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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:53 PM
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GA superintendent fires entire school. 10,000 to be fired in CA, 8500 in NYC
Nothing is being solved, parents and children are not held accountable, the underlying problems of poverty are not being addressed.

This is happening very quickly, very rapidly...almost as though they hope to get it done while no one is paying attention.

There is power in this movement now with Arne Duncan at the helm of the Department of Education. Bush could not get this done because there was an opposing party. Now there is none.

Georgia superintendent fires entire school.

Savannah, GA -- A public school in one of Georgia's largest school districts is firing every teacher, administrator and janitor at the end of May.

Savannah, Georgia's Beach High School has had eight years of failing to meet state and federal "No Child Left Behind" achievement standards or benchmarks. School Superintendent Dr. Thomas Lockamy says he had to take the drastic step of removing everyone, from the school principal to the janitor, to avoid a state takeover of Beach High.

After a closed door meeting teachers and staffers told reporters they were asked to re-apply for their jobs during the summer months.

Dr. Lockamy says the school will get the fresh start that Georgia Department of Education thinks students need to be successful in the classroom.


A Huffington Post writer tells us more of how quickly this is being done.

School Closings and National Priorities

In Detroit, because of population shifts -- "white flight" -- the school population has precipitously declined in the past decade. Forty-four city schools will be closed and a recent cut in per pupil allocation will be offset from public employee pensions. In California 10,000 educators will be fired and in NYC 8500 will be laid off in addition to 19 schools scheduled for closing due to low test scores. In Kansas City -- with a similar situation as Detroit -- 29 schools will be closed and 1000 educators are being laid off in Chicago. These measures will certainly have an effect on reducing the quality of the education of young learners in these cities and states but there is no doubt that schools in more privileged areas and private schools will suffer little negative impact.

I am afraid that this trend will become more commonplace just as homelessness, which would have been regarded as a national disgrace and unacceptable condition in such a rich country as the United States forty years ago, is now considered by most Americans as not much more than a public nuisance. The more "tolerant' we as a nation become to signs of economic, social and ethical decay, the closer we will be to becoming a country in which democratic values will be regarded as too much of a "luxury" to be sustained or even fought for. School closings and budget cuts are, in my opinion, not only a sign of a shrinking economy whose impact is disproportionately felt by the majority, but of a decline in our standing as a nation.

I am convinced that there is more than enough wealth in America to address many of these problems far more adequately than they are now, but that would require a serious redistribution of wealth, through a fairer tax system, so that at least revenues for the public good would be more available.


The loss of public education will indeed signal a decline in our standing as a nation. The goals of the new schools being built out of this "venture capitalism" will be determined by corporations which will control the management of the schools.

There was an excellent discussion on Democracy Now yesterday about the special list kept by Arne Duncan in Chicago to help certain families get their kids in top schools.

This is an especially good part in the interview of Pauline Lipman, who teaches education and policy studies at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

A Look at Arne Duncan’s VIP List of Requests at Chicago Schools and the Effects of his Expansion of Charter Schools in Chicago

llinois-Chicago. Arne Duncan said Katrina, you know, the hurricane, may have been the best thing to happen to New Orleans when it comes to education. How do you see what’s going on right now in Chicago playing out on the national scape with Arne Duncan, head of education in Chicago, now become the Education Secretary?

PAULINE LIPMAN: Well, I think that that’s a really good question, because I think probably the best phrase to describe what is happening nationally is what Naomi Klein calls “disaster capitalism.” So we have a situation in which there’s a fiscal crisis in the cities and in the states. We have a situation in which we have a long history disinvested public schools in communities of color. And in that context, there is now a move to privatize public education, just as happened in New Orleans, which was devastated by Hurricane Katrina, and then that was seen as an opportunity to actually move in and privatize public schools.

So the federal stimulus money that’s being offered now to the states is being offered on the condition that they raise charter school caps, that they tie teacher evaluations to students’ test scores, that they close what they call failing schools, that they turn them over to private turnaround operators. So we have a neoliberal project nationally, which was tested out in Chicago and then is now being pushed out nationally.

And one of the ways that this was dramatized so clearly to me was that almost immediately after Arne Duncan was selected to be Secretary of Education, he flew to Detroit, which is one of the most disinvested, economically devastated cities in the country. And it was—their school system has been decimated because of the economic crisis in Detroit. And he offered millions of dollars, but on the condition that they would do the Chicago plan.


Arne has so much money to get states in crisis to do his bidding. That means that the lid on charter schools will be lifted, teachers will be tested on how students score...with not an inkling of holding the student responsible. And there are going to be more and more whole schools in which all the teachers are fired.

More about the smash and grab of public schools under this "disaster capitalism

Capitalizing on Disaster in Education

Despite the range of obvious failures of multiple public school privatization initiatives, the privatization advocates have hardly given up. In fact, the privatizers have become far more strategic. The new educational privatization might be termed "back door privatization" or maybe "smash and grab" privatization. A number of privatization schemes are being initiated through a process involving the dismantling of public schools followed by the opening of for-profit, charter, and deregulated public schools. These enterprises typically despise teachers unions, are hostile to local democratic governance and oversight, and have an unquenchable thirst for "experiments," especially with the private sector. (10) These initiatives are informed by right wing think tanks and business organizations. Four examples that typify back door privatization are: (1) No Child Left Behind, (2) Chicago's Renaissance 2010 project, (3) educational rebuilding in Iraq, and (4) educational rebuilding in New Orleans.

No Child Left Behind

No Child Left Behind sets schools up for failure by making impossible demands for continual improvement. When schools have not met Adequate Yearly Progress, they are subject to punitive action by the federal government, including the potential loss of formerly guaranteed federal funding and requirements for tutoring from a vast array of for-profit Special Educational Service providers. A number of authors have described how NCLB is a boon for the testing and tutoring companies while it doesn't provide financial resources for the test score increases it demands. (11) (This is aside from the cultural politics of whose knowledge these tests affirm and discredit). (12) Sending billions of dollars of support the way of the charter school movement, NCLB pushes schools that do not meet AYP to restructure in ways that encourage privatization, discourage unions, and avoid local regulations on crucial matters. One study has found that by 2013 nearly all of the public schools in the Great Lakes region of the U.S. will be declared failed public schools and subject to such reforms. (13) Clearly, NCLB is designed to accomplish the implementation of privatization and deregulation in ways that open action could not.

Schooling in Disaster Capitalism


Parents, students, teachers, administrators are all responsible for providing a climate for effective learning.

Only the teachers are being fired or held accountable.

And not a single Democratic leader is speaking out against this hostile takeover of public education by the corporate world.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:12 AM
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1. We let a billionaire buy our government. I think he's mayor for life.
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djp2 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:44 PM
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63. IT'S TIME>>>
for a Million Teacher March on Washington to end this MADNESS!
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:12 AM
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2. Arne must have a couple of friends here
-2 from them, +1from me.
This article is so depressing.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 02:18 AM
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18. he has a *lot* of friends here. nevertheless, he has more enemies than friends, as you can see by
current rec totals.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:15 AM
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3. What a way to encourage potential teachers.
Why the fuck would any person in college wish to instruct K-12 students if this is the risk? The arbitrariness of it is ludicrous.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:13 AM
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20. yep. you can add this to the list of reasons
I got out of teaching.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:54 AM
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:00 AM
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39. Very similar to the way for profit hospital corps created the nursing shortage
The difference being they didn't have a cabinet level official running around the country encouraging them.

The tactics against nurses were just to keep wages and benefits stagnant and increase work loads to the point of the ridiculous. Now, they routinely short staff the hospitals crying about the shortage and saving a bundle in labor costs.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:04 AM
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40. Or TFAs.
European and other countries will not be immune to this, by the way.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:15 AM
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4. and so it begins
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:18 AM
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5. sorry we must spend our money on bombs and murdering brown women and kids nt
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Knight Hawk Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:12 PM
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55. ?
Serbians are not brown..........................
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:22 AM
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6. provide the resources so teachers can teach
and get rid of this obsessive testing. Many young teachers with no experience are being placed in poverty areas whereas the highly qualified are placed in the leafy suburbs. Those who have been in schools in poverty areas have low moral, no ressources. I was talking to a teacher who worked in Baltimore and he said he had no running water and he had to fill and bucket of water and run upstairs with it. He left and headed for the suburbs.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:52 AM
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8. KC showed that money/resources alone is not the answer
How should we stop the good teachers from going to where the pay is better, the hours shorter, and the job much more civilized? Indenture has been illegal in the US for quite some time and within a district, union rules, including seniority matter and no hazardous duty pay, control assignments.

The issues you raise are quite real, but $$$ are not the primary solution.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:06 AM
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9. KC has a corrupt school board, among other problems
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 01:06 AM by REP
It's no wonder the few schools that were still open were only 40% full. The schools weren't great when I was an inmate of them (Border Star, Bingham and Southwest - all long shut down) and I can only imagine how bad they are now.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:12 AM
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12. Even under the special master?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:09 AM
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10. If those public dollars are going to private management companies....
it is a big part of the solution. Give public money to public schools...not to corporations to run the schools.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:13 AM
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13. My point is that the ":just give them more $$$" meme is clearly false
The problems are more complex and far reaching. We simply can not buy our way out of it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:16 AM
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14. You can't take resources away from public schools...and demand they do more.
It just doesn't work that way.

Money is not all of the problem, but when you drain the resources of a school there will be problems.

Besides it is public money.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:27 AM
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16. Nothing I have said, disagree with this but KC showed it was not just money
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:56 AM
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24. Support, resources, community backing all being undermined.
by corporations who fund the so-called "grassroots" parents groups to hassle and harass for charter schools.

Big money is bringing public education down. Many here at DU rejoice.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:05 AM
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41. It's because Obama's pushing it,
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 11:06 AM by tonysam
and Obama is never wrong.

Another reason why voters should NEVER hero worship politicians.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 02:41 AM
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75. They figured that they were making a killing at for profit prisons
why not take over the schools, too? Where are all the people who howl about budget busting when government money is being spent on FOR PROFIT systems?
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:26 PM
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56. Yes, money is not the problem.
Just ask any senator who sends their kids to the best private schools at 40 - 100K per year. It is clear that throwing money at the problem is not the solution for thier kids.


Oh wait. That is the solution they are using in their lives.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:12 AM
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25. Giving more money isn't the entire answer, but it is certainly a large part of it
You want quality teachers, then you need to start paying for them. How many bright young people are going to choose to be teachers when their pay is so damn dismal? I have seen over a dozen, during the past four years, at my little liberal arts school who would make great teachers. They considered going into education, but with massive student loans over their heads, and the miniscule pay that teachers get, they decided to go into another field.

Pumping more money into the system isn't the entire answer, but having up to date facilities, where there is no overcrowding certainly helps as well. As does having up to date textbooks, maps, and other equipment. Not to mention buildings that don't leak, rooms that are heated, and food that is edible.

Money isn't the only answer, but it would go a long way to solving our problems. We haven't even tried it, the money per capita spent on students has actually declined once inflation is taken into account. If we want to live up to the rhetoric that education is one of the most important priorities in this country, then we need to start funding in a like manner, rather than as the afterthought it is for many, many people.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:40 PM
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72. We need to change our culture, meaning we need to change our media and our family structure.
Children grow up in an environment that is hostile to learning and understanding in depth and in families full of strife and turmoil, families that are struggling either to survive or to keep up with the Joneses.

Our heroes are the movie stars and sports stars. We don't hear that much about heroic scholars, scientists, mathematicians, or even artists or writers for that matter. As long as our heroes are chosen according to how rich, how beautiful or how well they play a sport, our children will not do well in school.

Face it, as a society, we do not value education and we do not admire or reward educated people.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:22 AM
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21. If they are spending more money then why is the pay better elsewhere?
That doesn't make any sense, more money spent should equal higher pay for the employees.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:48 AM
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23. resources can mean more than money
living support.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:21 AM
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33. Have the kids get the bucket of water
When I was in school, the kids too turns pumping the water and bringing it into the shoolhouse.

Teach them a little responsibility.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:28 PM
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57. In many districts teachers would be fired for doing that.
If you let the darlings out of your site for a second and they do anything wrong, then you are fired.

Yah - let's give kids that power.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:38 AM
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7. I can't believe this is getting unrec'd! Anti-union, anti-worker DUers are at it again!
Unreal. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:11 AM
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11. Looks like just 2 so far...not bad for a post defending public education.
:hi:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:06 AM
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42. Yes. Just a few short years ago the only place I heard people advocating these
anti-teacher, anti public education policies was on Right Wing talk radio. Are we a few lone voices here who notice that our party is becoming the party we opposed less than a decade ago?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:35 PM
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46. I know what you mean. I've been on this site for seven
years now and I've been shocked at this contingent here that's gotten larger and louder this past year. Really and truly shocked. The sad and scary thing is that, if I had not grown up with teachers and in the world of education, I'd be more likely to swallow the administration's and media's kool-aid on this. It's so prevalent now and any attempt to debunk it by those in the trenches is derided as sour grapes and whining and not wanting to be "accountable."

And there are plenty here who are generally pro-union but who then come right out and say "except for education unions, since they often stand in the way." Again, they have no idea of what the fuck they're talking about and have swallowed the kool-aid. My parents began teaching before teacher unions existed and it was BAD. Too many younger teachers have NO idea.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:57 PM
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66. It's stunning. I never would have imagined it just a little over a year ago
I've asked many of them to list Democratic positions on the issues. Not one taker so far.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:45 PM
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73. Yes, it is stunning, but apparently we are not supposed to talk about it. n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 02:38 AM
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74. Yowza. You're right. Someone needs to write a new list of DU rules
of approved topics and positions on those topics. I'm not sure if traditional Democrats with traditional Dem positions are welcome here anymore.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:48 PM
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59. It's gonna get far, far, far worse.
There is such a gross power imbalance between teachers and administrators now, just wait until the privatizers' scheme comes to pass. "Teachers" (read script readers) making $8 an hour, no benefits, with revolving door contracts lasting just a year.

And young people and midlife career changers STILL flock to this mess of a "career." These students need their collective heads examined.
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 02:04 AM
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17. this is terrible...
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 02:05 AM by Ysabel
a lot of cuts here too (edited to add a k and r)...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:05 AM
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19. Judge blocks NYC closing 19 schools
In a striking blow to the Department of Education's push to shutter failing schools, a Manhattan judge yesterday halted the impending closure of 19 public schools -- citing the city's failure to follow the proper legal process.

For tens of thousands of anxious families, the decision cleared the way for school officials to notify most, if not all, of them about which high schools their eighth-graders have been accepted into for the fall.

About 8,500 students had initially applied to attend a school that was later slated to close. They will still be given that option if the ruling is overturned -- along with the option of attending a different school if the ruling stands.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/judge_blocks_city_from_closing_schools_wUVOE5cCZPXRK0z9NKpMXI#ixzz0jNUYDa5E


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/judge_blocks_city_from_closing_schools_wUVOE5cCZPXRK0z9NKpMXI
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:27 AM
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22. How incredibly STUPID to buy into a moronic concept such as
No Child Left Behind!!!

I recently took to task a doctoral candidate in education, who sought to defend such a monstrosity, using "accountability" as the main thrust of his argument.

Such people are not aware of W. Edwards Deming's famous paddle and bead exercise and its implications.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:30 PM
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58. It like trying to talk to highfrucpornsyrup about anything scientific.
It's like the only valid opinion is the one they hold. There are fanatics everywhere.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:16 AM
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26. K&R
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:16 AM
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27. And the janitor?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:22 AM
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28. A judge just ordered a stay on the closing of 19 NYC schools. thank goodness.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:47 AM
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29. Nice. A big FU to Arnie! (nt)
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 05:47 PM
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52. +1
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:59 AM
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30. Obama gave tacit approval to this sort of thing
I'm not sure where it's going to lead.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 04:02 PM
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48. it wasn't tacit, it was overt.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 05:48 PM
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53. +1
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:00 AM
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31. It's a rapidly spreading cancer, and I don't see it being halted
as long as the Department of Education supports it.

If I could have a sig line, which I can't, because mine have not been appreciated, lol, I'd put your last statement:

"Parents, students, teachers, administrators are all responsible for providing a climate for effective learning.

Only the teachers are being fired or held accountable.

And not a single Democratic leader is speaking out against this hostile takeover of public education by the corporate world."

Meanwhile, what are the NEA and AFT doing in response? WHO will stand up for us?
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n.michigan Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:39 PM
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70. Only teachers are being scape-goated by corrupt politicians
Teachers as foolish sheep. Dupes. Easy marks...like the children-dump on them, steal from them. The education pot is huge. Where else is there real money left to target? Anyway, who works harder than a teacher?

The POLITICIANS ARE RESPONSIBLE for this countries condition. It is they who have created the circumstances of our downfall- in education, in our economy, in our infrastructure, our health care, our seniors insecurity.

They are distracting us from the evils they perpetrate. Corrupt politicians deregulated for the corporations. Laws were installed to facilitate the destruction of consumer protections and the environment. Many immunities protect the "government" from accountability. Wall street looted this country with complicit bankers and corporations. Banks were bailed out and not asked for accountability. We hold illegal wars and misplace billions of dollars and to no account.

Now, health care reform- a new mandated consumer market given to a corrupt corporate health sector, yet no requirements to cap the greed/profit and protect our people. No medical care for all.

Teachers, its a joke-on you. Teachers need to hit the streets and stop this take down of public education- for their own respect. Union leadership is the gateway for the sheep.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:09 AM
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32. total insanity!


teachers/schools should be the very last thing to be cut.

america so loves its children - - not.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:31 AM
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34. It's socipathic
We're just going to hand the nation's poor schoolchildren over to CEOs and billionaires. And it took the Democratic party to do the deed that the right wing think tanks have been slavering over for YEARS.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:50 AM
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35. When does phase II start
When do they start importing H1-Bs to replace the fired teachers?

You know that is the end step.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:52 AM
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36. this isn't about education.
this is union busting and privatization. our corporatist leader is a "free-market" reaganista.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 05:48 PM
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54. +1
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:24 AM
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76. Privatization, and probably also corporate thought control over schoolkids
The intrusions of corporate ideology and advertising into the classrooms will culminate in corporate sponsorships -- Walmart High -- and company schools.
The "education system" has been subjected to behind-the-scenes shaping by the elites since 1900, but the public was awake enough and the sense of democratic ideals high enough to allow citizenship to remain on the curriculum up into the 1980s. Since then, it's been eroding into consumerism and the acclimating of youth into autocracy.
Cognitive development in average kids is hampered by a culture that has made fearful and passive.

Track the kids wherever they are, don't let them ride their bikes to school, letting them walk it alone is "child neglect"..http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:53 AM
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37. A serious primary threat in 2012 will get this administration's attention. Emails & outrage will get
us absolutely nothing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:09 AM
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43. Really lets ya know where your country stands when they
throw out all the teachers, BUT insist on keeping the people that wrecked the economy. :eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 05:20 PM
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50. Good point. Keep the ones who wrecked the economy...fire the teachers.
It's really quite idiotic.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:04 PM
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44. Education by u-stream it's the way to go with guest celebs to keep their attention.
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 12:05 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:07 PM
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45. Has the president issued a public high five yet? n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 04:01 PM
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47. K&R . //nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 04:15 PM
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49. this is inevitable after the president supported such an act elsewhere
look for massive unemployed teachers and hiring of uncredited workers and online courses in their place.


sigh
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:49 PM
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60. It's soooo easy to sell this crap
The American parent poops the kid out, sends it to daycare forever and a day, sees it a couple of times before it graduates from high school and BLAMES the teachers for the idiot!!! Now, the administration is giving it just another way to say "I'm certainly am not responsible; it's those horrible child molesting, retard teachers". Well, here's the "funny--yuck, yuck thing". After the idiot finally is pushed out of high school (because no one wants to deal with the idiot anymore), the idiot is the parents problem FOREVER!!!--perhaps they can then blame it on the neighbors, the water, the teeeveee, the drug pushers...whatever...but they are still stuck with the idiot! What goes around, comes around..........
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:08 PM
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61. New interview question "Are you a Republican?"
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:40 PM
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62. Education spending is the most effective way to jump start the economy.
This explains the recent attack on education. The corporate masters in this country worked hard to engineer this recession. The last thing they want is more government spending on education that might help the economy.
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starzdust Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:34 PM
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67. Anyone interested in a comment from an in-service teacher?
I've been in teaching for over 30 years now. I have 4 degrees, 3 of 4 are advanced degrees in the field I teach. I have worked in the burbs school district in Scottsdale, AZ and in several upper middle class towns around Arizona. I am currently teaching on the Navajo reservation.

The pay is better here than in most school districts as the school is run by the BIA (federal employer/employee). I have excellent support for my science classes. The sad fact is that this is a third world environment and extremely remote; some homes have no running water, electricity or phone service. The school building is relatively of new construction but lacking in up to date technology such as phone lines into classrooms, computers that are connected up to a modern network, etc.....

The reading and math skill level of entering freshman are poor to non-existent. Forget parental support, too many of my students come from broken homes.

We do the best we can; we have made the A.Y.P. 5 of the 6 years I've been here, how that was accomplished isn't clear to me.

Every year administration (and governmental regulators) pile on new demands on teachers that we simply can't complete. My plate is piled high with responsibility with out any authority to succeed.

Yes, a middle class wage would help. However I would agree that parental support is also important.

However tying teacher wages directly to student achievement on test scores will only foster resentment from me. I have complained for years that parents and their children should be held accountable, equally as much as school staff.

I have been a union member for the entire time as an educator. From where I stand Duncan is not and will never be a friend to educators, neither is the rest of the Obama administration; they have sold out hook, line and sinker to the corporate take over of public education. I look forward to retirement.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:07 PM
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71. Ooh! Where on the Rez?
I taught for a month in college at Chinle High School. I loved every minute of it. I teach at an alternative high school now. I totally hear ya.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:44 PM
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68. In CA, the vast majority of educators to be laid off are because of the budget
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 08:45 PM by andym
CA is in a world of hurt and due to the recession and state budget shortfalls, there will be MUCH less money coming from the state.

Proposition 13 (property tax caps) is a major cause of the lack of funding at the local level. CA has gone from near the top of the nation in education in the early 70's to almost last place (49th) in 2009.
http://www.wavenewspapers.com/news/regional/37673589.html
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:49 PM
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69. All this is so frustrating. Here's a little of that good medicine.


Keep your spirits up.
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