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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:01 PM
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Now that health insurance is fixed, they need to fix the health care system
Cuz if my experience in the ER this morning is any example of what is out there, access will not be the fix all.
I chipped a tooth a few weeks ago, was planning a trip to a dentist ASAP but before I could, the rt side of my face swelled up (from my eye to my jaw to my ear within 24 hrs this weekend). I initially thought last night I would go to a Primacare, get an oral antibiotic and a handful of pain pills to last til a dentist visit this week perhaps-- since over the counter was not cutting it.
Woke up and found the pain/swelling had gone beyond a Primacare visit fix and headed to our local ER.
Initially the ER doc and the staff told me I did the right thing cuz Primacare would have sent me their way ASAP. Then the doc comes in and says "wooooaahhh, impressive" when he saw volleyball size swelling.
He returns and tells me he was going to give me a rx for oral antibiotics and give me the # of an oral surgeon and then send me home. Ummmmm, I tell him, Primacare could done that. Pretty sure I need a one time IV antibiotic dose to jump start infection fighting AND some pills and a one time steroid dose to bring the swelling down. Longer story shorter, he gave me song and dance on why I was wrong (steroids will depress your immune system----ONE dose, dude, not long term therapy). "IV form is the same as pills". Guy, I am an ***RN***, pill antibiotic doesn't equal IV form.
He relented but not until he gave me a snotty "Gee, since you are a nurse, what kind of antibiotic do YOU want".
Pain management sucked..they never offered me a pain pill despite my 8 out of 10 pain rating..twice I told them. Their reason: we just ASSUMED you drove yourself and didn't want you drugged on the way home. Great, except they assumed and never asked me if that was the case. I had plans to be driven home.
I finally got the steroid shot, swelling went down by half, they did a CT and found no abcess but alot of soft tissue swelling (ya think??).
Got my antibiotic pills, pain pills, and some nausea med and will call an oral surgeon this week.
BOTTOM LINE, POTUS and his peeps better put in place some stuff to prevent sloppy "treat them and street them" (health care lingo for fix the problem long enough to get them out of the ER) or this whole health care insurance reform will mean nothing. Especially for patients who are NOT in the medical field and don't know any better.

And yes, I will be writing the hospital admins a letter.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:05 PM
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1. Health insurance is fixed?
I didn't know that sticking a bunch of poor people with low actuarial valued for-profit private plans, paid for out of the government's coffers, constituted it being "fixed".
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:29 PM
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2. I agree
But we don't wanna make this too much of a semantic effort. They barely understand the concept of health CARE reform versus health INSURANCE reform. Little time to discuss the difference between "fixed" and "marginal improvement".
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:05 PM
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8. Because of course sticking them on a 0% actuarial value plan is working out very well for them
Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 09:06 PM by BzaDem
Only on DU would someone favor the current 0% status quo over 70% actuarial value (subsidies go towards silver plan) + generous cost sharing/deductible help for the poor.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 11:28 PM
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19. So that constitutes a "fix"?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:21 AM
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23. It's generous to the poor to require them to purchase insurance if they don't qualify
For subsidized private health insurance that is inferior to what the ruling-class political activists on the Internet get.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:01 AM
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24. Why wouldn't the poor qualify for subsidies?
I thought families of 4 making up to 88k/year get subsidies on a sliding scale.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:10 PM
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9. "fixed"...
as in "rigged"
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:09 PM
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13. Who told you it would be paid for? There will be no public option.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/25/dem-senators-unenthusiast_n_513078.html

Not that one would matter, because the events of the past few weeks have proven:

1. Most so-called politically minded folk have the attention span of gnats and
can be whipped up to support anything so long as it fucks the people they hate.

2. Most Dems and Republicans hate the poor. It's an American tradition to spit
on the poor. The deadbeat uninsured are to blame for our high health costs, remember?

3. The architects of HCR said from the very beginning that the public option was
intended to be restricted to a very, very small number of "charity cases". With
the goal of giving people the illusion of choice, allowing people who absolutely
cannot pay the fine to go somewhere. The "public option" was designed to be
paid for with fines on the working poor who "can afford private health
insurance and choose not to."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:49 PM
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16. +10,000!!! EOM
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 11:28 PM
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18. By paid for, I'm referring to subsidies
Public money sent to private corporations to provide a service that the government could provide more cheaply and ethically.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:42 AM
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20. Yep. n/t
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:48 PM
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15. That Was My Question As Well.
I'll assume from the OP that somehow we now have universal health care. I don't know how they snuck it in, and how I missed it, but good work, Congress!
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:46 AM
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21. The goal is Universal Compulsory Health Insurance, not Universal Health Care.
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 09:50 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Jon Stewart lampoons the tea baggers, noting that they have Universal Compulsory Health Insurance in Czech thanks to Reagan -- I mean, um, thanks to Vaclav Havel (you know, the guy who tried to make Kieth Richards or some rock musician part of his cabinet because he credited rock music with inspiring him to change the system). Because they hated the abuses of communism, so they privatized health care, I guess. After all, it's what America, the land of freedom, was advocating at the time. (Reagan had just left office). And now we are supposed to do the same thing because it's progressive to stand in opposition to both socialism and libertarianism, I guess. It's called neoliberalism. So we adopt mandatory privatized health care and call it part of the New Deal tradition. (Of course, some of the New Deal programs were not all that progressive either, but the difference was, FDR was willing to throw bad ideas in the trash.)

In short, they are using liberal ideas as a straw man in order to attack the far right for opposing the center right.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:35 PM
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3. "Fixed"? Seriously?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:58 PM
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6. Well, it is fixed....
Just not for us. The back room deals made during the fair and open debate on "health" care reform made sure of that.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:40 PM
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4. Sounds like
he probably should have consulted the oral surgeon on call.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:01 PM
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7. I asked about that.
Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 09:08 PM by rainbow4321
He just kinda snorted and said "not on a Sunday..." This at a facility that is trying to get a higher level of trauma rating in the area.
Guess my numb/hugely swollen/drooling from the right side of my mouth face was not worthy of at least a CALL to the oral surgeon.
One of the things that got me was when he was trying to push the "here's a bottle of antibiotics and you are outta here" was I'm paying $100 co pay for this when I could have paid a $35 copay at Primacare for the SAME thing??
I was very clear to the ER staff and the Er doc when I got there about how I bypassed Primacare cuz the swelling had become more emergent and I felt the ER was more equipped to handle it (tests, IV drugs, etc..). And their initial response was "you are right..they would have sent you right to us". And then not 15 minutes later they try to give me the same care Primare would have given me?? At triple the co pay? Don't think so.

But my biggest concern over that was taking the pill rx, going home, and not knowing if my airway was about to close up on me since the swelling was spreading below my jaw at that point. His arrogance about doing ANY kind of diagnostic test or preventative drugs (i.e a single dose of an IV push steroid and one bag of antibiotic while I was there) is what got me putting my foot down with him. Normally, the last thing I do as a patient is tell the healthcare provider I am a nurse..til things start to look shady and I think the lack of care is potentially endangering me or a family member's well being.
He got a taste of that..and didn't pop only his head in again til the very end of my visit to tell me about what rx he was sending home with me and the results of my CT test.

I'm just afraid we will see an increase in this kind of behavior when the reforms kick in and ER's and clinics see a potentially large increase in patients seeking care.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:15 PM
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10. Just curious...
Approximately how old was he?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:26 PM
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11. I'd say mid 30's? Late, at the most.
The ER uses rent a docs in their ER so he may very well have been a fly by.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:44 PM
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12. Alas.
Young rent-a-doc is a bad draw indeed. Better luck next time! Good luck with the tooth!
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 08:46 PM
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5. HR 4789, baby!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:46 PM
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14. what ever happened to HEALTH "CARE" REFORM??..never mind..I know, we got insurance for all!!
at a very high price to CARE!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:56 PM
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17. I hate to break this to you, but the MANDATE is supposed to fix the ER situation.
At least that's what the Heritage Foundation said.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/12/The-Crisis-in-Americas-Emergency-Rooms-and-What-Can-Be-Done

Check it out. This is where HCR came from.


"....Emergency medicine encompasses the care of patients with traumatic injuries or serious signs and symptoms of disease. Quick evaluation and rapid treatment of these patients obviously cannot be done on an "elective" basis. These services are invariably provided under the auspices of a hospital and are available to patients 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Moreover, hospital emergency departments (EDs) are the only part of the health care system that is required by federal law to provide care to all patients, regardless of ability to pay.<1> A sizable number of patients who visit the ED do not require the level of care that an emergency room provides. In Maryland, for example, patients with non-urgent medical problems account for over 40 percent of ED visits.<2>
Jammed with increasing numbers of uninsured Americans and enrollees in public programs, emergency rooms find their overcrowding further aggravated by outdated federal and state policies. Worse, while many emergency rooms are already operating at peak capacity on a day-to-day basis, the emergency medical system is incapable of absorbing the massive surge in demand for emergency medical assistance that would follow a natural disaster or terrorist attack....

....Step #1: Rapidly expand private health coverage to include the uninsured.

The first step in reforming the emergency medical system is to reduce its inappropriate use by patients who could safely be seen elsewhere. For example, growing numbers of uninsured Americans frequently lack regular primary care, and the ED often fills the gap. Covering the uninsured for non-emergent care-if done correctly-is an essential element of emergency medical reform and would certainly help to reduce the strain on the system. Patients would then be more likely to receive regular care (including preventive services), have less need for the ED, and avoid costly hospital admissions.

The data indicate that simply moving the uninsured into public programs such as Medicaid and SCHIP might not solve the ED demand crisis and could even exacerbate the problem. According to a recent National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey, patients with Medicaid as the expected source of payment used hospital emergency departments in 2004 at nearly twice the rate of the uninsured and at four times the rate of the privately insured. Moreover, more ED visits by Medicaid and SCHIP patients (35.7 percent) were classified as non-urgent or semi-urgent than were visits by self-paying patients (23.7 percent).<39>

The number of Medicaid-eligible patients who initially present to the emergency department as uninsured and are eventually converted to Medicaid is unknown, but it is not likely to be large enough to have any significant effect on the data reported in the NHAMCS study.<40> However, a major cause of these disparities is probably the lack of a sufficient number of primary care doctors available to Medicaid patients. This is likely a natural response to Medicaid's very low physician reimbursement rates in many states.

Thus, the most effective way to reduce inappropriate ED utilization is to institute sound "premium support" programs that would enable Medicaid patients to purchase quality private health insurance coverage with better access to care. The right policy is to integrate the working uninsured population and non-disabled Medicaid and SCHIP beneficiaries into a reformed private health insurance market....."
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:53 AM
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22. Nikki, can you, or I, or someone make this an OP?
Or was it already an OP and ignored,

like the post I made asking if people understood the economics of regulated utilities that customers are required to purchase, and the only replies were anti-intellectual remarks?
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