Freepers planning 2nd Amendment Rally on National Mall Apr. 19, complete with guns

[wordpix]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475387/posts

The 2nd Amendment March has provided the following Rally Rules and Code of Conduct:

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/about

Get ready, Washington!

Tonight, Rachel reported that extremists are planning an Apr. 19 gathering at a Va. national park, complete with guns. I went on the web to look up the national park in order to protest this questionable use of a national park, and instead, found the freepers are planning a little picnic of their own on the National Mall.

http://billstclair.com/blog/19_april_2010_bring_your_sidearms_and_longarms_to_the_banks_of_the_potomac.html

Please make all your DC contacts aware of this event. The nation needs to prepare for the crazies who come with guns loaded.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/02/restore-constitution-open-carry-rally.html

The plan is to "open carry," with no "illegal" firearms allowed. Who's doing the background checks on THAT? :shrug: :scared:

[cynatnite]

1. The day the Murrow building was blown up by Timothy McVeigh. n/t

[Bicoastal]

4. Holy shit.

:wow:

[csziggy]

6. And the day the Branch Dravidian compound burned

Which was one of the excuses McVeigh used for his terrorism.

[B Calm]

251. It cracks me up how RW's protect their image of that CHILD MOLESTOR!

[libnnc]

7. ...

Not. Good.

These freaks are out of control.

[FLyellowdog]

46. Is this you, Lib?

:hi:

[libnnc]

48. hellooo

:hi:

[FLyellowdog]

49. it's getting scary out there....

[wordpix]

8. it is also the day of the Waco, TX fire at Branch Davidian compound

Rachel says it's the "Christmas Day" of the open carry movement

[yodermon]

39. AND Manson's sentencing date AND the day before Columbine which is Hitler's birthday,

and ratzinger was elected pope on the 19th.
and soviets shot down korean air 902 on the 20th.
VA tech massacre on April 16th.
anything else.

[merh]

65. you missed a couple

1775 – American Revolutionary War: The war begins at the Battle of Lexington and Concord.

1861 – American Civil War: Baltimore riot of 1861, a pro-Secession mob in Baltimore, Maryland, attacks United States Army troops marching through the city.

[eShirl]

224. of course, Hitler's birthday

their High Holy Day

[goclark]

218. I forgot, what happened to him?

[metalbot]

225. The significance is Lexington and Concord

On April 19, 1775, troops under the command of General Thomas gage marched through the night to seize arms and powder that were stored in Concord, triggering the start of the shooting part of the American Revolution.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. Are these terrorist cells?

[defendandprotect]

14. At the least they have to be right wing militia . . .

Morris Dees/Southern Poverty Law Center says there's been a tremendous

rise in the numbers of militia groups.

Heard that on one of the radio shows today.

[metalbot]

226. You don't have to be militia to support the second amendment

In fact, the Heller case clearly established that militia membership is not a criteria for exercising the second amendment...

[wordpix]

32. traced to Dick Armey and FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks
The Honorable :rofl: Dick Armey (Chairman)

Former House Majority Leader
The Honorable James H. Burnley

Venable

A partner at Venable LLP, James H. Burnley previously served as the U.S. Secretary of Transportation from 1987 to 1989 and is one of the nation’s foremost authorities on transportation law and policy. He also served as Deputy Secretary of Transportation from 1983 to 1987 and was General Counsel of the Department in 1983. Prior to his years with the USDOT, Mr. Burnley served as Associate Deputy Attorney General for the Justice Department and as Director of the VISTA Program in the early 1980s.
Matt Kibbe

FreedomWorks
Thomas Knudsen

Thomas Publishing Company

Thomas Knudsen is president of Thomas Publishers located in New York City. He graduated from Yale University and received an MBA from the Uris School of Business.
Richard J Stephenson

Cancer Treatment Centers of America

Richard Stephenson heads the Cancer Treatment Centers of America as well as several other health care, finance, and real estate companies. He received his bachelor's degree from Wabash in Crawfordsville, Ind. and his J.D. from the Northwestern University School of Law.


FreedomWorks Emeritus Board
Bill Jaeger

Jaeger Vineyards
FreedomWorks Foundation
The Honorable Dick Armey (Chairman)

Former House Majority Leader
Steve Forbes (Full Bio)

Forbes Magazine

Steve Forbes is President and Chief Executive Officer of Forbes and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes magazine. The company’s flagship publication, Forbes, is the nation’s leading business magazine, with a circulation of 900,000. In both 1996 and 2000, Mr. Forbes campaigned vigorously for the Republican nomination for the Presidency. Key to his platform were a flat tax, medical savings accounts, a new Social Security system for working Americans, parental choice of schools for their children, term limits and a strong national defense. Mr. Forbes is the author of Flat Tax Revolution: Using a Postcard to Abolish the IRS (Regnery, 2005) and A New Birth of Freedom (Regnery, 1999).
Ted Abram

American Institute for Full Employment

Ted Abram is executive director of the Klamath Falls, Oregon-based American Institute for Full Employment. Prior, Abram served 16 years as a Circuit Court Judge for the State of Oregon. He spent ten years as Presiding Circuit Judge for Klamath and Lake Counties and served on the Commission for Judicial Fitness for six years.
Matt Kibbe

FreedomWorks
Robert Lansing

Litchfield Advisors, a Chicago real estate advisory company
Frank M. Sands, Sr.

Sands Capital Management

Frank M. Sands, Sr., is Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer of Sands Capital Management. Sands Capital Management began operations in February of 1992. It was founded with the belief that a small, dedicated, professional investment group, committed to and focused on a high quality growth investment strategy, could create wealth for its clients over time and in a prudent fashion. The investment strategy has been developed and refined by Frank over his 37-year career in investment management. Since 1992, assets under management have increased from approximately $60 million to approximately $19 billion. In addition to his successful business, Mr. Sands has been involved as a board member of a number of different volunteer boards and community organizations. He and his wife, Marjorie, reside in Virginia.

[C_U_L8R]

3. circular firing squad

or massive circle jerk

same thing with these freeping ding-dongs

[arcadian]

5. Oh man, I'm soooo fucking there.

Camera in hand.

[wordpix]

9. be careful

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

11. There's a very "get your gun" mood in the air of the T-baggers . . .

Strong GOP/NRA basis in this aggression --

In Palin's "RELOAD" . . . !!!

Plus add in the racism, misogny and homophobia --

and the confusion over what socialism actually is and what fascism actually is -

i.e., control of corporations over government/agencies/press.

Much of this may also be connected to the rise of right wing militias which seem

also to be connected to the destruction of women's clinics!

And possibly to election steals?

"Pro-life" violence? How many GUNS involved there?

Right wing is violent -- that much we do know!!

[libnnc]

17. I'd forgotten about Caribou Barbie's little "RELOAD" dog whistle

Classy, classy bunch of ass carrots.

[wordpix]

27. FreedomWorks is behind it - check this out

http://teaparty.freedomworks.org/events/washingtontax-day-and-2nd


"RSVP for Washington-Tax Day and 2nd Amendment Rally and March-6 nights and 7 Days to add comments!

Join FreedomWorks Tea Party Group"

[wordpix]

157. read this from the "survivalists"

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?s=0f442bf947974bbcce8d32f884985132&t=100779

From patrickhenry3
Quote:
Originally Posted by pudding7 View Post
" I want to be able to say I did my best to avoid conflict in every manner that I could."

Does anyone else see the irony in that statement in an email urging people to bring their loaded guns to a protest march where apparently the mood is... "so close as we seem to be open conflict -- and we are but one unpredictable agency misadventure from that"
No, I don't. We will be exercising our rights under the Constitution. Openly and legally, in broad daylight and close enough to the powers that be that it may cause them to pause and think about the unintended consequences of any action they may take in the future that will infringe upon our rights under the Constitution. And so that our government will understand that any attempt to disarm law abiding citizens that care about the direction in which our Republic is headed, will result in us defending ourselves.

You also wrote:

"...so close as we seem to be open conflict -- and we are but one unpredictable agency misadventure from that..."

That which is above is the atmosphere that our government creates, including ATF, FBI and DHS, on a daily basis. These agencies are unpredictable. Members here regularly post threads that say, "I lost all my guns in a boating accident..." or "cache most of your guns away from your home, in case the SHTF and they come for them.." etc., etc., etc.

Government agents, BATF, FBI, DHS, etc., are hell bent on shredding the Constitution in any way they see fit. Any "open conflict" would be the result of the government deciding to make the mistake of jailing or killing citizens that own firearms, because they feel threatened by them. This would create an open conflict. I do not want that and no one that I personally know wants that. But we will defend ourselves if forced to do so.

And we did not lose our firearms in a boating accident.

At this time, we know through information gathered from within the agency, that the ATF is experiencing much infighting among its agents and their superiors, due to the fact that there are those within the agency that know the ATF is corrupt and that they break the law daily. And that they target any citizen that they feel threatened by. At this time they are also facing the real possibility of the Government reducing the amount of $$$ they receive. The ATF does not want that. If that happened they wouldn't be able to buy any more military toys, etc. Currently the ATF is without proper leadership or agency integrity.

At this time, there is much anger and resentment by the citizens of our Republic toward our government. And rightly so. Our nation is reaching a boiling point. The direction is which our government is headed is a very dangerous one. Just as it was on February 28,1993, when overly aggressive and highly militarized agents of BATF set out to put on a "big show" to increase their budgets and prestige by attacking the Branch Davidian religious group outside of Waco, Texas.

Six months earlier, agents had spurned David Koresh's attempts to cooperate with their investigation of his gun business by inviting them to see his guns. On February 28, when he came to the front door and tried to cooperate, agents shot him and mortally wounded his father-in-law. Other agents started shooting from helicopters, killing four Davidians.

[lib2DaBone]

Oh Great... THAT should be interesting...

..a bunch of armed crazies facing a bunch of SWAT Team Troopers... what could possible go wrong?

[kestrel91316]

12. Prediction: They are gonna make an attempt to take over the Capitol or WH or something

by overwhelming security. Expect shots fired and hostages taken. They didn't pick that date for no reason. They plan something big.

[onenote]

25. i'll take that bet

they're pretend warriors. they aren't going to do anything but wave their guns and hold up racist, offensive, violent tea bag signs.

[wordpix]

28. totally agree

:scared:

[MUAD_DIB]

100. My prediction...

Let's say that they went for the brass ring and tried to take the capitol.

Firstly, I would imagine that a great number of politicians won't be in D.C. that day...or the president. Prudence would suggest that there would be a manufacturing plant to visit someplace.

Secondly, D.C. is a big, wide-open place where you can see an armed mob coming from some distance away. If they went for the brass ring they wouldn't get very far. These clowns would not have any air cover or backup support. Good luck to them and the hell that they would bring on themselves.

If hostility did break out you might see the detainment/arrest of the sponsors of the event (I believe Dick Army) and anybody else that was involved (i.e. anybody that has been inciting this nonsense lately).

If hostility did break out then marshal law would be declared most likely with a shoot to kill order attached to anybody that has a weapon in their hands that did not drop it immediately upon request.. Cops aren't going to eat a bullet because some RW crazy wants to go out in wacked-out glory.

Soon after that a pissed off POTUS would demand legislation be passed that would outlaw every RW hate group in America, and the GOP would be wise to not stand in the way of that. The American public would be totally behind the POTUS on that.


So my prediction is that I would expect nothing to happen except for some mouth-breathing rednecks to assemble, act tough then go to the nearest McDonald's and then clog their arteries in some weird form of digestive celebration.

[jefflrrp]

175. the event isn't in DC, where up until late....

even owning a handgun, much less openly carrying one, was strictly a no-no. And the April 19 date was specifically set up for the Lexington/Concord effect, as well as the Branch Davidian thing. Ive talked to a few going.

They're upset about the healthcare thing, but this sort of thing (none of you will believe me I guess) has been brewing since Bush II. Hardly any of the conservative/libertarian types that will be going to this thing liked Dubya either, but since Obama is of the other party, its also easier to be angry at him now. Although lord knows Bush was only a RINO anyway.

I don't forsee a problem. Every open-carry type person I've ever met (and me, as I used to occasionally open carry my Glock 19 before I sold it) has been nothing but courteous and polite. If anything happens, or anyone gets too out of hand, I foresee a smackdown by its own people.

The rally is meant as a warning. Not that I agree or disagree with it. But many people see the last few presidential administrations as actively (or covertly) taking away the rights and freedoms of the people. If one stepped outside of party affiliation, you can certainly make a case for it (what w/ Bush's Patriot Act, Obama reauthorizing it, the mandate, etc). The people attending want the government to know theyre mad. And with everything going on in the economy, the political scene, etc, I can kinda see why theyre mad.

I mean, how many elections with HOPE and CHANGE or DEMOCRATS SUCK or REPUBLICANS SUCK are we going to have to go through until we realize that major players in both parties just want to either keep the status quo or fuck over their constituents more?

[hex29a]

176. Well, I feel WAY less threatened by a visible gun than concealed ones.

Although some cops make me pretty nervous...

[leftynyc]

180. You say the rally is a warning

About and against whom?

[nolabear]

191. A warning? A warning with a gun involved sounds like a threat to me.

I think it's evidence of an all-encompassing feeling of powerlessness and rage that goes way beyond this event or time, conducted by people who feel this way in their day-to-day lives and can't imagine having the ability to do anything but escalate into battle. There are other courses of action. That man with Parkinson's Disease showing concern and empathy and wanting to engage in dialogue (though I know he expected the response he got) received copious attention and support for his pov by simply sitting and breathing and letting the world see the Tea Party for what it is. They seem to be violently inclined, and guns are not going to help in any way, shape or form.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

204. Well, I went to literally a dozen or more actions ---

against what Bush was doing to the Constitution and the illegal war he was waging.

And I can tell you first hand your friends simply weren't there.

In fact, the only time I saw your friends was behind a police line, protesting ME for protesting Bush's policies.

It's funny how it takes a Democrat and a black Democrat at that to finally pry their butts from their Barcaloungers to protest. :eyes:

[MUAD_DIB]

220. I understand where the event is. I was responding to the post before mine about the

chances of the mouth breathers trying to take the capitol.

1) This sort of thing has been brewing since Bush II, but it only boils over when the black guy gets elected?

2) Bush wasn't a RHINO he is/was a Republican Frat Boy. The right wing isn't going to pawn him off on us and neither should you, my friend.

3) It is good that you don't foresee a problem. Neither do I. If there is then there will probably be a lot of dead people and a very sorry Dick Armey, Caribou Barbie and GOP.

4) Fuck warnings. So what rights have been taken away from the mouth breathers? Name one? They still have the right to be dumb as a rock.

5) Are you going to tell me that there is no difference between the parties? Please don't. I've heard that talk before and it just doesn't wash.

[wordpix]

242. there IS an event in DC--- the fine print on the website says

"don't bring guns." (On the FAQ page).

There is also an event at Ft. Hunt National Park 10 mi. away in VA in which the marchers will open carry. The NPS states they must abide by state rules so the VA rally is open carry b/c VA allows it. The Ft. Hunt group is marching to Gravelly Pt., which one poster says is where people go to watch the planes take off at National Airport.

I don't think any of this is wise but then again, I plan to stay home and if there are fireworks, I'll watch them safely.

[jmowreader]

229. The other thing you left out...

If they tried to go for the brass ring and take the capital, they'd have to deal with the fact Washington is REAL close to a lot of troops.

Start with the Marine Barracks at Eighth and I and the Washington Navy Yard. Add Fort McNair, where the Old Guard (the 3rd Infantry Regiment, whose primary mission is defending the Capitol). Fort Meade isn't that far away. Quantico is close. Norfolk is very close, and DC is close enough to Fort Bragg that you could also expect Special Forces, Delta and 82nd Airborne troops to participate. Troops are sworn to protect the nation against "all enemies both foreign and domestic," and it wouldn't take much to declare those people domestic enemies.

So, teabaggers, go for it! Try to take Washington and you'll find out pretty quick your intense training playing Call of Duty in your mom's basement pales compared to that of a guy who's been through the Marine Corps School of Infantry, the US Army Infantry School or the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center.

[leftynyc]

179. Nah - bunch of cowards

They (and their tiny dicks) would crap their pants if they had to face actual combat. Real heroes have no need to wave their guns around.

[cowman]

181. Hey Hero

I have faced combat, look at my service ribbon. There are alot of us "leftwing Democrats" that are pro-gun rights than you think. I suspect you have never faced combat and belittling lawful gun owners is just stupid. I think you'll find that alot of the atendees are combat vets and not all are freepers and teabaggers

Oh BTW I am a licensed CCW holder and a loyal Dem

[leftynyc]

192. Chill the fuck out

I'm a gun owner also. Do you feel the need to march to the country's capitol and wave your firearms around? Are you looking to intimidate people because they don't agree with your worldview? That's all these ill-bred cowards are trying to do and I'll call them anything I damn well please. That you can't read my post without assuming I'm speaking of ALL gun owners is your problem.

[cowman]

193. I apologize

I just get sick and tired of people calling us gun owners RW nuts or paranoid and all we want to do is go shoot up people or other things or comparing our dicks to the size of our guns or claiming that most gun owners are cowards who would shit or go blind when confronted danger.

I regulurly carry concealed when I am off duty from my job as a FF/PARA and I have never felt the urge to pull and shoot just because I do carry.

As far as the rally, as long as it is within the law, I have no problem with it and how does everyone know that they will be "waving their guns around"?

The Dem Party should embrace the RKBA wholeheartedly because this is rights issue

Once again, I came off to hard and I apologize

Have a hell of a good day:toast:

[leftynyc]

194. No worries

There are plenty of gun owners and people who support the 2nd amendment on this site and I've done "battle" on this subject myself. I have no problem with the rally because I support all the bill of rights but I do think the charge that they will be waving their guns around is extremely valid in this case where they are opening calling for gunowners to attend and bring their guns (or else, why would they bother with that info).

For the record, although I've always supported gun owners, I didn't become one myself until Bush was elected in 2004. I felt, as a liberal, that my country considered me an enemy. I don't make a big deal out of it because I figure it's fine with me if all the lunatics on the right assume they're the only ones armed.

Anyway, you have a great day also. Peace.

[cowman]

196. Anyone who does

wave their gun around should be arrested for displaying a firearm in a threatening way and also for possession of a firearm while being stupid.

Also, they can't open carry or conceal carry in D.C. and if they do the book should be thrown at them

[leftynyc]

197. If there were a law

about being in possession while being stupid, the jails would bust at the seams. I think getting arrested is exactly what they're looking for (to support their fantasy about fascists taking over this country of THEIRS).

[cowman]

198. I am so far removed

from D.C. and I have zero desire to go there, matter of fact, I don't even like leaving my time zone here in NV. The last time I left my time zone was in 2005 when I did some training with the Phoenix Fire Dept.

[stanwyck]

199. Most of the vets I know are NOT gun nuts

They did their time with guns during their military service. They're over it. It's the wannabes who are gun crazy.
I'd love to know how many atendees are combat vets. I doubt many are. (hey, but in their minds, they're Rambo).

[cowman]

200. Just because alot of us vets

own guns doesn't mean we are nuts and that's where I take exception at people who call us gun nuts or RW nuts. I own over 50 handguns and rifles including several military styled civilian rifles, I enjoy shooting as it relieves the stress I have after a 24 hour shift with the LVFR and also they are worth a hell of a lot more now than when I bought them so for me it is also an investment

[stanwyck]

205. My major concern with guns is that children too often get

their hands on them. I know people attempt to take all kinds of precautions. But, we all did things our parents told us not to do. Repeatedly. And our children are the same. You can threaten them, warn them, counsel them...and they'll drink underage, have sex before they're ready, smoke pot - or worse, and find Dad's guns absolutely irresistable - even when he's told them to leave them alone.
You've just increased the odds considerably with an arsenal of 50 guns.
By the way, that's some heavy Freudian compensation there. 50 guns?

[cowman]

207. I agree there

is a concern with guns and children in the same house and any parent who doesn't properly secure their weapons in, say, a safe and a child gets a hold of it and a tragedy happens should be charged which most states have laws on the books to cover such incidents.

My daughter grew up around firearms and by 5yo knew all about gun safety, how to disassemble and reassemble, and could shoot better than probably 90% of gun owners, now she's a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer, couldn't get here to become a Firefighter like her dad but am still damn proud of her. She also a Firearms Instructor.

As for all the firearms I own, I like collecting and the value just keeps going up, I bought my Colt AR-15 several years ago for I think it was 700.00 now worth appox 1300-1500. Not a bad investment. I also like to relieve my stress by going out to the desert and popping off a couple hundred rounds, especially from my Swedish Valmet chambered for 5.56mm. It really helps me deal with the stresses of my job.

[stanwyck]

208. Congrats to your daughter

My son was raised in our house without guns. And, at 19, he joined the Marines. His biggest concern before boot camp was not knowing anything about guns. My husband assured him that he'd learn. He was so worried everybody else would be ahead of him. Turned out, he's a natural. He was a sniper in Iraq for 3 tours. He's in his 8th year as an active duty Marine, now with the canine unit. My father, a WWII veteran, said shooting skill sure didn't come from his side. He barely qualified on the shooting range.
Good luck relieving your stress.

[cowman]

209. I grew up

around firearm and was a natural shot. My father was a career Marine who fought in Korea, I really broke his heart when I joined the U.S.Navy and became a Seabee, went to Vietnam in 69-70 and when I got home and finished my 4year enlistment I kind of bummed around for a year or 2 and then a friend of mine got me a job as a Firefighter at the NV Test Site where I stayed for 5 years and then tested for Las Vegas Fire and got hired on, been there for 30 years and will retire in Sept. but I will volunteer at the FD in the little town I live in to keep my paramedic license active.

Tell your son as 1 combat vet to another, THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AND TO STAY SAFE

[stanwyck]

213. Thanks! n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

216. Childhood gun accidents have been steadily decreasing for a long time.

[hedgehog]

214. "That can't be no combat man. He's lookin' fer a fight!"

[piratefish08]

13. oh, this should end well.........

[kestrel91316]

15. We need to have liberal counterprotestors show up in greater numbers than the terrorists.

On second thought, if we are seriously concerned about violence that doesn't make sense, lol. Nevermind.

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

19. The model of male manhood needs some adjustment . . .

too strong a connection, it seems, between penis and violence --

and gun in the middle!

The original intent of Mother's Day was anti-war --

I'd love to see us renew that message and that men might work also

to turn Father's Day into an anti-war day . . . ?

[Bosso 63]

31. I think that "connection" is a source of many of our problems.

[Emit]

44. lol!

so funny! :rofl:

[dana_b]

153. ha! very good n/t

[NAO]

18. Will they be serving alcohol too? -nt

[safeinOhio]

20. Orley Tates says it's all legal and

she represent them in court.

[kentuck]

21. Something very disturbing this way comes....

I think the President should have the National Guard on notice. Any person that marches to Washington with their guns should be put into a "free speech zone", aka George W Bush, or they should be arrested.
Where is the FBI?

How can these people throw bricks thru windows of Congresspeople and threaten the lives of their children and not be arrested? This is anarchy. This cannot be permitted.

Otherwise, it will create much more dangerous situations in the future. The law must make a stand against these threatening criminals that are using "politics" as an excuse for violence. Mr Attorney General, let them know ahead of time that they cannot march on Washington with guns. That is not civil disobedience. That is criminal. That is treason.

[MUAD_DIB]

45. I'm not sure that you can just show up with a gun registered in a different

state, now can you...and in or around or near D.C.?

[ManiacJoe]

222. Extremely few states/cities require firearms to be registered.

[defendandprotect]

22. And while our government is completely threatened somehow by anti-war protesters . . .

right wing nuts with guns will be welcomed!!!

:eyes:

[peacebird]

23. okay - these folks are crazy - from their website:

http://billstclair.com/blog/19_april_2010_bring_your_sidearms_and_longarms_to_the_banks_of_the_potomac.html

19 April 2010: Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms To The Banks of the Potomac
Submitted by Bill St. Clair on Tue, 2010-03-09 06:15.
Concerned American at Western Rifle Shooters - an invitation to the 19 April, 2010 Restore the Constitution armed rally at Ft. Hunt National Park, VA, just across the Potomac from Washington, DC. Mike Vanderboegh and Stewart Rhodes will be among the speakers. The email notifying me of this post said that I previously referred to this event as "another Bonus March". Well, I hope I was wrong, and everything remains peaceful. Though it can't be another Bonus March. The good guys will be armed this time.


How the organizer intends to dress for the event


:wtf:
"I hope I was wrong and everything remains peaceful . Though it can't be another Bonus March. The good guys will be armed this time."

:wtf:

[defendandprotect]

70. GOP/NRA has gotten what they wanted all along . . .

[tridim]

24. This will backfire, no pun intended..

Because all of the crazy will be televised on CSPAN.

[rhett o rick]

26. Someone should go and throw a bunch of firecrackers into the group and see how

many shot each other.

[Forkboy]

29. Sounds like an event not to be missed.

Unless you're sane, of course. :)

[gordianot]

30. I predicted to a few friends that come April 19th the nutcases will put on a show.

Sounds like a good day to stay home.

[arcadian]

33. What If somebody tried to disarm one of these nuts walking around the monuments?

A citizen who was fearful for their life?

[AnnieBW]

34. Great. My husband and I are Federal Employees

I'm afraid that someone's gonna go Timmy McVeigh on that day.

:hide:

[Bluebear]

38. It is the anniversary.

[Dappleganger]

58. If they follow the law, at this time there is no open or concealed carrying of handguns

in DC. You should be fine unless someone decides to draw outside the lines.

[AnnieBW]

79. Neither of us work in DC

We're both in the Maryland suburbs, where there is no concealed carry. In VA, it's a different story. I can see them going McVeigh on some building there.

I'll be giving our FPS guys a big THANK YOU that day. More than usual.

[annabanana]

202. This rally is scheduled for VIRGINIA, not DC

Here's the lunatic's site:

http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/about/

Scope:
4-19-10 rally at Gravelly Point Park, Virginia 10:30AM to 5 pm, although park hours are from 8 AM to dark. Gravelly Point is, based on research so far, the closest carry-legal location to DC, although Ft. Hunt will need to be the initial staging area and rendesvous point. Participants can arrive at Ft. Hunt as early as 9AM to get started, and the main speaking program will begin at 10AM, as the convoys begin going back and forth between Ft. Hunt and Gravelly Point. See home blog page for latest updates.

Target Audience:
Unlike traditional protest rallies, the primary target audience of this rally will be those who already support the idea that the constitution needs restoring. If you’re reading this and you’re generally supportive so far, but probably won’t make the effort to attend, YOU are the primary target audience. Why target mainly those who already agree with you? To show that it can, in fact, be done and to improve our ability to hold a bigger, SECOND “Restore the Constitution” rally if any of us chose to do so.

Objective:
1. Unite as many as will come to the edge of Washington, D.C. to rally in support and defense of the Constitution of the United States of America and to stand, armed and united, with our brothers and sisters delivering the same basic message to our servant politicians in DC and in the state capitals.
2. Exercise our God given rights to assembly and freedom of speech (First Amendment) while simultaneously exercising the right to keep and bear arms.

This is such a good idea. . . .

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

63. You're safe the OP is confused.

[wordpix]

143. don't go with Dave's propaganda

thread summary:

1) there are rules for the rally like no unlawful guns, per Dick Armey

2) there is this warning in the website's FAQ:

...because Washington DC's overly oppressive laws prohibit carrying firearms in public, We cannot promote or condone carrying firearms at the march in Washington DC (DON'T DO IT!) However, if not prohibited by law at any of our satellite marches, we fully support the peaceful carrying of arms.

3) There is a satellite rally at a nearby VA national park where open carry is apparently fine

4) There is a good chance some gun advocates will be carrying on the Mall, even though it's illegal. I keep asking, "Who's checking?" but Dave has not tried to answer.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

184. I've answered you at least twice. You just don't like the answer.

The DC and Park Police are responsible for checking. They can search anyone at the rally who gives them probable cause.

[hex29a]

177. If you see a guy with a Ryder truck strapped to his belt,

run away!

[Posteritatis]

35. With or without guns? The site explicitly says not to take them to DC. (nt)

[wordpix]

36. rule one is "no unlawful possession of firearms." That is not "no firearms"

And BTW---who is checking on the lawful possession? :shrug: And who is checking on the other rules? And enforcing them?

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/

D.C. Second Amendment March Rules and Code of Conduct

1. NO UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARMS.

2. If you do not intend to comply with item #1, do not attend.

3. It is each attendee's own personal responsibility to be familiar with the firearm laws in the areas in which he/she will be traveling.

4. Please be courteous to everyone you encounter, including D.C. police and National Park Service rangers.

5. Please be sure to dispose of all trash. Let's strive to leave the grounds in better condition than when we arrive.

6. If you have any concerns while at the event, please notify a volunteer or event organizer immediately.

7. Your attendance at Second Amendment March indicates your intent to comply with these rules/code of conduct and all local and federal laws.

[Scurrilous]

76. 5. Please be sure to dispose of all trash.

So they'll be disposing of each other?

Great! :thumbsup:

[wordpix]

111. hahahah

[Sebastian Doyle]

148. That's what the guns are for

:evilgrin:

[libnnc]

40. "Open Carry" usually refers to guns.

Does it not?

[Posteritatis]

41. The march site says in bold, highlighted words not to bring them to DC. (nt)

[wordpix]

51. I've posted the rules straight from the website and you're wrong

[Posteritatis]

59. No, I'm not.

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/faqs

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

103. At least you admit you are wrong downthread.

[wordpix]

114. wishful thinking on your part

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

117. Here it is. We'll let people make up their own minds.

wordpix (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-24-10 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #62
75. OK, fine print tells rally goers DC doesn't allow open carry but there's always concealed carry
So they'll put their firearms under their clothes.

Another point: Note the organizers do not put this information up front, on the home page or in the Rules. I have gone to several websites to get information and provide it here and this is the first time I've seen this "warning." It's hard to find this little gem---how come?

[metalbot]

227. You think they're going to commit felonies?

Carrying a concealed weapon in DC is a felony, and the resulting arrest would strip the arrestee of the right to bear firearms forever. I don't doubt that some nutbag probably will carry concealed in DC, but this is going to be the exception rather than the rule...

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

232. To whom are you referring?

[Caliman73]

210. while I think that the idea of the marches is stupid....

I don't understand why you are continuing to sound off on the rules as if they are being used to incite illegal activity. It is EVERY firearm owner's responsibility to know the laws in whichever jurisdiction they plan to have their firearm. Those are the rules. The rules you posted reiterate that and make sure to state that people need to know and follow the laws where they plan to be.

Instead of harping on the rules why not focus on the message that these organizers are sending by even having a stupid march involving firearms. A million people protesting without firearms is a powerful message. 2 people protesting with firearms is a threat. It isn't the rules that are the problem, it is the premise of the rally.

[libnnc]

52. "1. NO UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARMS."

Says "NO UNLAWFUL POSSESSION" -- DOES NOT SAY NO POSSESSION

[wordpix]

54. my point exactly---there will be plenty of firearms

[libnnc]

55. I know. Poster does not understand what he is reading...

:eyes:

[Posteritatis]

67. Actually, he's the only one in this whole subthread so far that does.

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/faqs

[Posteritatis]

62. Elsewhere in the site, "no possession" is in fact specified

Put away the caps lock and read the site's FAQ. The only way you could possibly miss it is by actively trying.

[wordpix]

53. Rule #3: "...be familiar with the firearm laws in the areas in which he/she will be traveling."

I don't think that would be a rule if people weren't planning to carry firearms.

sheesh

[Posteritatis]

60. Keep reading

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/faqs

[Dappleganger]

68. If they're from out of town, they may run into some problems.

Virginia should be fine, they have reciprocity permits with many states.
Maryland, however does not. They are very restrictive even with how you carry in your car. When I drive through there next week I'll have to adjust accordingly since I carry on trips.

I don't carry in DC because we go into so many Federal buildings. There's a couple other things I carry which are perfectly legal for self-defense.

[wordpix]

73. OK, fine print tells rally goers DC doesn't allow open carry but there's always concealed carry

So they'll put their firearms under their clothes.

Another point: Note the organizers do not put this information up front, on the home page or in the Rules. I have gone to several websites to get information and provide it here and this is the first time I've seen this "warning." It's hard to find this little gem---how come?

[libnnc]

77. 'zactly. It isn't there "in bold print"

For. A. Reason.

Freaks want to stir shit up.

[Posteritatis]

80. I'd hardly call the FAQ page hard to find. (nt)

[Dappleganger]

120. dupe

[Dappleganger]

121. Listen, ANY person can try to conceal a weapon...

Bad guys usually do. Good guys follow the law.
If they go into Federal buildings there will be extra screening there (they know it's April 19th too).

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

66. You are confusing Virginia and the National Mall.

[wordpix]

152. you think it's fine for an armed gang to take over a small national park 12 mi. from the Mall?

:crazy: just askin

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

185. It's legal. Obama signed it into law. Take it up with him.

[Caliman73]

211. You have to use logic...

I live in California. I have the right to possess firearms but I have to follow the laws of the state, the county, and the city in which I possess the firearm. I can POSSESS and fire a firearm at the legally sanctioned range. Understand? I can POSSESS the firearm lawfully at the range. Lawful, correct? The moment I get off the range, I have to put my firearm in a locked container to transport. If I do not, then I am engaging in UNLAWFUL possession. It is up to me to understand those laws otherwise I could be arrested and have my firearms confiscated.

The people planning the rallies are telling the people attending that they have to know where they can and cannot carry their firearms. They can legally carry in the park in VA, they cannot legally carry in Washington DC or surrounding jurisdictions. If any participant carries in DC and is seen by police, that person will be arrested and his firearm confiscated.

There are plenty of reasons to say that this idea is stupid. You are attacking this rallies on the only issue for which they have a valid point.

[wordpix]

151. and gun nuts always follow the rules. They're bringing their guns to a VA national park nearby

about 12 mi from DC. Don't tell me some of these folks won't make the trip to the Mall, too.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163769.0

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
19 April 2010: Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms To The Banks of the Potomac

As it stands now, is how I plan on attending the Restore the Constitution rally on 4-19 at Ft. Hunt and Gravelly Parks.

Pistol loaded, openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear. Bandoleer of magazines containing ammo. All in accordance with rules below. Please note that guidelines below are subject to final coordination with the Department of the Interior:

Participants and attendees are expected to know and abide by all applicable state and federal firearms laws. None of the information provided below is legal advice, and no attorney-client relationship is created by reading or relying upon this information. If you have questions, then you are expected to know the applicable state and federal firearms laws before attending the event.

Anyone prohibited from possessing a firearm by state or federal law may not possess a firearm at this event.

Participants and attendees may not bring any firearm prohibited by state or federal law.

1. ALL rifles and shotguns carried by participants at this event are to be unloaded (chamber empty, no magazine inserted, no ammo inside the rifle or shotgun, no ammo touching the rifle or shotgun whatsoever) and slung to the rear or to the side, away from the hands.

Although the law does allow for carry of some types of loaded rifles and some types of shotguns in some circumstances, our guidelines are simpler and more strict due to the relative novelty of this event and the high level of attention it is likely to receive from law enforcement, government, and the media.

2. While we do ask that your rifles and shotguns be unloaded, you are perfectly welcome to carry ammunition and loaded magazines on your person if you so choose, so long as no magazines are actually inserted into rifles and so long as you are not prohibited from owning a firearm.

3. Open carry of a loaded pistol is allowed.

Concealed carry of a pistol is allowed for those with a valid Virginia concealed handgun permit or a concealed handgun permit from a state for which Virginia allows concealed carry in Virginia (See the Virginia State Police’s website for a list of those states; we do not vouch for the authenticity or accuracy of that list).

Anyone carrying their pistol openly or concealed cannot have in it a magazine capable of holding over 20 rounds and cannot have a pistol designed to accept a silencer or suppressor.

Participants and attendees are required to keep all pistols holstered. Participants and attendees are required to keep all rifles/shotguns slung over their shoulder, muzzle-down, unloaded, with the safety on, and with no magazine inserted. Brandishing of firearms is prohibited by Virginia law. Under Virginia Code Section 18.2-282, it is unlawful for any person to (a) point, hold, or brandish any firearm in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or (b) hold a firearm in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another being shot or injured. Do not engage in any horseplay, demonstration of firing positions, or exchange of or other handling of firearms at Fort Hunt, Gravelly Park, or any other location or vehicle of transportation associated with this event.

By federal law, firearms are prohibited in federal facilities (defined by federal law as a building or part thereof owned or leased by the federal government, where federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties).

Do not transport a loaded rifle or shotgun in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway during this event.

Participants and attendees are not to consume, possess, or be under the influence of alcohol or illegal substances at this event.

Again, these guidelines are, as of now, subject to final coordination with the Department of the Interior.

More info asap.

Spread the word!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

164. Is that an example of the paranoia deep in this thread?

[LibertyLover]

172. In some places I think it also means that you can walk around

with an adult beverage in your hand, like on Bourbon Street in New Orleans with drinks in go-cups, but generally I think you are safe in assuming it means guns first and not adult beverages.

[Dappleganger]

61. At this time there is no open or concealed carrying of handguns in DC.

Unless one of the people decides to do their own thing, you'll be fine.

The only thing which bothers me about this event is the date of April 19, and absolutely nothing else.

[wordpix]

89. Who's checking on the guns, concealed or not, unlawful or not, at this rally?

[wordpix]

93. and who's checking on the drugs and alcohol?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

186. That is also the responsibility of the DC and Park Police.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

99. That's the responsibility of the DC and Park Police.

[Dappleganger]

110. Yep.

[wordpix]

119. well if the Inauguration was an example, there were holes in security

I'm not going to get specific, but trust me, I would not be putting my life in these guys' hands if it came to a mass scene of confusion and gun shooting.

[Dappleganger]

124. Treat the event as if you're going into any other major city.

Be smart, don't act like a victim.

If you are really that uncomfortable being out in public with that many white people, then stay at home for crissakes.

[Bluebear]

37. It's on the 15th anniversary of the Murrah building massacre. They must be celebrating the date.

[wordpix]

43. Rachel called Apr. 19 akin to "Christmas Day" for the open carry nuts

[cowman]

195. If that's

what Rachael thinks of law abiding citizens who exercise their RKBA then she is a total ass by labeling all of us as nuts. In my state it is perfectly legal to open carry a loaded gun and we have a shall issue CCW system here and yes I have a CCW, as do 6 million other law abiding citizens.

There are probably more Dem CCW holders than freepers because we are more sane

[defendandprotect]

71. And dumb enough . . .

to believe that McVeigh actually pulled that off -- !!

[slackmaster]

203. Or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_19

[Bluebear]

221. defending them now, are ya? /ignore

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

223. Ignore, the last bastion of the small minded.

[Bluebear]

237. and a fuck you and ignore as well at long last, poser

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

239. Wow, nobody saw that coming!

:rofl: Thanks for proving my point.

[slackmaster]

231. No, just trying to be rational and logical

You should try it some time.

[kenny blankenship]

42. Time to schedule military exercise for DC area- tanks, infantry,APCs, helicopter gunships, the works

Show them the true smallness of what they carry.

[wordpix]

47. good idea and besides, some of that might be needed if these nuts try to storm the Capitol

or the WH

[AsahinaKimi]

50. Does a person need to carry a license with them to carry a weapon?

If so, what happens if they left it home? Fine? Jail time? Are they allowed to carry it into another state?

[wordpix]

57. who knows how these idiots plan to enforce their rules?

You can't fly a plane over the WH or Capitol, but you can bring firearms and ammo to the National Mall. How's that for security?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

69. Actually you are just very confused.

[arcadian]

72. I knew somebody would be along to defend them

[wordpix]

75. note he doesn't say how I'm confused---maybe because I've read all the websites?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

82. You are confusing Virginia and the National Mall. It's simple.

[wordpix]

83. self delete

[wordpix]

85. excuse me? I'm not confusing these at all and I live in DC!

I certainly know the difference between a Va national park and the National Mall. geesh

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

88. So it's just your reading comprehension that is lacking. It's okay.

[arcadian]

87. Have you been to Fort Hunt? I have.

it's directly across from Fort Washington in Maryland. Used to be an old coast artillery fort. During WWII it was the site of an OSS base where they interrogated captured prisoners. I know Fort Hunt.

[wordpix]

90. so, who cares? what's your point?

[arcadian]

92. Great attitude

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

91. I lived in Oxon Hill for years and I was a patient at Walter Reed for many months.

I'm quite familiar with the area.

[wordpix]

95. but what does that have to do with this rally?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

96. I was asked a question. I responded. That's how it works.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

187. You just forgot that FAQ's page that disproved your entire premise.

[MUAD_DIB]

78. Are you planning to be at the rally?

:evilgrin:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

86. After the Heller decision and the upcoming McDonald decision there is nothing to rally about.

The 2nd Amendment is in great shape for at least the next 50 years. I'll be dead long before then.

[Dappleganger]

116. Exactly.

The only thing to rally about now would be to improve your individual states' laws, and since I'm very happy with my state laws then there's nothing to do.

[Dappleganger]

113. There is NO concealed or open carrying of handguns in DC

I really think that you're worrying too much about nothing.

[AsahinaKimi]

135. I am not worried.. I don't own a handgun

I just wanted to know what that law was.. but if you say no Weapons allowed in DC, then I think those Freepers will be in for a big surprise if they show up with theirs.

Assuming you are correct about the No weapons policy in DC.

[Dappleganger]

150. It's probably safe to bet that none of them

will have a DC permit. DC does not have reciprocal laws with other states, either.

[AsahinaKimi]

154. Well it might be interesting

If a lot of Teabaggers with weapons get tossed in Jail, and had to turn over their weapons to the police. Not sure they would get them back, but again, I don't know the law. Still, hearing that some 80 or 90 Teabaggers were arrested might be rather amusing.

[safeinOhio]

56. They might make it into

a first Amendment rally too. Wear their hooded sheets.

[one_voice]

64. Jesus H. Christ on rubber crutches...

This is a recipe for disaster. These people think Timothy McVeigh is a hero. Even if nothing jumps off that day, I believe it won't be long after. All the anti-government talk and the pumping of their chests that will be done will lead to something.

I've been worried for a while now that we're going to see "big" violence. First we had those string of shootings..churches, Pittsburgh..etc. And it's escalated since then. And it's not just bloggers/radio/tv hosts spewing this kind of hateful stuff, it's main stream politicians.

My dad (73yrs old) lived in Alabama,(a black man) marched for civil rights, he tells stories that make my blood run cold. And he said the same things he felt then (uneasiness, "electricity in the air" etc..) he's feeling now. He says things are ready to boil over, he's seen it before. He has excellent instincts, and it scares me when he talks about it.

I really hope his instincts are wrong on this....though I don't ever remember a time that's he's been wrong.

[MUAD_DIB]

74. I can imagine that the D.C. Police, FBI and others will be on "Special" alert

when the crazies come to town.

The Officers that will be around, and the ones you won't see prolly won't like the idea of a group of morans with weapons.


I also hope that your dad's instincts are assuaged.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. Since it's illegal to carry openly or concealed in DC without a permit, it shouldn't be an issue.

[wordpix]

97. Fire Medic, it's just not a good idea ---guns should be left at home for a Nat. Mall rally

period. And I don't see that on the website except for the rather weak, "DC gun law" statement under FAQ, which states only something about open carry, and not conceal carry.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

101. Concealed carry would be illegal possession, which is specifically forbidden.

[wordpix]

125. Hello---who is checking?

[Dappleganger]

132. Are you calling for illegal personal searches of everyone on the Mall?

I just know you don't wanna go there.

[wordpix]

134. NO - and you're right, I don't want to go there

[Dappleganger]

136. Relax...they won't be all over the Mall.

They have their rally spot and aren't even marching. Personally I don't want to hear their crap and the Mall is big enough to find plenty of other space to enjoy.

And enjoy it! We're taking a soccer ball next week like we used to when the kids were little. :)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

162. As I already said The DC and Park Police can search anyone as long as they have probable cause.

[wordpix]

81. just look at those videos of Rep. John Lewis et al. walking the gauntlet of protesters last wkend

I was at the Capitol that day (outside) and it was one scary group.

[Neurotica]

219. As a Northern VA resident, this concerns me to no end

I monitor the local RW blogs on a daily basis, and the rhetoric has significantly increased. People talking about "civil war" and an "end of the republic." They are very angry. They look at how (in their view) our AG Cuccinelli is standing up to the federal govt (suing the EPA, suing over the health care law) and they applaud.

I hope your dad is wrong, too.

[wordpix]

243. unfortunately, VA gun laws are lax---go to the Brady Campaign site & look up VA laws

VA ranks a whopping 17% on gun safety laws :sarcasm:

[Swamp Rat]

84. A couple of accidental discharges or shots fired by drunks will turn their rally into a bloody mess.

THEIR blood.

[HopeHoops]

98. Yeah, THAT should end well.

:sarcasm:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

102. Open carry in DC is illegal and CCW is nearly non-existent

DC does not allow the open carry of firearms. Period.
DC only allows DC-licensed permit holders to carry concealed.

DC CCW permits are EXTREMELY difficult to get, are valid for 1yr, and you must cite good reason on the application. Even then, the issuance is completely discretionary and rarely ever granted. DC is NOT a "shall-issue" jurisdiction and will not honor out of state permits either. By far one of the most difficult ccw permits to acquire in america.

Given the information about CCW and Open Carry, coupled with rule #1 of the march... It's safe to say few, if any, firearms will be present. None will be visible. No breaking of ANY laws is being promoted.

Take a chill-pill, already. :eyes:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

104. But it was so much better when people were making idiotic assumptions.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

105. Sorry to bust up your shooting gallery, brah. (n/t)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

107. No worries. It was fun while it lasted.

[wordpix]

106. under the present circumstances of current Kristallnacht in the US,

I would say that DC police and national mall security should be on high alert. Chilling would be dumb.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

109. He was telling you to take a valium and breath into a paper bag.

Calm down sister it will be okay.

[wordpix]

126. I know what he was saying---but I love our National Mall

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

241. I love our National Mall as well.

[wordpix]

244. and I love our national parks and don't want to see one swarming with guns

[Brickbat]

168. Kristallnacht? Come on.

[wordpix]

108. "CCW is nearly non-existent"---have you ever lived in DC? If you did,

you would never make that statement. This city is awash in guns and we don't need anymore on the Mall or streets.

Or in a nearby national park, either.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

112. When did DC start giving out so many CCW permits?

[Dappleganger]

127. I guess the bad guys are all CCW these days.

Who knows?

The paranoia in this thread is thick.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

163. Criminals don't worry about laws and permits.

In regards to the paranoia, pot meet kettle.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

118. Here's a hint:

Them guns you're complaining about... They're not being legally carried.
Generally speaking, the lawfully compliant people who are armed are not the problem.

No amount of laws will deter criminals and strong-willed people from breaking the law.
"CCW" is generally considered to mean the lawful carrying of concealed firearms.

[wordpix]

122. and that is the point I've been making in this thread---who is enforcing Dick Armey's rules?

Yeah, yeah, it's DC police. You think they'll be able to control a crowd if some guns go off and shooting begins?

Only if they're prepared for the worst.

At the Inauguration, they weren't.

[Dappleganger]

129. Most major cities on the east coast aren't.

DC is no different.

Honey, I'm going to be going to stay in Philly just down the street from the location of last weekend's 1,000 teenager flash mob and I'm not scared. Philly police are pretty damn useless there, too.

[metalbot]

228. Impossible! DC has the strictest gun laws in the country

I don't see how DC could be awash in guns. They have laws to prevent that.

Surely you aren't suggesting that gun control laws don't work?

[NC_Nurse]

115. With any luck, they'll all shoot each other. Problem solved.

[Swamp Rat]

123. Things could work out just fine for America, after they donate their blood to the Tree of Liberty.

:)

[wordpix]

128. lol, a little comic relief, thanks!

[Swamp Rat]

138. Jus' whistling Dixie past their graveyard...

:evilgrin:

[NC_Nurse]

139. Exactly. Lovely graphic as usual Swamp Rat.

:-)

[depakid]

155. One of these days we're going to see something like that...

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

165. and you are giddy with anticipation. Disgusting!

[Paladin]

178. Oh, Please.

"Disgusting!" huffs the guy who's posted and continues to post dozens and dozens and dozens of detailed shooting reports down in the Gungeon, to the lip-smacking delight of your fellow gun militants. Where do you get off criticizing ANYONE for wallowing in gun-related violence?

Are you going to be at this little get-together, Dave? Take a little break from your non-stop shitting on Democrats and mingle with all those open-carriers? Give us a full report if you do, OK?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

182. I see a difference between self defense shootings and criminal activity.

I'm slightly surprised that you aren't intelligent enough to make that distinction.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

217. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Jack Sprat]

130. Heck, it would be great fun

to take a bag of fireworks and light up a whole package in the middle of that crowd. Can you imagine? After I lit it up, I would sprint for cover.

[mindwalker_i]

131. We should show up with a bag full of corks (n/t)

[Contrary1]

133. I guess carrying guns legally is supposed to scare us?

One of these clowns is going to go off script, and that will ruin the entire show.

[spanone]

137. what are they bitchin' about? they got their guns..

[arcadian]

145. I think that's their point

They want the cops to take away their guns so they can say, "Look! the cops took away our guns!"

[wordpix]

245. exactly! and see just how lax some of the gun laws are, like VA's

The Brady Campaign website has state information and it's ALARMING.

[my2sense]

Well, if something pops off it will be a self fulfilling prophecy -

They've been claiming the feds were planing to implement martial law with detention camps for awhile. I hope those camps are set up near Washington.

[my2sense]

140. Well, if something pops off it will be a self fulfilling prophecy -

They've been claiming the feds were planing to implement martial law with detention camps for awhile. I hope those camps are set up near Washington.

[progressoid]

141. Ugh. I know one or two people that would love to attend.

:banghead:

[old mark]

142. A rally like this has been in the planning stage for several years, and has

never gone much beyond the talking stage. It might actually happen this year if it gets financial backing from Fox or another RW deep pocket.

FWIW, OP - you don't do "background checks" on people who already OWN guns - it's done when you buy a gun.

Many of these people routinely carry a gun all the time anyway, all they are doing is getting together in the same place-really not that big a deal.

I have carried a gun for over 15 years and I'm not going...I probably won't like the company very much.
If Democrats held a similar pro gun rally, I'd be there for sure.
And all my signs would be spelled corectly.

mark

[wordpix]

147. I didn't say anything about background check---I asked who's checking to make sure the "rules"

are followed?

The answer is, no one.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

156. Post #0: "Who's doing the background checks on THAT?" (n/t)

[wordpix]

158. I used the wrong wording---stand corrected ---I meant checking on those who might be carrying

[Dappleganger]

159. wordpix, you already stated earlier that you didn't

want to 'go there' about illegal searches of everyone at the Mall. These are adults who have a right to assemble, they've been in contact with the park service and DC police already about their location (they changed from a march to just an assembly with speakers in one area of the Mall).

You cannot just go search people willy-nilly out there because you think they might be carrying unless there is just cause. Even if every single one of the demonstrators followed the law in not carrying, who's to say some other crazed maniac doesn't bring a gun to the Mall and try something on their own? Those demonstrators and organizers obviously have no control over that.

[wordpix]

247. of course they have the right to assemble, but assemble with guns in a national park?

Yeah, yeah, I know it's the law but I don't like it and if they can open carry at a nat. park, I can bitch on a blog.

:evilgrin:

[sabrina 1]

144. So why are the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Seems to me the terror is right here. Threatening members of Congress, marching on DC with weapons. Good thing they're not Muslims or we'd have something to worry about.

What a farce the whole WOT is. Our Health Care system kills more Americans than any terrorist could dream of, and with these rightwing wackos whose heroes include Timothy McVeigh, I don't think foreign terrorists war what we have to worry about.

[joe black]

174. Maybe we could get them to trade places.

Everyone would be happy, the GI'S come home and the tuff guys can shoot'em up over in Iraq and pretend they're the 101st airborne.

[Ozymanithrax]

146. Fortunatly for these folk, Blackjack Pershing will not be able to attend.

[LibertyLover]

173. And Doug MacArthur, Georgie Patton and Ike Eisenhower aren't available either.

n/t

[wordpix]

149. and further, I think armed gangs with ammo do not belong in national parks, either

especially one so close to the Capitol.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163769.0

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
19 April 2010: Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms To The Banks of the Potomac

As it stands now, is how I plan on attending the Restore the Constitution rally on 4-19 at Ft. Hunt and Gravelly Parks.

Pistol loaded, openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear. Bandoleer of magazines containing ammo. All in accordance with rules below. Please note that guidelines below are subject to final coordination with the Department of the Interior:

Participants and attendees are expected to know and abide by all applicable state and federal firearms laws. None of the information provided below is legal advice, and no attorney-client relationship is created by reading or relying upon this information. If you have questions, then you are expected to know the applicable state and federal firearms laws before attending the event.

Anyone prohibited from possessing a firearm by state or federal law may not possess a firearm at this event.

Participants and attendees may not bring any firearm prohibited by state or federal law.

1. ALL rifles and shotguns carried by participants at this event are to be unloaded (chamber empty, no magazine inserted, no ammo inside the rifle or shotgun, no ammo touching the rifle or shotgun whatsoever) and slung to the rear or to the side, away from the hands.

Although the law does allow for carry of some types of loaded rifles and some types of shotguns in some circumstances, our guidelines are simpler and more strict due to the relative novelty of this event and the high level of attention it is likely to receive from law enforcement, government, and the media.

2. While we do ask that your rifles and shotguns be unloaded, you are perfectly welcome to carry ammunition and loaded magazines on your person if you so choose, so long as no magazines are actually inserted into rifles and so long as you are not prohibited from owning a firearm.

3. Open carry of a loaded pistol is allowed.

Concealed carry of a pistol is allowed for those with a valid Virginia concealed handgun permit or a concealed handgun permit from a state for which Virginia allows concealed carry in Virginia (See the Virginia State Police’s website for a list of those states; we do not vouch for the authenticity or accuracy of that list).

Anyone carrying their pistol openly or concealed cannot have in it a magazine capable of holding over 20 rounds and cannot have a pistol designed to accept a silencer or suppressor.

Participants and attendees are required to keep all pistols holstered. Participants and attendees are required to keep all rifles/shotguns slung over their shoulder, muzzle-down, unloaded, with the safety on, and with no magazine inserted. Brandishing of firearms is prohibited by Virginia law. Under Virginia Code Section 18.2-282, it is unlawful for any person to (a) point, hold, or brandish any firearm in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or (b) hold a firearm in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another being shot or injured. Do not engage in any horseplay, demonstration of firing positions, or exchange of or other handling of firearms at Fort Hunt, Gravelly Park, or any other location or vehicle of transportation associated with this event.

By federal law, firearms are prohibited in federal facilities (defined by federal law as a building or part thereof owned or leased by the federal government, where federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties).

Do not transport a loaded rifle or shotgun in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway during this event.

Participants and attendees are not to consume, possess, or be under the influence of alcohol or illegal substances at this event.

Again, these guidelines are, as of now, subject to final coordination with the Department of the Interior.

More info asap.

Spread the word!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

167. President Obama signed it in to law. Take it up with him.

[Winterblues]

160. Won't be long before they are shooting themselves.

They are just very unhappy people and hardly need any excuse to start blasting...Won't surprise me one bit if one tea bagger side starts blasting other tea baggers and a bunch of them are shot.. These people are nuts.. They have lost any grip on reality they ever once might have had.

[LeftHander]

161. They probably invited Obama to address the gathering.....

:o/

[DCBob]

166. Someone should release about 100 rabbits in the middle of mall..

These morans wont be able to resist blasting away and will hopefully blow each other to bits.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

183. Except carrying guns on the National Mall is illegal to almost everyone.

[LibertyLover]

169. Oh lovely -

That's a Monday and a work day for me. That means I'll be traveling on the Metro with these tourons (a National Park Service term of art for a certain type of patron - tourist + moron). I'm not particularly happy about this. Maybe I should carry my husband's 3 banded musket that he used in black powder shooting competitions with me that day? The gods know that piece of firepower is big and heavy and definitely not concealable.

[bamacrat]

170. Why? no one in the Obama administration has even mentioned guns.

This is stupid. Lets have a 5th Amendment march, let them no that we will not bow to their will and self incriminate. This is retarded.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

189. It is ironic. Especially since Obama signed the law that allows carry in National Parks.

[wordpix]

248. that was idiotic

[ManiacJoe]

252. Care to support your claim?

[DainBramaged]

171. Yup, they will be protecting us from the bad guys that day you betcha

assholes


They love their guns more than anything else, and because they have no one to love them.


assholes

[The Genealogist]

188. Someone better be watching them

As long as they do nothing illegal, fine, let them have their little kaffeeklatsch. However, considering the anniversary of OKC, and the recent ratcheting up from nasty rhetoric to pure hate speech and even attacks on Govt offices, I hope someone will be paying pretty damned close attention to what goes on.

[Initech]

190. This will end well.

:sarcasm:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

201. They need to put their guns away they'll only hurt themselves if they keep it up. Elections have...

consequences so does their hysterics. It wouldn't be as bad but they actually have more gun rights than ever.

[Cal Carpenter]

206. Why do they have to push their 'agenda' in our faces

:rofl:

Why am I having visions of RWers complaining about 'teh gays' shoving their agendas in everyone's faces - when 'teh gays' have actual rights to fight for?

Whereas there is an amendment to protect this right to have a gun (even a law specifically for national parks, where they are about to gather, passed and signed by the congress and president currently in office, no?), there is no significant effort to take anyone's guns away, and no rational reason to think that there will be anytime soon, yet they feel the need to do this?

I know it's not funny but it's making me laugh because it's such weird back-ass-wards projection or something.

:crazy:

[pipi_k]

212. Sooooo....how illegal (and difficult) would it be

for someone to fly around above the crowd and drop boiling oil on them all?

Just wondering....


:evilgrin:

[mariawr]

215. Good. Get them in one place and fence it in. nt

[mstinamotorcity]

230. Well the r/w incited this s--t

Look all year long since November of '08 I have been listening to these trolls talk that talk about how they want their country back,terrorism,socialism,marxism and every other kind of ism.The ones that they deny are really the ones that are the most evident.Racism and class-ism.These latter is based on money. They have generated peoples fears into this hate frenzy to protect their money and status.They feel that the tea baggers hate people of other ethnic backgrounds more than they hate being poor.
My husband is a hunter and I have nothing against guns. But the fastest way to get them repealed in some way is to cause some problems in D.C. with them.These froot loops with their hate filled talk and their ignorance have nothing to do with the second amendment. That is an excuse to try an intimidate people. I have seen this before only they actually used the dogs an water hoses.And children at a tea party rally I have seen this before only there were sheets and bonfires involved.I hope that if they so decide to choose to act a fool that they look good in those little silver bracelets.And I hope they know they are not the only ones who anticipate warfare. And Sarah Palin that B---H putting target sights on Democratic leaders,I hope that that shit comes back and bites you in your ass.:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

233. Oh no, they incited a rally. Seriously this knee jerk freakout is just ridiculous.

[mstinamotorcity]

234. Yea the kind of rally

that they wish they cuold bring a few hoods and sheets to play dress up.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

240. I would guess a few of them would.

[greencharlie]

235. well...

in July, 1864, Confederate General Jubal Early and 10,000 soldiers assaulted D.C. and it didn't go so well...

Will the Baggers bring their Dixie flags?

[fascisthunter]

236. nice disguise provocateurs

as if you ever gave a damn about the constitution

[DiverDave]

238. This idiots will be dumb enough to start something

I can just see it now, after drinking all day they storm the capitol.

Yeah, this is a good thing to happen on THAT day at THAT place.
And Dave, chill, maybe YOU think you got a handle on it, but I dont think the loonies showing up will be as certain.

[robertpaulsen]

246. Lovely. I can't wait to see the pix of the signs at that rally.

Along with misspellings and other general stupidities, I have a feeling we'll see a few signs commemorating some of the more infamous anniversaries mentioned upthread. Should be a spectacle.

[librechik]

249. dang--where's the Ohio National Guard when you need them

what? They really are asking for it, you know!

[wordpix]

250. who gave this group the title, "militia?"

It's the militia that has the right to bear arms, after all.