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imurhuckleberry Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:30 AM
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Mega Church Crystal Cathedral not paying bills

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Oliver sent a letter to Sheila Schuller Coleman, founder Robert H. Schuller's daughter, who is now the head of Crystal Cathedral Ministries. In the letter, she talked about her daughters ages 3 and 1, her husband who has been battling cancer and the danger of her losing their home if she doesn't receive the payment.

"I've been completely ignored without so much as a courtesy of a response or explanation," Oliver said. "I understand the church has been hurting for cash…but the way I've been treated, with no courtesy or professionalism, is unacceptable."

Cathedral administrators responded to the vendors’ complaints Thursday with a written statement saying they have seen a 30 percent to 40 percent drop in revenue. The church has "significant debt," but they also have the assets to cover that debt, the statement said.

"As a result, there are vendors that we have not been able to pay in a timely manner. It grieves us that we are in such a position,’’ the statement said.

Continue reading....http://www.ocregister.com/news/cathedral-241062-crystal-say.html
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:32 AM
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1. it's getting tougher to earn a dishonest living by swindling the gullible.........
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imurhuckleberry Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:43 AM
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4. with the exception of right-wingnut haters hannity,limbaugh,beck etc. etc.
Otherwise....yep, I agree.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:43 AM
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5. Definition of a Depression: even the crooks are going broke.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:44 AM
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6. This comment makes me smile
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:34 AM
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2. "Grieves them" my ass. It only grieves them because their stinginess and assholery
is getting noticed and forcing them to deal with vendors constantly asking them for the money they are owed.

Fuck the Schulers.

If anyone needs proof that the prosperity gospel is a heresy and a totally false misuse of the gospel, this should be it.

If the prosperity bullshit were true, that church would continue to be rolling in whatever amount of cash it needs.

Schuler's family can all go bankrupt and die in a gutter because they can't afford antibiotics (and don't have socialized health care because they fought against it).
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imurhuckleberry Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:41 AM
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3. "If the prosperity bullshit were true" Excellent point! n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:44 AM
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7. Sue them in court.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:06 PM
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12. Yup, get a good collection lawyer...n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:15 PM
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13. Get a lien on one of their prime pieces of property.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:15 PM
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19. I'd be willing to bet they owe so many people they'd pay this person
quickly before it escalated and the lawyer realizes, hey, lots of business for me with these twits!
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:51 AM
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8. Actually, the bible (Daniel 5:26-28) provides the answer:
"God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it ... You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting ... Your kingdom has been divided ..."
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:03 PM
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9. Is not the laborer worthy of his hire?
1 TIMOTHY 5
18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The LABOURER is worthy of his reward.

I guess that doesn't apply to Schuller and his merry band of cohorts.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:07 PM
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10. how the hell does a megachurch go deep in debt??
here's how, evidently:

Last month, Crystal Cathedral administrators announced that continuing financial woes have prompted them to start shutting down all operations at their 20-acre campus in Rancho Capistrano, closing a church, preschool, retreat area, soccer fields, camping grounds and a conference and wedding center. The megachurch has put various properties up for sale, has laid off employees and suspended its "Glory of Easter" pageant this year. The cathedral has also scaled down its "Hour of Power" broadcasts viewed by millions worldwide.

Spokesman John Charles said the Cathedral is doing everything it can to strengthen itself financially and is not looking at bankruptcy as an option.

"We're trying to avoid it at all costs," he said.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:01 PM
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11. I guess they aren't praying hard enough...
Jesus makes people rich, right? :eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:18 PM
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14. The "faithful" are less affluent these days
and apparently Jesus "ran out of checks".. I'm sure there'll be a check in the mail..any day now "rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:12 PM
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15. Those scumbag thieves have always screwed over their vendors.
At least the vendors that weren't kicking back to the scam.


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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:13 PM
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16. Prediction: TBN will buy it
And put all their relatives on the board.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:14 PM
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17. I always amused me that they built that eyesore right next to Disneyland.
There's some kind of commentary in there somewhere.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:15 PM
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18. wow...that fancy place can't pay its debts?
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