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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:45 PM
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Avarice, Greed, Envy, Coveting, Vainglory....
All biblical in nature, all human traits questioned in the bible and by virtually every spiritual doctrine of the major religions of the world.

And yet, the whole concept of our consumer driven economies rely heavily on these dangerous traditions in order to function, in order to thrive.

This is the mark of Capitalism.

This is the legacy of the US market system.

And yet we are often considered the most religious country in the Western World.

How can this be?

First and foremost, many Americans often and willingly mistake religious fervor for spirituality. The more garish and visible the display of religion, the props, the preaching , the proselytizing gives the least spiritual among us the aura of spirituality. The nasty little secret of this form of religion is that many are willing to envy the vainglorious self anointed ego driven religious leaders.

Who hasn't known people who fall under the spell of covetous followers hoping to capture the spiritual glow of a so-called called upon religious leaders.

The idea of having one announce that they have been given the call is vainglory in and of itself.

The idea that your mission in life is to accumulate converts is greed based. Being driven by spiritual greed is the same as hoarding money.

And speaking of hoarding money, wanting more more more, how can this be seen as not a vice but an admirable trait.

If we were truly spiritual we would not be running around this country worried about having the best car, the most glorious cut of fabric to strut about in or just to be driven 167 of the 168 hours in a week by greed and envy.

And this idea of having a personal relationship with Jesus is just another way of appealing to the ego of the masses who can then tell everyone and anyone about that personal relationship with the western world's godhead. This idea of asking what would Jesus do is just a way to cover the non-spiritual behavior of this country.

I remember getting all gussied up to go to church. I was taught to believe this was out of respect for the church, to match the glory of the sparkling and bejeweled priest running the show of shows up there on the alter. It only took me until the fifth grade to figure out that dressing up for church was really a peacock strut to show how successful you were.

Why am I all incensed today?

I don't really know except that I have been giving much thought lately to the future of our country, the viability of our economy and, perhaps most important, my own recent experience that drove home my mortality like a sledge hammer.

I guess I am a little vainglorious to think I have something of value to offer. I also understand that I am coveting your acceptance while greedily look at the view count with envy so avarice fits into all of this thread.

But I do not profess myself to be a spiritual person.

I think that because we are made to desire a spiritual life we are almost driven toward a deadly, dangerous duality where we are motivated by envy and all the rest and then are made to believe we need salvation from this dichotomy. You can't truly understand or appreciate the Western version of a spiritual life without succumbing and embracing the most deadliest sin of all; that we are made in the image of our god.

Freud got it wrong. It wasn't sex that drove our neurosis but religion.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:58 PM
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1. I think it's a normal human trait to think we have something to offer...
So, if that makes you vainglorious, then we all are.

Perhaps the churches are taking advantage of our need to feel good about ourselves? They give us an avenue...

A lot to think about here...

Thank you.

K&R

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AngryKansasknitter Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:05 PM
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2. That is true...
I happen to be a Christian, however I DO NOT play "church"...I'm one to worship in my own home, one to keep my prayer life between myself and the Lord...and my giving? I'd rather do it as Jesus did it- actually out amongst the VERY people Christ originally came for- the poor, needy, sick...the forgotten...THOSE people.Doing what I can to help out! The very same people that are suffering because of church going Pharisees/ Parasites...and slick, unethical television evangalists!

I'm sure there are those that do the ego trip thing..but me? I play it modest, I KNOW I'm a sinner, that sometimes I still sin...and that I fall short of the glory of God...and that keeps me humble. It's true the dysfuctionality of the church and american christianity can and continues TO drive people to the point of needing mental health services due to the abuse of authority, hypocrisy, self righteousness,ect of these sadistic heartless church going social climbing sociopaths....

Christians KNOW what Jesus would do...and, like you, I was raised in church, and was taught that only the BEST could be worn to the "Lord's House". ( I was once told years ago, that if my "Best" was jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers, I was NOT to show my face in the Lord's house...because I'd go to hell if I did...) Not to mention an assortment of other snubs that taught me in cruel ways that american christianity is nothing more than a social club for small minded, self righteous,snobbish,money grubbing hypocrites...Like I said before, they are NOTHING but Pharisees/ Hypocrites!!!


Nita
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:16 PM
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3. It was the summer between fifth and sixth grade and it was the first night
I snuk out to just wander around our little city. My friend Richie and I did some stupid stuff like trowing a couple of grocery store shopping carts over a bridge into a river. We ran from cops and got pretty muddy because we had to run through a metro park to get away from the cops.

Toward the end of the night, we ran into the tough kid from our school. We went into to 24/7 Laundromat and he jumped up on top of the machines and kicked cash boxes open with dimes and nickles spilling out over the floor. we scrambled for the money and then took off.

On the way home I was stricken with a whole lot of grief. I went into the very church where I got my first communion and put the few coins I had clamored after into the poor box. I snuck up into the balcony and started to pray for forgiveness. There was man there with a few of his kids. He came over to me and told me to leave because I was not respecting the lord by coming into his house in muddy clothes...

That's when and how I started to question the church.
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AngryKansasknitter Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:25 PM
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4. well, I was an adult....
working fast food making way less than the poverty level. I simply DID NOT have the funds to buy church clothes...let alone enough to pay tithes and offerings. There was a lot more to it than that,actually. But, suffice it to say, I haven't attended church on any frequent basis since 98, when I learned our local christian community would embrace a child molester and ostracize "One of their own" (A single woman. me.)

Nita
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:26 PM
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5. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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AngryKansasknitter Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:30 PM
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8. Thanks....
ah well..as fun as it's been, I've got to run and take care of business!!!!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:27 PM
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6. It's always seems to end in realizing the hypocracy of the church...
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AngryKansasknitter Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:29 PM
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7. That it does...
That it does...hypocrisy...ugh...please don't get me wound up...LOL... but, really, I've learned in the past several years that God isn't the church, and a relationship with Him is something VERY different....

Nita
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:30 PM
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9. Jesus Christ wasn't exactly what you'd call a sharp-dressed man.
Faux Christians conveniently "forget" that one.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:11 PM
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10. I Like that....
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:46 PM
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11. Calvinism.
Calvinist theology says that material wealth is a sign that one is one of "The Elect" that will be saved.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:32 PM
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13. Leave it to the Swiss....
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:50 PM
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12. You forgot the prosperity gospel. That's what most religious nuts are REALLY praying for.
:puke:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:34 PM
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14. That's too easy of a target...
I wrote about one a few years ago....
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