It's their version of Kristallnacht....

[PCIntern]

the Nazis were always here...just hiding for 65 years.

[WCGreen]

1. Yep.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8000160&mesg_id=8001672

[PCIntern]

2. Sorry I missed your comment earlier...

woke up to get something to drink....took a look at the Board and got even more upset...scuttling back off to bed now.

[EFerrari]

3. Yep. So, now what?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7997277

It's clearly time to get local and organized.

[era veteran]

4. I was reminded how alike the baggers are with the SA

After Hitler was in power he killed his thugs in ' The night of the long knives'. Look out teabaggers. Maybe some of them could read a book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

[hobbit709]

6. That's the part they don't understand

Once they served their purpose, the party leadership got rid of them because they were "unreliable"

[WeDidIt]

5. "Kristallnacht" was posted ALL OVER the Freeper thread

that was started when the glass breaking stories broke.

They know what the fuck they're doing and the Nazi leanings of the Freepers is becoming more evident every day.

They're not afraid of the Nazi label any more.

[era veteran]

15. Because THEY are NAZI's

[melm00se]

7. bad comparison

How many died during Kristallnacht?

91

Arrests?

25,000 - 30,000

Businesses destroyed?

6,000 - 7,000



this comparison is not only hyperbole but also offensive to those who lived thru (and died in) it.

[Solomon]

8. Right. Let's wait until 92 people die before we say anything.

Good point. :sarcasm:

[melm00se]

9. no, not at all,

but this is like calling a canoe a yacht.

the comparison is just not there.

[joeybee12]

14. I agree with you...n/t

[Orsino]

10. Crystal Lite Nacht

Furtive, and hidden behind barely-plausible deniability.

[Prism]

11. I don't think so. We need to tone down the reactive hysteria.

I know the right-wing is currently losing their minds, but the Nazi comparisons are getting to be a bit much. The American Right is quite bad enough on their own terms. We don't need this kind of embellishment to capably point out their flaws and dangers.

For one thing, the Nazi party in Germany held all the power. The crack down on Jews came with hearty government endorsement. It wasn't only smashing windows. They rounded up as many as 30,000 Jews and placed them in camps and burned hundreds of synagogues to the ground It was a coordinated, government-sponsored attack against a minority. Goebbels was behind much of the Kristallnacht activities.

What we have right now, are a bunch of fringe lunatics who need to be on some kind of watch list. They do not have the force of government behind them. They do not have the U.S. Military or Department of Homeland Security helping them out. They are not rounding up tens of thousands of people and sending them to concentration camps.

It's important to understand history. Words and events have meaning. The American right-wing is full of hatred right now, hatred and feelings of impotence. That is a dangerous combination, and we must be very vigilant in clamping down on any kind of violence wherever it erupts. Personally, I want to see the agitators arrested for incitement to violence.

But comparing a bunch of nutters on the American Right to the organized pogroms of Nazi Germany is not only out of all historical context, it actually diminishes the effectiveness of the argument. The more disproportionately hysterical people get, the easier they are to dismiss.

Point out the real dangers here, not the odd rhetorical slide towards "Zomg, it's just like what led to the Holocaust!"

No. It isn't.

[Caretha]

12. You are absolutely correct

And I agree with your solutions. We need less hyperbole and more common sense.

Meantime, I am worried that someone is going to die or get hurt before the tide changes.

[Prism]

13. People die to this hatred every day.

Racial minorities, LGBTers, and women have always been subject to violence by the deranged elements of the Right. There are no shortage of victims. I think what's really starting to capture everyone's attention is how that hatred is organizing. It has gone from a scattered, amorphous, generalized sentiment in some quarters to a coalescing force that is picking up some measure of momentum.

I still think they're too small and powerless to be the Great Nazi Threat painted on DU, but we definitely need to pay rapt attention to what's happening. As long as Republican politicians can be shamed into disavowing them (and right now, they can be), it will remain a somewhat fringe phenomenon. No politician who desires advancement is going to go to bat for a radical minority whose sensibilities are so odious to mainstream America.

It's when powerful politicians start taking up that hatred as an overt cause that we're looking at a deeply serious, deeply dangerous threat to the Republic.

But right now, I honestly don't think we're anywhere near that point. Every time I see a Republican politician have to answer for the TeaTerrors, they look embarrassed and ashamed.