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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 09:03 PM
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Without destroying the Earth, the Large Hadron Collider might help humans explore the cosmos
this is a story from December 19, 2009, but i thought it would be neat to share this.

A black future
Without destroying the Earth, the Large Hadron Collider might help humans explore the cosmos

By Tom Siegfried
December 19th, 2009; Vol.176 #13 (p. 26)

Shortly after the first of the year (if not already), the Large Hadron Collider — the most powerful particle accelerator ever built — will smash protons together at record energies. If the Earth remains intact, doomsayers will once again have been falsified. Every time they forecast the demise of the planet, those prophets of Earthly annihilation prove themselves no more foresightful than mortgage bankers or phony psychics.

This time, the fear of physics focuses on the prospect that the LHC, housed in a tunnel circling beneath the Swiss and French countryside outside Geneva, will condense mass-energy densely enough to create small black holes. Since black holes gobble up any matter that enters them, digesting it in a bottomless gravitational pit, perhaps Geneva, then France and Switzerland, the rest of Europe and the entire planet might all be swallowed and then shredded to subatomic smithereens, a handful of litigious LHC critics have contended.

*snip*

But there is another source of cosmic-class power that could perhaps be exploited to drive space vessels: the energetic emissions from black holes. That strategy does not leap immediately to mind, perhaps because black holes have the reputation of swallowing up mass and energy (famously confining even light). But as Stephen Hawking (a Star Trek fan himself) discovered, physics permits (and therefore requires) a black hole to emit “Hawking radiation” — particles and photons that slowly diminish the black hole’s mass as they stream away. Left on its own, with no source of food, a black hole shrinks as surely as a helium balloon with a pinhole leak.

Here’s the best part: The smaller a black hole gets, the faster it shrinks. So a very small black hole spews out very large amounts of energy. A very, very small black hole — much smaller, say, than even an atom — would emit enough energy to, well, power a starship. Such black holes would release a much higher percentage of the energy used to make them than does either hydrogen or antimatter.

Just possible

Black holes produced at the LHC would not be any good for starship fuel. They would be so small that their decay would take only a tiny fraction of a second, which is also why they pose no danger of breaking the doomsayers’ perfect record of being wrong. But perhaps it is possible to create a black hole a little bigger, one that would produce a sufficient amount of Hawking radiation, for long enough, to drive a massive vessel across space to reach other stars in a reasonable time.


read much much more: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/50326/title/A_black_future

it explains how there's a possibility of using Hawking radiation to fuel starships capable of exploring the galaxy:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/50405/name/Mass_and_lifetime_of_subatomic-sized_black_holes


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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 09:07 PM
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1. Oh well, I was hoping for another Big Bang.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 10:06 PM
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2. We don't need the Large Hadron Collider
to destroy the earth. We're doing just fine with internal combustion engines and coal fire power plants, thank you.
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mindwalker_i Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:45 PM
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3. I've thought about black holes as energy sources
The hawking radiation emitted is inversely proportional to the mass, so one would want to keep the mass at a specific level to maintain the energy output. This could ideally produce 100% mass-to-energy conversion, but the bottleneck would be how well we can harness the radiation for useful work. It would need to be fed a net electrical charge so it's position can be maintained with electromagnetic fields.

The key takeaway is that, which black holes might suck, they also blow. Feeding them a little to munch on definitely has it's positive side.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:43 AM
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8. that is actually one of the problems they discussed in the article,
trying to determine how they could possibly calculate the exact size needed without having too many negative consequences.

tricky business.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:58 PM
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4. Am I a sick SOB for conceiving the idea of the Hawking bomb?
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:00 AM by backscatter712
The concept is fairly simple, and not entirely removed from the technology of Hawking-radiation-powered starships.

Step 1. Create a tiny black hole.

Step 2. Let the black hole evaporate, emitting an incomprehensible amount of Hawking radiation.

Step 3. The Hawking radiation expresses itself upon the surrounding environment in the form of a monstrous explosion that dwarfs those created by today's nuclear weapons.

Never, ever build one of these...

Of course, the feasibility of a Hawking bomb depends on the size of the black hole created, the amount of Hawking radiation released, and the speed at which it is released. As I am not a particle physicist, I leave such calculations to those more knowledgeable.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:00 AM
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5. if time travellers from the future will just quite sabotaging it n/t
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:02 AM
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6. IIRC
Romulan ships are powered by singularity drives.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:50 AM
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9. i did not know that.
weird. life imitating art.
warhol was right.

lol

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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:04 PM
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12. Yeah it's been a while
But if I'm remembering it right, there's an episode of DS9 where a cloaked Romulan ship is circling the station and they are able to track the singularity in it's power source.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:35 PM
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13. i found something on
the wikipedia page about it. not much info, but confirmed it.
pretty clever writing.

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:04 AM
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7. I just know they're going to cause a black hole and we'll all be sucked into it. n/t
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:53 AM
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10. lol. The whole Black Holes thing is a PR stunt. They will not be produced.
This prediction follows from effective, string theory motivated, models called LXD models (large extra dimensions). They have been discussed to death, but no one really takes them seriously. There is really no evidence that planck scale physics should somehow be transferred
to LHC energies.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:34 AM
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11. you have a link?
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 05:59 PM
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14. ...
as a starting point:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0601/0601121v1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0606/0606193v1.pdf

in the second article, references 6-25 lead to further information.
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 06:04 PM
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15. Here you can watch the LHC live in operation:
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

No black holes produced yet ;)
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