Doctor ready to quit practicing medicine because of HCR (Fox)

[proud2BlibKansan]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4016232/college-skews-political-spectrum#/v/4121731/doctor-to-quit-over-health-care/?playlist_id=87249

She says she would be forced to give up a career she loves because this violates her oath to serve her patients.

[WillParkinson]

1. How long do you think they look to find someone who will fit their story?

Or do you think they have a list of crazies contacting them?

[RKP5637]

8. I'm sure they have an ongoing prearranged contact list for those they parade out with

the RIGHT ridiculous story to support their propaganda and agenda of destroying the nation. They have a crazy prepared to meet all occasions.

[liberalhistorian]

39. Hell, all they'd have to do is

ask any doctor in South Dakota; they're all whining like babies here. One was even complaining that the system would be overcrowded because too many more people would now be able to get needed care. Get that. Actually complaining because more people who need care would finally be able to get it. Nice.

The AMA has been against every single act and provision that has helped Americans from day one. It was against Medicare and Medicaid and fought the ideas for thirty years until the groundswell for the M's became too strong. It was against social security; it was even against social security disability. It had no answer, however, when asked what are disabled people who are unable to work but who have no family supposed to do? It was even against the beginnings of health insurance, which, when it first started at a TX hospital, was a nonprofit cooperative known as Blue Cross; against it, that is, until they saw that the hospitals were getting paid but they weren't. Money is the only thing that talks with the AMA and the only thing its members care about, all their other blathering about concern for the American patient is nothing but horseshit piled on the ground.

[liberal N proud]

55. Yeah, I have heard the overcrowding bull

It is a full load of crap coming from the right.

[FarPoint]

64. Was this an MD?

Must already be a rich one.....giving up the lucrative income and all. This is another "Tokyo Rose Fox Moment".

[liberal N proud]

2. There is provisions in the bill that would prevent doctors from

caring for patients?

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. MTE!

:toast:

[Lost4words]

12. LOL Powerful graphics, Powerful!

[DrDan]

3. I guess she will be forced to serve on the death panels

what the heck is keeping her from serving her patients - just RW blather

[elias49]

4. That's OK. Plenty of jobs in the service industry

:nopity:

[Botany]

5. Chicken Little, "The sky is falling."

"They" aka Fox just makes shit up.

I had a customer who told me that the reason we are running short on oil in America is that the Cubans are
letting the Chinese drill oil off their coast and they are sucking up all of our oil. Really sweet lady but
she watches Fox for her information and has some really strange thoughts about the world.

[lonestarnot]

6. Good. Patients don't need for billion dollar profit doctors. They do not have patients' interests

first and foremost. Profit firsters need to get out.

[NJmaverick]

7. Lucky for FAUX news the oath doesn't require honesty

[Lost4words]

9. her departure will have an impact

just like the hole thats left in a bucket of water after you remove your hand. She might want to reconsider as there are not many jobs available in other fields right now!

Pukes can sure dish it out but apparently their piss poor at taking it! Like the weenie John McCain.

[leftofcool]

16. Stop calling John Mccain a weenie!

It's a disgrace to weenies everywhere! And I, being afraid of grasshoppers and being a weenie because of it, take offense. Dispense with the weenie talk or its off with yer head!

[Lost4words]

28. you are correct, I didnt stop to think, there ARE good weenies!

sorry didnt mean to offend, but have you seen the mouth on grasshoppers, OMG! The difference between locust and grasshoppers is how many are together for dinner and would eat you and me leaving nothing, you are wise to fear grasshoppers.

:toast:

[leftofcool]

31. LMAO!

[zbdent]

10. so what exactly is her doctorate in?

billionaire investments?

[Ozymanithrax]

13. Good.

[spanone]

14. go ahead doc, quit.

[LynneSin]

15. Hey chickie - don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out

I hope she has all those student loans paid off because I'm not sure what other job she could do outside of healthcare that would help her pay off those bills.

[Elmo39]

17. My doctor says..

I just talked to my family Dr about this bill. He figured that many Drs will opt for early retirement ie quit instead of attempting to deal with this situation. In his opinion the lack of ability to make a profit on medicare and public assisstance patients will force doctors to not accept them as patients. I see many elderly being thrown under the bus with this bill

[leftofcool]

19. No doubt, but I am hoping good doctors will pick up the slack

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[havocmom]

33. Just what was offensive about that post?

What, we aren't allowed to veer off some official group think dialog?

THAT attitude is rather.... last administration, not the CHANGE thing.

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[havocmom]

43. My daughter also has a low post count here, has been here for years,

has worked for liberal causes since WELL before she was old enough to vote and she feels pretty much the same. Your criteria MIGHT need some adjusting because she would be a 'freep-tard' in your estimation and you would be so far off base as to not even be in the stadium

News flash: DEMS do not have to nod and walk in lock step.

All the best, and a clue too
hm

[ChiciB1]

54. Sorry "Botany" Read My Post #44, It HAS Happened, I CAN Attest To It!

What I explained there IS TRUE, and a REALITY! But, as I said, my doctor is close to retirement age and I don't know how long he will still practice, but he DID say that MEDICARE was a DECIDING factor here.

My daughter & son-in-law also say that many doctors are UNWILLING to lower their fees, which in turn DOES contribute to this situation. They are BOTH critical care "cardiac" nurses and they KNOW what kind of fees are being charged by these specialist and they find them outrageous. So "some" doctors are hurting themselves by the astronomical fees they charge! IF they would consider lowering some cost as opposed to being millionaires, this would be helpful! At present my daughter is continuing her education to become a Nurse Practioner, so I DO think there will be health care that continues. But it may be done by Nurse Prationers and I think she made the right decision a couple of years ago.

But my son-in-law does say that the ER doctors he works with don't charge as much, but when a specialist is needed the PRICE goes up considerably! If the ER doctor can administer the best care it is done, but more ofter than not, simply so a doctor can cover his butt, he will call in an outside specialist! Watch "Trauma, Life In The ER" anytime and you will see how many times THIS DOES happen!

And MOST are unwilling to charge less! I do not speak with "forked tongue" as I have first hand knowledge about health care from my kids, AND my very own experience. This is one of the MAIN reasons I've been skeptical about this Bill and TRULY believe it's ONLY a start! Will the WH & Congress REALLY "work on" to have something better, I JUST DON'T KNOW! From past experience, and given what was said about NAFTA, I really wonder. ONLY TIME WILL TELL! If fixes aren't added, it COULD be a big problem! I WISH I had the "faith" I once had for OUR DEMOCRATS! So yes, it's A START and they couldn't "start over" but it NEEDS FIXIN'!

However, I can't predict what the fall out will be!

[havocmom]

57. Husdband's best friend is an MD who retired 3 years ago in exasperation

reason: insurance company hoops which made it impossible for him to actually care for patients to his standards. He lives in an area with low wages, did not get rich off his practice. Frequently did not get paid, but that didn't stop him. Insurance company rules finally drove him out.

Several others in practice with him also threw in the towel. Now, whole communities are without HEALTH CARE because of INSURANCE COMPANIES and their greed driven policies.

Forcing more to buy a product that causes so much disruption in health care is not reform.

[ChiciB1]

61. Agreed... And It IS Happening! I Live In A County That Is #2 Or #3 In

per capita income in the state of Florida, and one of it's hospital's (where my son-in-law works) have been given national awards. But I have "wondered" how they get those awards. It's entirely possible they earned it. This hospital is good, but WE do pay for it with our county taxes! It's a large County Hospital!

My insurance states that I need to go to different hospitals than this one, so I'm at the mercy of MY insurance in some ways too!

I DO have a great deal of animus toward Insurance Companies and what they have and are doing, and that THEY HAVE not actually been addressed through this bill! One of the MAIN, HUGE problems with the bill!

I just can't wrap my head around this situation without it leaving a bad taste in my mouth! Just me, and quite a few others in this country!

REFORM MUST HAPPEN!

[ChiciB1]

62. Just Need To Add... I Don't Fit In That "Higher Income" Bracket By

ANY MEANS!! Once considered "middle class" but now "we still get by!"

[Elmo39]

49. thank you

I am home battling bronchitis, I was told I should go to the hospital but I am certain that what my insurnace coverage would not pay would cause me too much $$$ hardship. The doctor understands this and loaded me up with affordable drugs along with free samples.
My doctor is a high school classmate and has been practicing since the 80s. He is a small town doctor who is not rich by any means. He did not get his degree at jerry falwell U. I am sorry that his opinion of this wounderous bill is not to some peoples liking. I trust his opinion seeing that even before the HCR doctors were refusing medicare and welfare patients.

[Yo_Mama]

56. I'm Hearing The Same Thing, Elmo

Sorry that you've got bronchitis and are getting ripped up here. Not a good day for you, I'd guess.

I think a lot of people are very anxious and lashing out at anyone. There is nothing to prevent a lot of doctors from going cash, and I am guessing many will.

Once they go cash their fees drop hard, so it may not be as bad as many think. They cut a lot of office staff and a lot of administrative overhead. They also seem happier, because they get to spend more time with patients. Many cash docs will work with you if you run into a tight money spell, so I'd look for one.

What has doctors concerned is that they barely fought of some of the more extreme HMO-type crap and now the government wants to impose the same thing. But the government can't impose it on cash docs, so I am guessing that a lot of very good doctors will go cash.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. And my doctor loves it

She stood in the street with us all summer at our HCR rallies.

[leftofcool]

My oncologist loves it too!

[blondeatlast]

65. My doc became my doc from treating this AHCCCS (re: AZ Medicaid)

patient fresh out of med school.

He's has a practice in a tony part of town, lots of well-off patients, but she still loves her patients from back in the day like me. She didn't march, but she did sign many petitions, called into talk shows, and generally was very supportive despite much peer pressure. I love her.

[havocmom]

30. Many already have, for above reasons and more, caused by insurers

Having to hire more clerical staff to handle all the insurance red tape

Having to work more to get insurers to allow them to treat with meds/treatment the patient will do best with, not what insurers want to limit them to.

Having to stick to lists of 'approved' meds and treatments for patients

Having to see more people in a day because of the low reimbursement rates. Many doctors don't like the rush rush/ no time to really pay attention to patient any more than patients do.

and many doctors know 'reform' that forces wider use of an extremely flawed product/system is NOT a help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8001231&mesg_id=8001231

But too many people will jump on doctors for being greedy because they make easier targets than Insurance company execs who provide NOTHING but expense to the health care system.

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[MADem]

35. Doctors have been profiting from medicare-only patients for generations....

Mister Beck....

[WeekendWarrior]

40. Maybe he's afraid he won't be able to buy that new Mercedes? nt

[Dappleganger]

47. "He figured that many doctors..."

So your doctor speaks for all doctors? Has he contacted the AMA to voice his concern, because they're saying something completely different.

So are we going to throw your grandma under the bus first?? I'll bet you have her so scared she's shaking under her bed that the commie pinko socialist black Hitler is going to force her to become gay before she goes under that greyhound!

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. Aaaaachooobullshit

Gezundheit

:rofl:

[City Lights]

63. You see what you want to see. nt

[pipi_k]

71. Saw something similar on CNN yesterday

someone said that many doctors may decide not to treat Medicare patients, but then went on to say that, with the aging population and a whole lot of people being ON Medicaid, they could be cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.

Younger people, as a rule, tend to not need a lot of care. So if doctors stop seeing Medicaid patients, they could find themselves suffering in a big way and end up changing their minds once they realize their businesses aren't doing so well.

[NotThisTime]

74. My Blue Cross Blue Shield pays a lower negotiated rate than Medicare in some areas, all the

insurance companies have negotiated rates and a lot of us don't pay above the negotiated rate... it's the deal the doctor made when accepting that private insurance....

[City Lights]

18. Suit yourself, dipshit.

I'd like to know how someone this :dunce: earned a medical degree. Do they hand out medical degrees at Jerry Falwell's university?

[NNN0LHI]

20. I just can't wait to see the park benches full of sulking doctors who quit

:rofl:

[leftofcool]

24. Homeless doctors? Well, maybe the missions will feed them.

poor things!

[eridani]

78. No, but some primary care doctors can't afford health care for themselves

Dr. Bramhall used to be the only MD psychiatrist in Washington State who would see Medicaid patients. Her reimbursments had dwindled for years. She gave up her car and moved to an apartment on Pill Hill near her practice to save money and keep helping the desperate people she worked with. Eventually, she could not afford health care for herself, a very bad situation for someone of late middle age to be in. Luckily for her, New Zealand was very happy to pay for her health care in exchange for making her professional skills available to their population.

[piratefish08]

37. don't worry - the Prayer Warriors will pick up the slack. Healing the sick and overthrowing

the gubmint is their specialty.

[Walk away]

51. With their little black bags open for spare change...

to pay their country club dues.

[WeekendWarrior]

21. Well, I guess it's over for you then

The bill passed and it's been signed, doc. Maybe you can get a job as a Fox pundit.

[LeftinOH]

22. Is this an actual doctor ...or someone with a Phd in Phys Ed?

[depakid]

25. If there's a nutter- trust Fox "news" to find them

and hold them up as an example.

Rather like the rest of the corporate media odes with global warming denialists.

[Tailormyst]

26. I wonder how much they paid her to lie?

Nothing changes for her, except maybe more patients.

[GoCubsGo]

46. One thing WILL change for her...

The bill is supposed to work to eliminate Medicare/Medicaid fraud. It's taking away her opportunities to skim money off the government by doing things like ordering unneeded tests.

[KharmaTrain]

27. And How Much Is Her Malpractice?

That's what I saw driving doctors out of their practices. Or how about those who were forced into networks that dictated the type of care they could give and to whom???

Remember, if anyone won from the HCR vote it was Faux...they can now rightfully rename themselves "Anger Central".

[JVS]

34. Good. New job openings!

[Danieljay]

36. She's full of crap, and herself. n/t

[Dappleganger]

41. Then she was only in it for the money, what a waste of brain cells. nt

[Ms. Toad]

50. You think she has some (brain cells)?

I didn't see much evidence of it.

[Dappleganger]

53. No doubt that Dr. Barbie has none just from showing up on Fox. nt

[Ms. Toad]

42. Hmm...Guess she must work for one of those boutiques

They're the only places I know of that allow a physician to practice without already taking marching orders from panels of bureaucrats (insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, VA, etc.).

Not sure the health insurance reform would impact a boutique practice.

[ChiciB1]

44. Just A True Comment About Something That Happened To Me...

NOT that it has ANYTHING to do with THIS Bill, but something ONE of my doctors did about 6 months ago. He STOPPED taking Medicare or other insurance of any kind. I've been told he CAN'T refuse to take Medicaid, I don't know for sure, but I DO know he stopped taking MY insurance.

He's a doctor I've been seeing since 1996 and we have a "good" relationship. He was once "out of my network" but did decide at one time to take my insurance and things were fine. I went to him, THEY filed my insurance, etc. However, now that he no longer takes my insurance I am again "out of network" but he has made an agreement with me. I ONLY go to him for refills of my current medications because they are of the type required that I do so.

He told me that NOW instead of me coming to him EVERY month, that if I stayed with him and filed my own insurance for re-reimbursement, I would only have to see him EVERY THREE months and he would write my refills that way. Why he couldn't do that before is something I suspect has more to do with his practice than me as a patient. Anyway, since I no longer HAVE to see him EVERY month, it's actually cheaper for me to see him every three months, because a monthly visit, "just for meds" is $90.00 each. And, he will only accept CASH! He still is a licensed doctor with hospital privileges, so I don't know how this is going to spill out.

He dropped his office staff down to ONE person, and I no longer wait an extensive amount of time to see him, I go right in and it works for both of us. I give his secretary my insurance form, she signs it, I submit it and get about $37.00 out of my $90.00 charge. So, in the long run I save money, especially since his office is about 25 miles away from my house. Could I find one closer? I suppose I could, but then I would HAVE to go back to see the "new" doctor every month, which is something that I find inconvenient. Also, I have a "relationship" with this doctor since I've been seeing him for so long.

So, will "some" doctors stop taking some insurance, I think it WILL happen, especially those doctors who are 60+ and as in my case have patients who like them and are willing to accept this arrangement. It "works" for both of us!

He said he was SICK of the tiny re-payment he was getting from Humana, and his over-head was costing him more than it was worth. He may be seeing fewer patients, but he seems MUCH happier!

My one concern is this though, he is at an age that he could possibly retire and I will have to start all over again... THAT is something that I will just have to wait and see.

So far, it's working fine and I'm really not out any extra money given this situation! I can't say I'm unhappy about it and honestly think might work well overall. The drawback is for those who NEED to see a doctor for something more than meds, then THEY will have to seek a different doctor because it's NOT cost effective. His fee for seeing patients other than just meds is $250.00 a visit. I think he may have LOST them, but he was willing to make the change and STILL keep his practice going.

Just thought I would share this with you, it's not for everyone I know, but as I said it works for me.

[Dappleganger]

52. What your doctor isn't telling you...

if that ALL insurance companies are a pain in the ass to work with and take a considerable amount of time to get reinbursement. The only thing with Medicare is yes, they do pay out less and their turnaround is a bit longer. That's why doctors usually charge more to make up for that difference. I do think that Medicare needs an overhaul and rates be raised.

I've dealt w/many doctors and they are quite often overwhelmed with all of the insurance-side of things even w/a manager to deal w/it. Insurance companies routinely (and BC/BS is known for this) reject doctor's claims, reject procedures and doctors have to go back and write letters and fill out yet more forms to get approval for reimbursement at a sustainable rate. Just about every two-three years Mayo Clinic in Jax or Baptist Hospital here will drop their agreement with BC/BS because of these issues and they have to go through several months of re-negotiation. It puts the patients who are receiving care in complete limbo, on their own because WE have to pay those bills or find a new doctor who is in-network during that time. Try doing that when you're going in for chemo!

[ChiciB1]

60. Believe Me... I Understand Your Situation! I Consider Myself VERY LUCKY

that I don't have an illness such as cancer, diabetes, brain tumor, kidney disease or the other "killers" and I DO know what you're saying!

It's not a good situation, and this BILL is a start... but just a start! I'm just explaining my situation right now, AND it could change at ANY time!

I think I said that too. I also made more comments above, but the INSURANCE companies are the REAL VILLAINS here IMO, and what they've gotten away with is monstrous!

I did address the issue of how much doctors charge, some do so because of overhead, but some do so because they WANT to stay rich! My daughter currently works for a heart specialist who is very, very rich! And yes, he does hold a person's LIVE in his hand! I really don't have the answers, but she does say that they ARE unwilling to take Medicare and their fees are STILL astronomical! I CAN'T go to the doctor she works for, he isn't on my list, and I AM UNABLE to pay the cost difference! And I actually have pretty good health care through Humana because my husband retired early and he worked for a company that was UNION!

Sad Facts!

[johnnie]

45. This says it all

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Healthcare_Reform/Dr_Lee_Vliet/prweb3033254.htm


"Dr. Lee Vliet Speaks Out on Healthcare Reform to Millions at Tea Parties, Rallies, on TV, Radio and in Print"

"Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D., a women's health specialist and healthcare reform activist, believes that the healthcare proposals have become a massive power grab to control the citizen's money, health options, businesses, liberty, and ultimately, citizen's lives. "It is not about insuring the poor," Dr. Vliet says. "Medicaid already covers the poor. What the Democratic majority is doing to healthcare in this country is a crime. Punishment won't fall on Congress and the President, who are excluded from the healthcare proposals. Punishment falls on the American people, especially the elderly."

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. Medicaid did NOT cover the poor

Many states have cut it back drastically.

[ChiciB1]

70. While I Have Made My Comments Here About "Doctor" Issues, I Feel

THIS doctor has a POLITICAL Agenda regarding HCR! I agree and did attest to the fact that some doctors are scaling back and may in fact retire, but I DO feel she may have ulterior motives!

While I don't know, I do suspect that she may have ties to some Repuke friends in high places. Wouldn't be the first time something like this happened, and given what is going on in this country now, won't be the last!

Repukes are determined to pull out ALL the stops to antagonize and obstruct anything they think the WH or Democratic Congress Critters are doing that may seem to look good for "we the people!"

Still, I've been a critic of THIS HCR because of what it DOESN'T do to help "we the people" and what it GAVE to Insurance Companies and others!

I am glad that it will help people with pre-existing conditions, but have wondered HOW MUCH it will cost them for said insurance coverage! Rate hikes may make it impossible to afford for many people. There is "some" good, but not enough YET for me to get in line behind many who think this is the best thing since sliced bread!

And YES, I DO know about FDR New Deal, Civil Rights, Medicare et al, and how it took "time" to finesse, I still have doubts about whether or HOW LONG it will take it to be re-visited, if at all! Obama said yesterday this is just a start, but then he said he wanted a Public Option too!

JMHO!

[MadBadger]

48. Shes an Ultra RWer

You get that immediately when she brings up a Congress person saying they make up the rules as they go along, which he never really says. She's short on facts and big on politics.

[laughingliberal]

58. Uh huh

Yeah, I don't like the HCR bill but it hasn't changed anything of any significance for the doctors. Unless, of course, big chunks of their income are coming from investments in medical device manufacturing companies or diagnostic centers where patients are sent for many unnecessary procedures which the bill will attempt to rein in.

[LeftishBrit]

66. Then she's in the wrong profession anyway.

[Javaman]

67. Title should read: doctor goes on faux to whore insane stance to get more patients. nt

[AsahinaKimi]

68. Maybe she can get a job being Orly Taitz dental assistant.

I am sure she will eventually need one once shes been disbarred as an attorney.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. LOL

[cynatnite]

72. She can pick and choose her patients just like any doctor...

that is if she is in private practice. NonPAR MDs can opt to take patients with or without insurance. It can be the insurance of their choosing, too. So, if an MD refuses Medicaid patients...they are well within their rights.

I don't know what she's bitching about here.

[daleo]

75. She can always go to some country that doesn't have public health care

If she can find one.

[Cleita]

76. Not quite right.

I do know some doctors are changing their billing practices to cash only. This bill does nothing to help them with having to maneuver through the insurance hoops they have to jump through. Maybe this will finally get the insurers out of the business.

[SoCalDem]

77. Bye-bye , Doc.

Looks like somewhere along the line she lost her focus anyway.. Most doctors I have known, were "in it" to help people. They did not take a vow of poverty, but they also did not worship at the altar of money..

and most people DO retire anyway..doctors often retire earlier than others, since they tend to be wealthier (on the whole)..

My husband's doctor retired at 45...to play golf:)

[Naturalist111]

79. bye bye good riddens we know the real reason

your in it for the money and you feel that you are going to make less. :-)