as they often are -- are going to be able to connect the dots between almost 2/3rds disapproval for the Iraq War and Bush's childish footstomping.

As for the terrorists following us home if we withdraw, I'm not all that worried. If Bush asked no sacrifice of U.S. citizens for this war, it must never ever have been threat enough to prompt national anxiety.

And it's not enough to prompt allegiance to Bush tonight either.

When a president has to go on national television to explain a veto which he is making in defiance of a strong majority of the citizens he purports to represent, his political standing is on life support.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Well said ...

... and so true.

[saltpoint]

13. Hey Nance. Happy May Day. I wish we had a real president to help

celebrate it!

The more recalcitrant Bush becomes, the less adult-like he's perceived, even by the thick-headed Rethugs who publicly support him.

And poor Jeb down in Florida.

His big brother sure has pissed in the Bush bucket this time.

[Arugula Latte]

45. Let's hope Dubya poisoned the Bush well for decades.

I don't want that asswipe Jeb to get any ideas that he can take over the country. :scared:

[saltpoint]

47. Yep -- I could do without Jeb in any office, in fact. He's at least as

bad as his daddy and his brother.

At least!

[whistle]

63. Jeb is in Tampa with his pack of neocons and Dubya was there

...this morning getting his marching orders and a copy of the "speech" he gave over the air at 6:10pm. He was told to read the speech word for word and to not alibi or take questions. Is there any doubt that this man is a complete puppet of the neocon cabal and fascist corporate empire builders?

The democratic controlled congress must stand firm against these bastards, hold back funding until the conditions for withdrawal and a time-line are established. Nancy and Harry can win if they just don't compromise of the critical conditions of the bill. Bush must accept a withdrawal time-line, or be forced to begin withdrawal now!

[NanceGreggs]

69. Hey, Old Crusoe!

And a Happy May Day to you, as well!

Yeah, that Bush Bucket is overflowing these days, ain't it?

[Madspirit]

2. k&r OC...n/t

[Breeze54]

3. He's in lala land.

Is he going on national tv tonight?? I hadn't heard that.

When??

PS.
The press already has connected the dots.
They just aren't promoting it!
ie. Doing their job! :grr:

[saltpoint]

38. Hi, Breeze54. I believe it's set for 6:10 pm eastern.

There'll be replays of it on C-Span here and there throughout the night, is my hunch.

Bush is sounding thinner and thinner on resolve these days. And the kickstand that's propping that resolve up is looking a little shakey, too.

[Breeze54]

41. Hi Old Crusoe!

:) Thank You!

I did hear that C-Span will be carrying it but I've heard
nothing from my local news that they will be doing the same.

I'll just stay tuned to C-Span. ;)

I didn't think * sounded shaky, just obstinate, as usual.
I hope you're right though!

[saltpoint]

42. I don't think my local news is going to run it either. I hope C-Span

comes through for us.

You'd think the little fool would hire a speech writer. I guess he has one, but the guy must not be all that sharp. Dubya's prepared addresses are some of the worst I've ever heard. Our local PTA chapter has better public speeches.

[Breeze54]

48. It may be the delivery and not the speeches, per say.

* has to be able to READ them!! ;)

And we all know about his lack of reading skills!!

<--book upside down!!

[saltpoint]

49. Yes. The delivery is terrible. There are some other posts on DU tonight

that raise the possibility that Bush's slurred speech is the alcohol talking.

But it's hard to tell if he just can't speak properly or if he's hitting the sauce.

[Breeze54]

50. I think it's his addictions resurging and

his learning disabilities, coupled with ADD.

But stupidity accounts for a lot of it! ;)

[saltpoint]

52. Yes. The combo of stupidity and stubbornness is the lethal mix.

I think your observation about the resurgent addictions is a real possibility.

Daddy Bush was said to be on some sort of prescription drug or other. I don't know if this was ever confirmed. But public speaking seems to be the victim of something in this clan.

[mwb970]

81. Arrogance, incompetence, stupidity, stubbornness, corruption.

That's our Georgie and his buddies. Obviously the worst president ever.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Like he cares. I agree though. He's just arrogant enough and he isn't up for re-election, so

he'll do whatever he wants, consequences for his party be damned! :rofl:

[AndyA]

5. I hope you're right.

I hope the screams of IMPEACH! IMPEACH!! IMPEACH!!! drown out everything else after tonight. I hope they are so loud, so numerous, and so strong that the media can no longer ignore them.

Then I will begin to feel better about our country again.

I so hope you are right! :thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

6. The petulant little son will 'shine' tonight; I agree with your assessment, and

imagine the rethugs, despite their posturing, must be really worried.

[POAS]

8. Posturing is nearly all they have left!

[saltpoint]

28. Yes. Hi, babylonsister. A certain Massachusetts Senator was on C-Span

this afternoon, and he blistered the Bush administration's hapless, clueless mismanagement of even broad outlines of the war.

Kerry's usually excellent on international affairs, but he was a lot better than that this afternoon.

[babylonsister]

44. Dang, I missed him! And FYI, MSNBC is covering dimson's speech. nt

[saltpoint]

46. The local news here didn't bother with it much either. Thanks for

the tip on MSNBC -- I hope I can catch the whole thing on C-Span later on.

[Initech]

7. Eventually, Bush's little bubble that's formed around himself is going to burst.

"Oh everything's going great in Iraq... oh there's good news to come out of the war..."

I swear every time Bush hears bad news about his Master Plan, he runs off with his hands around his ears going "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA..."

[lutefisk]

9. Best thing he could do, politically and ethically, is to surprise us

But your analysis is correct, no doubt. The little man will explain it to us and fewer and fewer people will agree with him.

[saltpoint]

16. Agree -- he's lost his political voice. I'm wondering if Josh Bolten

hasn't sat the little fool down privately, closed the door, and said, "Look, mr. President. I've got to keep things together in this office. I've got to keep the GOP leadership on the Hill happy. Or at least halfway happy. You can veto this bill out of determined principle but it has the feel of stubborn error. I'm sorry. I wish you'd reconsider. It would solve a lot of problems at the same time. Our last months here together would go a lot more smoothly."

And sadly I then picture the president responding to Bolten:

"You've said your peace. Now think of something damaging to leak to the press about SlamDunk, and get the hell out of this office."

[Catherine Vincent]

10. Bush just doesn't give a fuck. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Oh I so agree with you! nt

[bdamomma]

65. he doesn't give a shit about the what the american people want

either, he doesn't listen to no one.

[saltpoint]

11. We'll have to see how it's treated and how various media sources respond.

I think someone like Trent Lott will be on CNN or FOX to offer ostensible support for the president, but privately at lunch tomorrow, I bet a lot of Republican senators are going to be saying to each other, "Jesus, the goddam Democrats GAVE him a way out of this mess, and he's not taking it, and that means he's taking us down with him."

The bill Bush is vetoing gives more for the troops -- there AND at home -- than anything his inhuman and inhumane administration has offered them from the word 'go' -- AND it gives him an exit from a war he's botched fromt the beginning.

And he's vetoing it.

[EFerrari]

15. My humble vote would be not to wait to see how the corporate media

responds but to follow up in any way we can.

We have ACCESS to the media via the net, via ltte, via feedback to the coroporate lapdogs.

We can do that.

(Hmm. I think I just advocated joining a hanging party. Some pacifist I am. :rofl: )

[saltpoint]

17. All media sources need to be "observed."

We can almost count on Brit Hume to publicly offer to "tenderly approach the president's backside with his lips" but if The Economist, for instance, were to find fault with the president's apparent lack of principle, it would resonate much differently.

Or if John Warner were to hold a press conference and announce his support of the bill once the president has vetoed it and sent it back to Reid.

Something along those lines. I'm hoping for some spine from sources which for too long have been the Bush administration's handmaidens in thi war.

sfexpat, I wish I were in California this week. It would be exciting to be out there as a Democrat -- from San Diego's convention to the Bay Area's activism.

[EFerrari]

20. The Economist will weigh in, I bet.

I hope the Democrats are feeling how much support they have right now and that they aren't distracted by the upcoming primaries.

Hope, hope, hope.

Let's see how we do, my friend.

[saltpoint]

24. I'm in. I think how long it took public sentiment to turn against

the government during the years of Viet Nam.

It's been much swifter this time.

And I think Bush will pay the political price.

[Cha]

12. I hope so, Crusoe!~

The World would not have such an Extensive Terrorist Increase if bush and the US coporatemediawhores had not LIED us into the WAR ON IRAQ.

bush is Extending THE LIES and the American citizens want him to STOP.

The bushits want the OIL and the strategic military bases in IRAQ and how can they get that if we WE PULL OUT NOW AND GO HOME AND LET THE IRAQIS HAVE THEIR OWN LAND?..SADAM IS DEAD.

[saltpoint]

73. Hi, zidzi. Yes. Bush's thick skull seems impenetrable at times,

but the polls outside the White House are loud and clear.

The president has lost support, even within his own party.

He can blow the bugles on this veto, but it loses him more ground. He only seems more stubborn, and less presidential.

[mwb970]

82. The whole world is so sick of Bush.

You can feel it. Everyone everywhere wants him and his awful accomplices GONE. I've never seen or heard of an American leader so universally reviled throughout the world. Has any human been hated more?

Remember when Clinton was president? America was loved, respected, and admired by majorities in every country. Crowds greeted Clinton waving American flags. Now they all despise us. Hmm. Something must have happened right around January 2001 that sent America into a tailspin. But what was it?

[saltpoint]

83. That's a very good contrast. Yes. Bush is the difference. Clinton

was not perfect but Bush is not human.

Other nations' citizens tell us which of the two they'd prefer.

[waiting for hope]

18. Tis always a pleasure OC -

K&R!

I can't wait for the fallout.:popcorn:

[saltpoint]

21. Thanks, waiting for hope, and maybe the fallout will produce the

kind of activist response sfexpat and others here advocate.

Pelosi's staff knows the mood out there in the country. They know people's daughters and sons are dying, people's friends, people's parents -- whatever individual role it may be.

They know also that Iraqi people whose names we don't know are dying because of a recalcitrant fool's bloodlust and corporate thirst for oil.

[waiting for hope]

23. The way Murtha has been

saying IMPEACHMENT lately, I can only believe that it's being discussed, seriously discussed.

[saltpoint]

25. Yes. The public comments are one thing, but I bet you're right --

the private exchanges must be a lot juicier.

Go, Democrats!

[bdamomma]

84. I just sent Murtha a fax to keep impeachment on the table.

we have to rise up anyway we can.

[frogcycle]

19. this just may be the last straw for some

Charlie Rangel on Stephanie Miller this morning said there were quite a few republicans about to bolt - as they get closer to election - he said he thought stuff would start happening within three or four weeks. Senators are tougher because they don't all come up for reelection in '08

[saltpoint]

22. Good point on the Senators -- not all are up for re-election -- but the

Republican ballot in a lot of districts will be packed with pro-Bush Republican representatives.

I think it's to their own peril that they would back this veto.

Bush is being handed a way out of his own disastrous war and is stubbornly refusing it.

That's what's so astonishing to me.

[LiberalFighter]

67. It would have to depend on which ones are up for re-election.

A Republican Senator would have to feel that they must over-ride the veto because of any negative feedback from the voters. Those Senators would have to get polling on whether they can still win even if they voted against Bush. If it is close then they would probably vote against the over-ride.

Those that aren't up for re-election until 2010 or 2012 would have less to worry as the voters would tend to forget how they voted. If the Republican leadership understand that they would lose more seats in the House and the Senate if they don't over-ride the veto then they may strongly advise all that can afford it to vote against Bush.

The key is whether there is a possibility of losing more seats in the 2008 election. And if they can stem the losses by voting against Bush.

[katty]

26. absolutely-if he has to go on TV and whine again-he's so done

[saltpoint]

27. It's very possible that President Bush will warn us this evening that

the terrorist will follow us home.

So picture a line of them following our troops home.

As mentioned in previous DU posts, the actual logistics of their following us home remain unclear.

Would they swim? Are Islamic extremists any better than say, Baptists, at swimming? Well, actually Baptists might be pretty good swimmer. Scratch that. How about Methodists, or Unitarians? The swim option can't be ruled out, but it SEEMS unlikely. Call me a cynic.

Ok, then, what about frequent flyer miles? What's the average amount of frequent flyer miles for the average Islamic terrorist? I don't believe Mohammed Atta's miles transferred. If you can't play music and hang balloons in Afghanistan you probably can't transfer frequent flyer miles either. Just a hunch.

Maybe they'll book a Carnival cruise into Fort Lauderdale and then fan out from there. Look for Islamic terrorists, ladies and gentlemen, in your neighborhood groceries, your local Walgreens and BigLots, and down at the rootbeer stand.

[Disturbed]

30. The Dems have comromised with this Silverspoon Sociopath

way too much already. If they have spine they would send another Bill sans the pork and demand a US Troop Draw down with a certain date and keep sending a Bill each week for the Asshole to veto.

[saltpoint]

33. Biden certainly was pointing that direction this afternoon. Or this

morning -- whenever it was exactly.

He didn't sound to me like he was in the mood to cut Bush any slack. And John Kerry on C-Span was giving Condoleezza Rice holy hell over her conduct of this war.

These are just the early sparks of a Democratic firestorm.

[MuseRider]

32. HeeHee!

Having some fun today I see! Love it. Swimming, yes I think that might be it but they might actually be scuba diving instead of swimming. EGADS, Islamic terrorists with tanks of air! Unless of course they are using Nitrox, heaven forbid!

[saltpoint]

34. Islamic terrorist scuba divers -- and the secret cabals who fund them --

on the next MONTEL.

[MuseRider]

36. *snort*

Great one!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

29. Republicans fear of political blowback is almost a given

Just because he's has no reason to worry about his political future doesn't mean that the other Republicans aren't terrified of the potential for him to take them down with him. Especially those up for reelection in 2008. People are not happy about this veto. Any politicians choosing to stand by his side while the body count continues to rise in Iraq, may as well plan on spending more time with their families in the near future.

[MuseRider]

31. So is he doing this

on TV tonight? I have no TV right now, all storm warnings and I will be phone banking tonight so I will miss it if it is on. I know I can count on coming back and getting the story from DU. K&R as always you are right on. :hi:

[saltpoint]

37. Hey there, MuseRider. The president has asked for tv time this evening

at 6:10 p.m. to (evidently) explain why he is vetoing the bill sent to him by Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid.

We're speculating about what he's going to say and why, and what the fallout might be.

Watch those storms out there in that beautiful, wind-blown open space, and take care of those wonderful quadropeds, too.

[MuseRider]

40. They are about 10 miles north

so I can watch them and boy were they powerful. Little storms, lots of funnel clouds and tornados. Me? Not a drop of rain but humid as all get out. Did you know I now have 2 Pygmy goats? Long story but I do have to say, I think they may be the coolest creatures I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with.

Ah Bush**, he will make a huge ass of himself once again and cause the Reps nothing but grief not to mention the rest of us and the worst of all, our soldiers and the innocent Iraqi people.

Thanks, it is hard to keep up lately. Having only a few channels out here I can now understand why people who do not read or spend time trying to hear all sides took so long to come around. It is pitiful what goes for news on the big 3, just a sad mess.

Gotta go make phone calls, I am leveraging by doing two nights for the Peace and Justice Center hoping I can get them to call for the Kansas Equality Coalition next time we need them. Took me 53 years but I have finally learned how to work the system!

[saltpoint]

43. "The System" is in very capable hands if yours are the hands it's in.

I didn't know you had the goats, but include them in my best wishes along with the horses.

And it isn't all that long before you're heading to a large eastern city, is it?

Get out the door and be careful with the weather. All good wishes.

[loudsue]

35. But the Dems have already TOLD bush that they're going to send a new bill without

the deadlines. He's ALREADY WON this tantrum, and they've told everyone so!

Dems & repukes in congress need to say..."ok. We'll override your fucking veto!! You go to war with the congress you HAVE, not the congress you WANT!!!"

:kick::kick::kick:

[saltpoint]

39. I believe there will be the accumulative public perception that the

110th Congress has passed legislation opposing U.S. involvement in the war, and that Bush, in a sustained fit of stubbornness, is the obstacle.

The Obstructionist.

The dangerously willful child stomping his foot on the playground because he didn't get his way.

I think the Democrats are playing this one pretty well. It think it's Bush who'll have the explaining to do.

[myrna minx]

51. I totally agree with you. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

56. I don't know -- it sounds as if what he's going to get is

just another way to achieve the same result.

"Ok, no timelines, buster. How about the "benchmarks" you've already suggested? We'll just give them some congressional oomph -- you'll be happy about that, right?"

Sure bet the "government" in Iraq will meet none. Then we have to have the backbone to move on it.

[RestoreGore]

75. That would take a courage and morality this Congress does not posess n/t

[saltpoint]

78. The 110th Congress has been in session 14 weeks. I think your judgment

of what its character or accomplishments is premature.

[RestoreGore]

86. Sorry, I don't n/t

[The Count]

53. Now the bills need to be put to vote for override. Daily. Gavel's lesson.

Every day - both houses. Put it for vote.

[greymattermom]

54. veto

Just say Bush vetoed the "support our troups" bill. We can use language too.

[Madspirit]

57. ooooh...I like it!

Bush vetoed the "support our troups" bill. Very good!
Lee

[JerseygirlCT]

61. Exactly. Keep it simple, and to the point

Bush doesn't want to fund our troops. He doesn't think he needs to support them, pay, train or equip them for the job HE sent them to do.

[JerseygirlCT]

55. All I can say is my little guy was pretty upset about missing

The Simpsons so the idiot could recycle old speeches and make excuses for the veto. And I can't say I blame him!

Now the Dems just HAVE to continue to point out, repeatedly, that they DID provide funding for the troops. The president vetoed that funding. We have to grip that with fingernails, if necessary.

[saltpoint]

59. JerseygirlCT, I don't blame your son one bit. Have him phone the White House

and give our idiot president the what-for.

Agree with you on the need to push again and again the idea that the Democrats have done the people's will, and that it's Bush who is blocking the path.

[JerseygirlCT]

60. Hi OC - always good to "see" you!

I was shameless. I told him: blame George Bush.

(As if he needed more reasons! We're raising him right, lol!)

Yes, we cannot allow him to get away with "they don't want to fund the troops" as he tried to do tonight.

No, idiot, it's you who apparently has no interest in funding the troops, since you just vetoed the funding bill...

[saltpoint]

62. You told him to blame Bush? Good for you.

Some excellent parenting going on at your house tonight.

We'll see how this plays out in the next couple of days, but I think the president made a mistake with this veto.

[roamer65]

58. * just opened the gateway to a 9% approval rating.

[bdamomma]

66. pull that rope a little tighter w.

[madokie]

64. your last statement is so true

[JeffR]

68. If Webster's wants to update their definition of "Succinct"

they need look no further than what you've said here.

Bravo, OC!

[saltpoint]

71. JeffR, from you, that is a great compliment. Thank you. Bush is

his usual dopey self today -- that veto presser was pretty lame in content -- and Condi is nowhere to be found, even as the Middle East gets worse and not better.

If this were a business, we would have fired these folks a long time ago!

[krkaufman]

70. Hopefully. But Republicans failing to override the veto may cost them even more.

Bush isn't running again, but a lot of Republicans are up for re-election this next time around. Sticking with Bush on his veto could/should be held against them.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

72. Fashion Question:Will Shrub be wearing his "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckle???

Inquiring minds want to know.
:evilgrin:

[RestoreGore]

74. First of all he is NOT the President, and this isn't about HIM

He NEVER acquired that title within the laws of this land or the Constitution and has done NOTHING to respect that office that he has demeaned and tarnished with his revenge and ignorance for all of the years WE have allowed him to occupy it. And I don't care about more swordplay betweeen him and the Democrats just to use it for their 2008 "election" which is exactly what all of this is about while people DIE, because he has NO political standing to lose. And it matters not if this lying traitor goes on tv or not if he is continued to allow to subvert the will of the American people and LIE to them. I submit that his so called political standing that some Democrats still think he has as they still respectfully call him "president" better be leading to impeachment, or many may just be sitting out the next DIEBOLD election since it will be obvious that neither side gives a damn about anything but political theatre. This isn't about HIM and I am angry that Democrats for all of their talk about wanting to do something are now making this about him. IMPEACH HIM ALREADY before he uses what little "political" standing" some think he has and the power he still actually does have because we handed our Constitution to him on a silver platter, to escalate this occupation and lock this country down. We are not dealing with someone who possesses all of his faculties and I personally am tired of the back and forth with Iraq as the centerpiece. And while I will never forgive what he and his people have done to this country, I will also certainly not forgive the enablers on all sides who have brought us to this point just because they want to play "politics."

[frogcycle]

77. nice rant

The only thing I take exception to is the "he is not the president." Minor quibble, perhaps, but he got sworn in. Regardless of what chicanery led to that event, he got sworn in. And he is thus subject to all the criticism for abusing that position, as you go on to describe.

The most salient point is the one I think many of us fear most - that if he is "boxed in", "caged", "hog-tied", whatever euphemism one wants to use for oppressive, stifling, stultifying oversight (which I hope gets moreso) he'll crack and be able to do more damage before being hauled off in a straitjacket. VT analogy. If he were to decide, say, that bombing Iran, or arresting all dems, or whatever, was called for, might he get some of his orders carried out before people realized he had actually gone round the bend? Might he do further irreparable harm? In our worst nightmares, we wonder about the various conspiracy theories. Just how far might these people go? Those of us who doubt the "inside job" tale w/respect to 9/11 don't doubt it because we think they wouldn't have done it, just that we don't think the evidence shows they actually did. If so, then "containment" is insufficient. To use another analogy, many thought we had Saddam Hussein "contained" and that was sufficient. bush and friends though otherwise - they said he was a madman with access to weapons of mass destruction, and needed to be removed - that we needed "regime change". I rest my case.

[RestoreGore]

88. exactly

He still has all of the powers given to him by the Patriot Act, The Real Id Act, The Military Commissions Act, etc. He can still declare us enemy combatants if he so chooses, and our rights have in many cases still been abrogated regardless of the status of this bill. The only political fallout I then see that is imperative is impeachment before as you also state, the "cornered rat" syndrome takes hold. And as far as being president is concerned, he hasn't really been a president constitutionally since 2000, therefore in my view everything he has done has been unconstitutional. He may be president on paper to many, but morally and constitutionally that is still debatable which to me makes all of this even more heinous.

[saltpoint]

79. It's my topic in the OP and it is in fact about George Bush.

You missed the point. You missed it completely. And you had a chance to get it.

You might read through a thread before you explode at people, RestoreGore.

You don't have to. But it would help you out considerably in understanding what's going on around you.

Have a nice day.

[RestoreGore]

87. You called him President Bush

And he is no president to me so what point did I miss? And he has no political capital left and the Democrats are making it about him when it is about the will of the people and them upholding the duty they swore to uphold. If they now give him another bill to sign without a timetable, I give up. I am tired of giving him chances and that is exactly what it seems like this Congress will continue to do the longer they just talk and the longer they continue to play these political games. I would hope to be proven wrong but so far that isn't happening at the pace I think it should be. He is also no president to me, never was and never will be, and certainly is not according to our own Constitution and I have every right to state my point on that in disagreement. So you have a nice day too.

[saltpoint]

91. I get your point, but it's not the point being discussed.

You seem to be on a hairtrigger to disagree with people on these boards.

Why not drink some iced tea and relax a bit?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

76. "Bail trail" of US Senators?

Not enough to override, though. Or to convict on impeachment. There will be some sentiment change among Reps, but nothing strong enough to affect voting.

[saltpoint]

80. The post concerned Bush's political capital. Over the remainder of his

term it is increasingly lessened in large part because his veto defies the expressed will of a large majority of the citizens he purports to represent.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

85. Political capital? Yeah, he's running a deficit

leaving the Republica party in a political hole that it'll take a while to climb out of.

Democrats would have to go out of their way to screw up this opportunity in 2008.

[saltpoint]

92. Agree. Long ago the Republican Party was not nearly as vitriolic and

petty as it is today.

When people like John Danforth left the Senate -- and Howard Baker and a few others -- the jackals closed in on the joint -- people like Rick Santorum and so forth -- and then Dubya was the cherry-on-top.

They are going to face considerable odds for a lot of statewide races in 08 also.

And if we really crank it up, we can have ourselves a great election at all levels.

[klyon]

89. not sure why the Dems and the Congress should do anything

He asked for funding, he got funding, he rejected it. Done deal. If he has no funding he will have to start pulling troops back to safe positions. If he puts our troops in danger because there is no gasoline to move them out or die because supplies can't reach them, then he will hang. There must be a plan in place for retreat. What are the Generals thinking, going over the cliff with a crazy man?
Someone please arrest George now.

KL

[EC]

90. I can't believe that's his whole arguement

As for the terrorists following us home if we withdraw, I'm not all that worried. If Bush asked no sacrifice of U.S. citizens for this war, it must never ever have been threat enough to prompt national anxiety


He really thinks we're as stupid as his 30%ers? For God sake, alQuada is all over the world including here, if they wanted to get us here - they would...whether we are in Iraq or not...

[saltpoint]

93. Yes -- Bush loves to trot out the terra terra terra defense of his

very questionable foreign policies.

There has always been "terrorism" in the world. My guess is it's not going away by next weekend, surge or no surge.

I often look at the faces of Bush's field commanders when they are on C-Span. The words coming out of their mouths are increasingly ambiguous and neutral. I'm guessing that behind those neutral words, in their true thoughts, they know that our Commander in Chief has no credibility on "terrorism."