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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:01 PM
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Think you're done, Democrats on Capitol Hill? THINK AGAIN.
Can we talk?

Okay, so now you've got your "healthcare reform" bill, complete with President Obama's signature. And now you've got the reconciliation package, passed in both houses with some tweaks from the Republicans (gee, where have I heard that before?) and awaiting the President's pen.

Which means that Big Insurance is now firmly in control of America's healthcare system. With all due apologies to the late, great Molly Ivins, instead of socialized medicine, we now have corporatized medicine - and boy oh boy, are we having big fun now.

You are not done.

Once you get tired of patting yourselves on the back, you will see that healthcare in America is still busted despite this new legislation - and you know exactly what needs to be done to prevent the average American from being victimized anew by private health insurance companies.

The only way to keep Big Insurance honest is with a robust public option.

We're getting community health centers, yes, but that is not enough. We need and deserve an alternative to corporate healthcare that removes the profit motive and keeps the Big Insurance CEOs on their toes.

Once President Obama signs the reconciliation bill, it's time for you to get busy overhauling the overhaul.

Public Option NOW.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:03 PM
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1. Indeed!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:06 PM
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2. k/r
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:10 PM
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3. K & R nt
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:13 PM
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4. I Guarantee You They Think They Are
Congress won't touch health care again for at least another 20 years.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:19 PM
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6. If they want to stay in Congress, they'll finish what they started
See, this is exactly what I've been saying all along - once they got the bill passed, no matter how bad it was, Congressional Democrats wouldn't want to touch healthcare again for at least two decades, no matter how many people got hurt by the new legislation. And that's all the more reason why We, the People need to look our Democratic lawmakers in the eye and say...

You're not #%@!ing done yet.

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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:14 PM
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5. K&R this fast forward!
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:26 PM
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7. Dems will do nothing more
since they just forced every citizen into indentured servitude.
The door is open to corporate tyranny and will never be closed.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:32 PM
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8. We'll have to change their minds, then, won't we?
Here in Texas, our state party is getting closer to voicing its official discontent with the pace of health insurance reform on Capitol Hill. Some among us felt that we should simply fall in line and support whatever Obama signs, but they're being overridden by other Democrats who feel that our party can and should do better for the American people.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:39 PM
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12. Where have I heard that before?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:36 PM
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9. "In her strongest statement yet, Pelosi said that any bill "without a strong public option will not
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 11:37 PM by kath
pass the House. Any real change requires the inclusion of a strong public option to promote competition and bring down costs,” Pelosi said. “If a vigorous public option is not included, it would be a major victory for the health insurance industry.” {snip} “Eliminating the public option would be a major victory for the insurance companies who have rationed care, increased premiums and denied coverage.” http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26742.html


Obama: ny plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

This very tough letter sent last night by House progressive leaders to Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius, stating unequivocally that 60 House Dems will not support a health care plan without a public option:

Dear Secretary Sebelius,

We write to you concerning your recent comments about the public option in health insurance reform.

We stand in strong opposition to your statement that the public option is “not the essential element” of comprehensive reform. The opportunity to improve access to healthcare is a onetime opportunity. Americans deserve reform that is real-not smoke and mirrors. We cannot rely solely on the insurance companies’ good faith efforts to provide for our constituents. A robust public option is essential, if we are to ensure that all Americans can receive healthcare that is accessible, guaranteed and of high-quality.

To take the public option off the table would be a grave error; passage in the House of Representatives depends upon inclusion of it.

We have attached, for your review, a letter from 60 Members of Congress who are firm in their Position that any legislation that moves forward through both chambers, and into a final proposal for the President’s signature, MUST contain a public option.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/sixty-house-liberals-to-white-house-no-public-option-no-health-care-reform/

Barney Frank: I am a strong supporter of single payer, and I do reluctantly accept a full public option as the best we can do. So I am strongly committed to a public option and I will not vote for a bill that does not include a nationwide, genuine public plan. But I do not agree that it has to be available on day one. It is conceivable that to get the votes to get this done, we might have to accept, for example, a six month delay on a public plan going forward. I am not talking now about a trigger, which I greatly oppose, but simply a time delay for reasons that might be put forward either legitimately but politically.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/barney-frank-will-not-vote-for-co-ops-takes-the-pledge/

Reid: U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said today there will be a "public option" in whatever health insurance reform bill comes out of Congress.

"We are going to have a public option before this bill goes to the president's desk," Reid said in a conference call with constituents, referring to some kind of government plan.
"I believe the public option is so vitally important to create a level playing field and prevent the insurance companies from taking advantage of us," he said.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Reid-Final-health-bill-will-have-a-public-option-63155937.html

Feingold: But the equation is more complicated than that. Increasingly, there are senators on the liberal side of the spectrum who say they won't pass a plan that includes the trigger provision.

"To me that would be a very serious gap and it would be a very strong reason not to support it," Sen. Russ Feingold told CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday. "We need a public option. We need something that would cause some control over the abuses that have occurred in the insurance industry."

Triggers, Feingold added, are "just an invitation for the insurance industry to manipulate the situation for a couple of years just so they can avoid the trigger and so they can convince members of Congress to delay it again. We need to do something now."

Feingold did not say (nor was he asked) if he would participate in a filibuster of a bill that included triggers instead of an opt-out public plan. And that seems likely to be the major question mark going forward. While conservative Democrats may be comfortable allowing the broader effort to pass health care reform fail over their objections to the public plan, it's not clear if their progressive counterparts will make that leap. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/25/feingold-no-public-option_n_333012.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/25/feingold-no-public-option_n_333012.html


Such pretty, pretty, pretty words.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:37 PM
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10. +1,000 (n/t)
:applause:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:47 PM
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15. Excellent post. Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I think I
imagined those words. So, did they lie, or were they threatened? And what about the people who cheered when they heard those words, and then turned around and decided that whatever passed was okay with them, even if it was a Republican and Private Ins. inspired bill.

I think Democrats will pay a price for this. Already the Insurance Industry is challenging the law regarding pre-existing conditions for children. And it's become clear from that challenge that there may very well be loopholes in the what most would agree, was one of the better parts of the bill.

Here is an article from today about the predatory industry that Democrats just bailed out, already challenging that part of the bill. Is anyone surprised?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8020438
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 08:24 AM
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20. It was life or death for the Ins. co.s from the beginning.
They probably spent hundreds of millions to win and, now, they'll rake in hundreds of billions.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:38 PM
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11. I agree with you that a public option should have been there
to keep insurance companies honest. Do we know the real reason why it's not there? Nancy said it was there then no ...
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:46 PM
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14. I think it was a major breakdown in collective will under the Dome
When Obama dropped his support for the public option and Rahm Emanuel went on the warpath after progressives, that's when the cracks began. Then Obama went to Ohio to rally supporters to pressure Dennis Kucinich, and that was pretty much it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 11:46 PM
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13. PO now, added on. And of course SP later. Because we won't take "no" for an answer.
It won't happen overnight, but it WILL happen if we persist.

Whatever problems people encounter with this HCR law, we must be ready and able to point out how PO and SP can correct the problems.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 05:06 AM
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18. +1. nt
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:23 AM
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16. I don't think NOW is realistic but to keep pushing until it's a reality is essential.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:45 AM
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17. Yep. I give them a ten minute catnap on their laurels AND BACK TO WORK.
It's adorable that they think they're done.

Basically, this bill contains every trial balloon the White House floated and we angrily shot down. Mandates, no public option....oh yes, this is exactly the bill they intended to give us.

It is still not the bill I want. Great achievement fellas. Gonna cost a fortune you didn't have to spend if you'd done it right.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 05:06 AM
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19. K&R. nt
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