FBI, ANT-TERROR TASK FORCE, HOMELAND SECURITY RAID TEA PARTY COMPOUND

[Beetwasher]

At least according to a Tea Party website. This relates to the busts of the militias.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/28/851762/-FBI-Raid-Militia-in-Michigan

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/forum/topics/fbi-raids-tea-party-compound?page=1&commentId=2978134%3AComment%3A283894&x=1#2978134Comment283894

[havocmom]

1. Tea Party Patriots admitting to selling pipe bombs?

:rofl: They just don't think things through, do they?

[Hoopla Phil]

Can you please source the Pipe bomb info? I've read it in several places but

no one can confirm it. The feds will not make any comment on what this is all about.

[havocmom]

30. FOX news report. OP in LBN

[Hoopla Phil]

33. I read that, those reports are also un-sourced.

[Jennicut]

2. They were making pipe bombs I heard.

The start of major domestic terrorism?

[Hoopla Phil]

27. But where is the source of the pipe bomb info?

The feds are not talking so. . .

[salin]

31. here you go

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/

[Hoopla Phil]

34. That is misleading on the source. Please note:

"An official for the FBI's Michigan bureau said initial court appearances are expected in Michigan on Monday." The claim about pipe bombs is not sourced.

It is typical clever faux reporting.

[KittyWampus]

3. And someone smacks down the stupid assertion those raids had ANYTHING to do with Teabaggers

From that website:

"I expect malicious, sloppy reporting from the main stream media, but not from our own members. There is nothing in these reports that suggest the militia members were associated with the Tea Party. On one of your links, it goes to a blog that makes the same assumption you do, but when you click their link to go to the original story, it has no information about Tea Party members being arrested, let alone having a "compound.""

[Beetwasher]

6. Not My Assertion

I report, you decide.

[KittyWampus]

8. Funny, I didn't specify you as making the assertion. In fact, I clearly posted a quote from another

blogger from same website.

[Beetwasher]

10. So?

I report you decide.

[KittyWampus]

11. So? I went to your link and followed up with another Teabaggers quote. I reported MORE info

from your same source.

[Beetwasher]

54. So?

Am I suppesed to b impressed?

[SpiralHawk]

25. Put down that TeaBag, and back away slowly

or it's off to a TeaBagland Detention Camp for you, and you WILL be subjected to TeaBoarding by Wide-Stance, Diaper-Clad Republicon Fellow Travelers.

[NoSheep]

87. ROFLMAO

[Gman2]

41. Did you hear them defend pipe bombers? They are the same.

And that they could even entertain that it was a Tea Party COMPOUND, says lots.

[chill_wind]

4. Excellent find. Any more questions, CNN, MSNBC?

K & R.

[Barack_America]

5. I always suspected the Tea Party was associated with terrorism.

I'm glad they were so eager to confirm this for everybody.

:crazy:

[KittyWampus]

7. It isn't. And Beetwasher posted just one post from someone on a blog.

[Beetwasher]

9. How Do You Know It Isn't?

I don't know it that it is, I don't know that it isn't. I report, you decide.

[KittyWampus]

14. And I reported MORE info from your same source.

[Beetwasher]

55. So?

Do u have a point?

[KittyWampus]

63. You are the one who feels compelled to tag onto my posts Beetwasher. What's YOUR point?

[Beetwasher]

65. LOL umm It's My Thread

u replied to me I reply to you. That's how a discussion board works.

[KittyWampus]

70. "Your" Thread? LOL. And I didn't originally reply to you personally on THIS thread. I pointed out

that the assertion in the OP is from one Teabagger moron on a Teabagger website and that other Teabaggers smacked that assertion down.

Apparently you have a problem with myself and other DU'ers pointing out that the assertion made is bullshit.

[Beetwasher]

75. I'm Not Allowed to Reply To People Posting In my Op?

Who's the one who's got a problem? :rofl:

Why do you hate America? Yr making Jesus cry with yr hatred. :rofl:

[chill_wind]

23. We'll know if/when the Tea Party in the ranks and in the Congressional GOP

condemns, disowns and disassociates themselves from RW extremist groups such as these.


And if recent events of all last week are any indicator, I'm pretty sure we're not going to see that happen...

They have a choice: Condemn and disown. Or defend and condone. AFAIK, after last week's choices, they own them.

[Garbo 2004]

24. The post uses a digg.com link with a misleading headline.

http://digg.com/world_news/FBI_raids_Tea_Party_Compound The article it links to does not mention "tea party compound."

[Beetwasher]

57. So?

[kestrel91316]

48. My gut response when I see THAT person defending teaklanners???

Not surprising at ALL.

[KittyWampus]

59. go ahead and explain HOW I "defended" teaklanners? Here's photo of Teabaggers-

they're not the sort to get up early on weekends for paramilitary training.



MY GUT RESPONSE WHEN YOU DECIDE TO TRY AND TRASH ANOTHER DU'ER WITH STOOPID?

Not surprising at all

[chill_wind]

82. We've seen the spectrum of age and gender at past Palin rallies.

It's not limited to passive seniors, fun photos from a recent event nothwithstanding.

It's not all that difficult to realize the radical right encompasses quite a witch's brew of the
so-called Libertarian to Hard Right to outright extreme right subfactions (rad religious right theofascists and doomsday cults, militant NRA fearing the NWO, militias, white supremacists & Christian Identity, neo-nazis..)
and that not all stay confined in their respective RW sub-factions, but intersect at lots of points.

No, I don't think one can claim all teabaggers are militia or that all militia are teabaggers- BUT

Tea baggers claimed they made HCR their defining issue. Who were making all those death threats to Congress
this past week (and hurling bricks at the behest of who, again?) in the wake of passage of HCR and the abortion wedge issue? How would you define that kind of activity? Do you really think there is not a certain amount of shared ideology, sympathy and at times cooperative activity?

[chill_wind]

85. Gun-toting Teabagger Rally (Alamogordo) Jan 2010 video

http://www.philly2philly.com/politics_community/politics_community_articles/2010/3/25/43590/militia_movement_influence_could_dest

No, it doesn't support a notion that all teabaggers are militia-minded or that all militia are teabaggers,
but the political intersections of the fear and paranoia are probably common enough in plenty of parts of the country.

[havocmom]

12. Thinking it was to illustrate how the wingers like to distort reality to justify persecution complex

Thinkin that is why the topic got posted. But then, I usually try to look for best motives for people's actions.

Frankly, I am glad the beet posted OP. We knew this bust would get twisted and the wingers would work at revisionist history of the event for propaganda purposes. It's good to keep up with what they are doing so we can meet delusion with facts.

[Barack_America]

13. The FBI raided groups suspected of manufacturing and selling pipe bombs.

This site is claiming those groups to be related to the Tea Party.

Not a huge jump to say the Tea Party associates with terrorists.

[KittyWampus]

16. No, one poster on that site is making a claim. And another poster refutes it.

[Barack_America]

17. Listen, I understand that, I'm just not going to defend them...

...and sort out their twisted logic for them.

If they want to make their own noose, I am more than happy to let them hang themselves with it.

If this fool wants to excitedly proclaim the Tea Party is affiliated with domestic terrorists, I am more than happy to play along.

[Beetwasher]

58. It's Funny, Ain't It?

I just like to sit back and have a good chuckle at some of the things that come out of the woodwork.

[Barack_America]

60. Check this one out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8037711#8038223

[Beetwasher]

84. LOL

Never ceases to amaze.

[KittyWampus]

61. possibly pushing a bunch of older white Americans who trend racist into the column

of militia types who train to use guns on the weekends is stupid and totally unhelpful.

Maybe, just maybe, it's better to get these Teabaggers to back away from the crazy and the violent.

[Beetwasher]

68. Who's Doing That?

[safeinOhio]

I just heard that it

is NOT an ACLU cell that was raided.

stay tuned. more news at 6:00.

[Hoopla Phil]

28. Can you please source the Pipe bomb info? I've read it in several places but

no one can confirm it. The feds will not make any comment on what this is all about.

[Barack_America]

32. Surely.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8037711&mesg_id=8037711

Just from FoxNews thus far. No word whether they got the information from the Feds or the Militias as we know they have insiders with both.

[Hoopla Phil]

35. BUT the pipe bomb assertion is not sourced.

"An official for the FBI's Michigan bureau said initial court appearances are expected in Michigan on Monday."

Notice the pipe bomb info gives the impression that the feds made that claim but they did not. Typical faux reporting.

[Barack_America]

37. Two possibilities: 1. FoxNews got that info from the militias themselves...

...a "source" they would certainly not be eager to admit to.

or

2. They got the information from the Feds but it was off-the-record.

[Hoopla Phil]

38. Or 3

they picked it up from an internet rumor. That would not be the first time for such to be the case.

It may very well be pipe bombs, but it is still unsourced. Faux is not even saying "anonymous sources say. . ." They are just throwing it out there.

[Barack_America]

42. FoxNews looking to associate RWers with domestic terrorism?

Oh yeah, that's REALLY likely.

As I pointed out to you in another post, Fox's own playing down of the news suggests that this was NOT something they were eager to report. My guess is that they wanted to get it out there that it was "only pipe bombs" before the grand jury charges come out.

[Bitwit1234]

15. tea bags same as the KKK no difference arrest em all.

[Name removed]

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[951-Riverside]

71. "YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL IDIOTS! RADICAL, COMMUNIST, MARXIST, IDIOTS!!!"

You made a valid point at the beginning but you lost the argument when you decided to add that little part in.

Buh Bye Now.

[Garbo 2004]

18. A poster there got headline from digg link But article linked to says nothing about

"tea party compound." Evidently they're yanking their own chains over there.

Digg: http://digg.com/world_news/FBI_raids_Tea_Party_Compound

[WillyT]

19. More Here:

Massive Federal Raid in Lenawee County
Last Update: 12:35 pm

<snip>

DRIAN, Mich. (WXYZ) - The FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are all involved in raids around Adrian that may be connected to a militia group.

The FBI conducted multiple raids throughout Saturday and into Sunday, with one of them centered on a property where known members of a militia live. The land is owned by a man who lives in a house on the property. His sons live in two mobile homes that are also on the property. Saturday's raids were concentrated on those mobile homes.

Helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of the night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area, including in Sand Creek and Clayton in Lenawee County. Witnesses tell Action News that it was like a small army had descended on the area.

A command center, including two satellite trucks and a radio tower, had been set up at the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Department in Ann Arbor. It has since been dismantled.

Federal agents will not comment on the investigation, only saying that they are serving a number of search warrants and that the warrants are sealed. Action News has learned that an unknown number of arrests have also been made. An unconfirmed report indicated that at least six people were arrested coming into Michigan from Ohio.

Members of a number of militia groups say that the raids are connected to raids in Indiana and Ohio. However, the FBI has not confirmed that.

<snip>

Link: http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopular/story/Massive-Federal-Raid-in-Lenawee-County/eE6ZljBWa0uFOMUdtOLzvw.cspx

And don't forget to check out the comments: http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopular/story/Massive-Federal-Raid-in-Lenawee-County/eE6ZljBWa0uFOMUdtOLzvw.cspx?p=Comments

:wow:

[WillyT]

29. All I Could Find On Indiana... Which Ain't Much...

<snip>

FBI agents raid Hammond location
March 27, 2010 10:08 PM | 4 Comments

Hammond police assisted with an FBI raid Saturday evening in the Indiana city, but federal officials would not release any details.

Hammond officials did not know the circumstances surrounding the raid, which began about 7 p.m. and lasted two hours, said a police dispatcher.

The raid occurred on the 1900 block of Calumet Avenue, the dispatcher said. There were no injuries reported.

He said police were not notified ahead of time and only provided traffic control.

"We didn't even know about it until they said, 'hey we need your guys,'" he said.

A representative at the Chicago office of the FBI had no comment Saturday night, saying details might be available Sunday.

-- Jared S. Hopkins

<snip>

Link: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/fbi-agents-raid-hammond-location.html

:shrug:

[WillyT]

36. Meanwhile... In Ohio:

From the Toledo Blade:

In Ohio, FBI agents from Cleveland arrested two individuals in Sandusky and Huron Saturday, according to Scott Wilson, FBI spokesman.

He could not say whether those arrests were related to the activities in southeast Michigan, but said more information would be released once the warrants were unsealed in federal court as early as Monday.

'I won't be able to comment on the depth of this case until everything is unsealed, and it will be,' Mr. Wilson said.

Link: http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100328/NEWS02/100329720

I guess we'll know tomorrow.

:shrug:

[WillyT]

40. Fox Is The Only One Mentioning Pipe Bombs... So Far...

Seven people have been arrested for allegedly selling pipe bombs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, Fox News has learned.

The arrests and raids in Michigan and Indianapolis are related to alleged militia activity in the region, but are not related to international terrorism. There is not a current threat to the public, according to a law enforcement source.

An official for the FBI's Michigan bureau said initial court appearances are expected in Michigan on Monday.

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/

:shrug:

[FirstLight]

20. good!

Though the reverb from the whack-jobs is not comforting(view comments at the You tube link), I hope to see more of this in the next few weeks. ALL threats and actions of this nature should get investigated & busted!

You know the irony is that the RW were the ones behind the Patriot Act, etc... but it may end up being useful in corralling the militants. Perhaps Obama foresaw this (and he was getting threats from day one) and that's why he allowed the Patriot Act to continue. It's funny that we can use their own legislation against them in this way...

[NJmaverick]

21. Tea Party Terrorists to be more precise

[my2sense]

22. good n/t

[Fleshdancer]

26. I wonder if they're applauding the Patriot Act now

$100 says they bitch and moan over the what these agencies are now able to do even though they made fun of people like Michael Moore for speaking out against it.

[Kingofalldems]

39. Confiscate all guns owned by freepers and teabaggers.

[Fading Captain]

43. Get your facts straight.

While I have no doubt that some Tea Partiers and Militia members ahare values, I highly doubt that most Tea Partiers are involved in militia activities.

We shouldn't be so careless with the truth.

[kestrel91316]

49. IMHO it's likely that ALL teaklanners DO support the ones who overtly call for

violent overthrow of the legitimately elected US government. They just are too cowardly to come out and say as much themselves.

[Fading Captain]

52. Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts.

I'm not going to paint people with such a broad brush, however much I might wish to do so.

[kestrel91316]

56. When they gleefully provide both the paint and the brush, I am more than happy

to do the honors.

[Beetwasher]

53. I Didn't Assert Any Facts

This is not my story, I jus linked to it.

[anigbrowl]

83. Agreed. I can't blame the OP for the wilder speculation favored by some in the thread.

Although I also agree with Fading Captain that people should be mindful of not mistaking opinion for fact.

[drm604]

44. That doesn't seem like a reliable source.

That website says:

Several media outlets report that the FBI conducted raids on Saturday night and Sunday morning at several locations in Washtenaw and Lenewee counties in Michigan. Homeland Security and the Joint Anti-terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids on a Tea Party Compound.

then gives a link to a Digg page that says the exact same thing. The Digg page then references the Ann Arbor Chronicle as the source for that, but the Ann Arbor Chronicle does not use the words "tea" or "party" but references http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopular/story/Massive-Federal-Raid-in-Lenawee-County/eE6ZljBWa0uFOMUdtOLzvw.cspx which also does not have any references to any teaparty group. So either wxyz and the AA Chronicle both removed a reference at some point or somebody added in the teaparty stuff.

The original source does not currently mention anything about a teaparty group. (I'm not defending teabaggers, just pointing out that this seems to be a claim without any valid source.)

[mzmolly]

45. They had a compound?

:crazy:

[Barack_America]

46. The "compound" seems to be one house and two trailers.

[951-Riverside]

76. Typical.

Let me guess, tons of inbreeding too?

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Ok this means one thing

at least SOME in the Tea Party Movement ARE tied to militias... now talk about getting the full attention of the feds on you?

Breitbart should have a hell of a time 'splaining this to David Shuster.

[Garbo 2004]

50. How does a misleading digg.com link title show that tea party tied to militias?

http://digg.com/world_news/FBI_raids_Tea_Party_Compound is where the title came from OP at the tea party site and here. The article it links to says nothing about militia. As posters at tea party site also point out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. The tea party has been going out of it;s way to keep

them out, so have the Oathkeepers.

Call it a hunch, but some of our tea party members, not the leaders mind you, ARE tied to the militias.

And the leaders will have a hell of a time explaining this if a good reporter asks the right questions.

And yes quite a bit of the rank and file in certain regions of the country, not just Michigan, east of me too, are part of the looney right and part of militias and christian identity and a few others.

So this is not your misleading link...

Now I don't expect you to take my word for it... but if you can find it, read "fire across the plain" The book is on the militia movement in the 1990s... and yes you too will see the damn connections.

[Garbo 2004]

62. A hunch & probability is one thing. But this thread means nothing in terms of

proving or showing a link, which is my point.

One may assume there likely are "fellow travelers" among tea party folks, but that's another matter.

[Beetwasher]

66. Did Anyone claim it proves anything?

[KittyWampus]

67. you going to make some more veiled attempts at calling another DU'er a troll? Because they dare

point out the obvious?

[Beetwasher]

69. Where Did I Do That?

My oh my aren't u defensive! :rofl:

[KittyWampus]

72. I've been on DU as long, if not longer than you Beetwasher- you're the one defensive upthread

and it's actually obvious.

And I see you're also attempting your juvenile "so" game on another DU'er.


58. It's Funny, Ain't It?

I just like to sit back and have a good chuckle at some of the things that come out of the woodwork.

[Beetwasher]

77. Ooohh! Yr a big man!

So?:rofl:

[Garbo 2004]

79. I was responding to poster who said "this means one thing...at least SOME in the Tea Party

Movement ARE tied to militias.."

When of course this thread, the original post at the other site, and the digg link don't mean or signify anything of the sort.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. How about the article on Mother Jones on the Oathkeepers?

And nobody has claimed a thing... but this OP is not an outlier knowing what i know about the Militias, which I am willing to bet is MORE than the average person. I did quite a bit of research on them back in the day for a novel. You know why the novel never saw the light of day? Columbine.

But some of the things I plotted in there as well PLOT, have come to be. Can you say OKC? What about a plane, small mind you, going against a building housing Federal Offices? I could go on. And if you think these guys are not fellow travelers, I suggest you go to a Tea Party Rally... and prepare to be surprised.

[Garbo 2004]

81. Again, I'm not arguing that there may not be connections, just that this thread

and its source doesn't "mean" or signify anything particular in that regard.

As I said, there likely are "fellow travelers" to the militia movement etc. in the tea party movement. I'm not questioning that.

But I'm sure your sources are far more substantive than the source of this thread. So please post some info if you have the time and wish to in a separate thread for a serious discussion and more valuable information. I'm not being snarky or arguing with your view.

[seabeyond]

74. per another thread about a soldier, we should have many people on du defending these violent people

and their right to build the bombs, and be a threat. how dare all these govt agencies deem it necessary to intercept on the behalf of the govt and innocent american people. because after all, it is both sides doing this and we would surely be outraged if these agencies came after the dems

[951-Riverside]

80. The only thing that separates DU from FR is a party line but...

The nuts who post on these forums are pretty much the same, they make the same wild arguments to support their warped political views. For these nutjobs its not about doing whats right or whats in the best interest of America, its about left vs. right, winning vs. losing and my guy vs. their guy.

I realize this each time I see an anti-war protest or a tea party rally, some of the people there don't believe in what they're doing fundamentally. They're only protesting to "win".

[kjones]

86. I'd hope that's only a small segment, but probably not.

I mean, look at all that posturing.

(pretty much throughout this thread)

Wouldn't it be better to wait for the full story to come out tomorrow, everybody?

[Maru Kitteh]

78. k & r