The word patriot now means moron in my opinion.

[SolidGold]

The word Patriot, its history, and its principals used to mean a lot to people in this country. Over the last 2 or 3 years the right has twisted this term to be anyone who opposes the government (when dems are in power). Half of these people or more are drooling buffoons. They are essentially sheep on their way to the slaughter following lock and step with the demagogues that fuel them.

If someone tells me they are a patriot or calls people 'true patriots' you can safely assume its a group of ignorant white people over the age of 35 who skipped or ignored history class all through school. You can also safely assume that they just found out about the constitution after they were whiping their asses with it for 8 years.

Patriot no longer means someone who's for their country and their fellow citizen, patriot now means you're a puppet buffoon of the whitewing agenda.

[Codeine]

1. Bullshit.

I am a liberal patriot, a progressive patriot. Don't allow douchenozzles like the Tealiban to co-opt words.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. What you said! +1!

[Biker13]

6. I will second that, Codeine.

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[Codeine]

32. Made that up?

I'm not saying some I'm some sort of special patriot called a "liberal patrriot", I'm a PATRIOT who also happens to be liberal, thus disproving your utterly nonsensical and frankly insulting broadbrush post. I didn't "make up" anything.

Your OP sucks. So does dubstep, but that's beside the point. ;)

:patriot:

[SolidGold]

38. Actually, yes you did make that up - now you are back peddling to save face.

Look, you say one thing but mean another - you can't just slam a word on the front of patriot and make up a new understanding of what it is.

Besides that if you actually knew the definition of patriot you would understand that affixing the word liberal to the beginning of it makes no fucking sense. You're the exact type of person I'm talking about in my post. You call yourself a patriot but you don't even know what the word means!!!

Your opinion is noted and laughed upon :)


"I am a liberal patriot, a progressive patriot."

No, you're an ignorant person who doesn't know what the definition of patriot is. By ignorant I mean exactly that, a person lacking understanding.

[Codeine]

43. A patriot is a person who loves and supports his or her country.

I am - by definition - a patriot.

A liberal is a person who favors progress and reform.

I am - by definition - a liberal.

Thus I am - again, by definition - a liberal patriot, just as I am a balding patriot, a green-eyed patriot, or a vegan patriot. If you choose to consider me ignorant or moronic in order to inflate our obviously overblown sense of self-importance, so be it. Your opinion has been noted and rejected by the vast majority of posters, none of whom are moronic in my eyes, even though I've fought with many of them before.

Your attitude and demeanor will see you tombstoned soon enough. :hi:

[SolidGold]

46. This isn't how english works sadly.....

But if you keep wishing maybe they'll ban me for pointing that out to you. Somehow I doubt that.

If they did ban me I guess that would make me a banned patriot? Perhaps right now I am a SolidGold Patriot and when I get on youtube I'm a youtube patriot. Perhaps since I like video games that makes me a Metal Gear Patriot. I like to eat a lot of whole grains, so perhaps I'm also a whole grain patriot.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds and how very little sense it makes? I'm guessing you don't. Sorry I had to point that out to you but it will help you not look like a baffoon in public.

Also, just because people agree with you - doesn't make you right. I'm positive lots of people agree with the "True Teaparty Patriots" that THEY are in fact the REAL patriots. So does majority agreement make it so?

[Marr]

48. You are making no sense at all.

I can only suggest you learn a bit about the english language. You might start with this fun cartoon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qUd2KHv7Ec

[Codeine]

51. You're laboring under the misconception

that the antecedent is being used to redefine the word; "liberal" does not redefine "patriot" any more than "red" redefines "car." I am a liberal patriot; i.e. a liberal who is a patriot. The first does not change the second any more than the second precludes the first, as you would contend that is does.

You're also convinced that you've redefined the word "patriot." You have not.

Those who would endeavor to avoid looking a buffoon in public would do well to learn how the word is spelled. ;)

>I'm positive lots of people agree with the "True Teaparty Patriots" that THEY are in fact the REAL patriots. So does majority agreement make it so?

Sadly, the only person who seems to agree that the Tealiban are the real patriots is YOU, as you've allowed them ownership of the word, thus yielding the field to your enemy. I shan't give them that consideration.

[SolidGold]

53. Wow - English 101 guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective#Form

[Marr]

55. Congratulations-- you found the key word. Now read and understand the page.

In this thread, I've seen you display an ignorance of simple adjectives, assert that ingratiate and ingrate are synonymous, and argue that the popular usage of a word by a small group changes the definition of that word. You know how the loudest guy at the bar is usually the most ignorant fuck in the room? Do you see where I'm going?

[Codeine]

66. He seems to have fled the field.

A little Wiki is a dangerous thing.

[Codeine]

56. The adjective supplies more information about the noun.

It does not redefine said noun. Thus "liberal patriot" describes a patriot who is liberal. Simple stuff.

"Tall person" describes a person who is tall; it does not mean that those who are not tall are no longer described as persons or that "person" has been redefined.

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[Codeine]

60. I consider it an honor

to be considerd an idiot by you, sir.

Just another LIBERAL VEGAN PATRIOT! :patriot:

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[sarge43]

36. Thank you Codeine. Well said. n/t

[tom_paine]

42. +1

:patriot:

[babylonsister]

3. Wow, broad brush you have there. I'm over 35, white, and consider

myself a patriot, as well as a Democrat. You got a problem with that, too bad.

[stray cat]

4. Words have real meanings regardless of ones opinion; why not show what true patriotism is.

of course I'm not much of a patriot as I have not put my life on the line for anyone. However, if you denigrate true patriotism I assume you have earned the right?

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. It does get used a lot, doesn't it?

[yankeepants]

11. How about "Hero"

After 9/11 everyone became one. I can't even use the word anymore.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Yes, it's easier to find the non-heroes.

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[MineralMan]

19. Wow! You really know how to ingratiate yourself with people

in this forum, don't you?

[SolidGold]

26. by integrate do you mean raise my post count so i'm no longer a freeper?

Cause you 1000+ posters are really welcoming. You remind me of the people on Dogs on Acid before the removed post count and registration date because people were all mental over who registered first and posted the most.

I'll repeat again, post counts are like big trucks, they don't make your penis any larger no matter how much you wish it did.

By penis I mean your opinion.

[MineralMan]

28. Integrate? I didn't use that word.

Please reread the post. You can look up the word I used in any online dictionary if it is not familiar to you.

My opinion is not a penis, either. An opinion has a much different function than a penis, and is located somewhere else on the body. I can see that you are having trouble with word definitions, but that's OK. DU welcomes people with all sorts of disabilities.

[SolidGold]

29. Maybe you misread, it means the same thing pal.

You must be boring as fuck at parties taking everything so seriously. Next time you think someone misread perhaps you should revisit what ingratiate and integrate mean.

Let me just clarify this for you and the original person accusing me of being a freeper cause I have a low post count - regardless of your post count your opinions are all equal to me. If you find more value in someone with a higher post count then don't reply to me and don't assume I'm here to make friends with people. I'm strong willed, heavily opinionated, and won't pretend to be someone else to make you feel better.

[MineralMan]

31. Here's the deal at DU:

You post. Other DUers reply. You don't get to tell me or anyone else not to reply to your posts. That's how it works. You may not like my replies, and that's OK with me.

I do take things seriously when the topic is serious. I take patriotism seriously. In other threads, I use humor to make my point. This is not one of those threads.

I don't care about post counts. I started here with a zero post count, too, as did every other poster on this forum.

Finally, integrate and ingratiate do not mean the same thing at all.

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[SolidGold]

40. Where are you going? I won't get banned or leave lol

I've been using forums since you had to dial into them to post and I've yet to be banned from one. Don't hold your breath.

Unless one of the rules are "you can't disagree with other posters" I see nothing wrong with my posts. Other than the fact that they aren't pleasing to someone with context issues.

[Codeine]

67. Hmmmm.

Your tombstone says otherwise.

[Forkboy]

69. LOL

[MineralMan]

39. Good luck with all that, then...

[unpossibles]

8. they can call themselves pilots

but that doesn't mean they can fly.

FWIW, they've tried to own "patriot" for decades, and I refuse to let them.

[KharmaTrain]

10. They've Perverted The Word...As Well As "Freedom"

They throw around a lot of words and talking points they have no clue what they mean. The have their own coded language that has evolved over the past 30 years...dog whistles and catch phrases they throw around that feel good and cover up the true intentions of the more sophisticated of the lot.

Isn't it something that in their conveluted world that the word "patriot" went from being someone who supported the government no matter what (including disastrous wars for profit and the fleecing of the treasury) and all of a sudden (to be specific 12 noon January 20, 2009) it means being obnoxiously defiant.

[SolidGold]

12. This is exactly what I'm talking about

A lot of people disagree with my opinion but you've hit it on the nails head.

[mwb970]

13. Don't forget "tyranny".

Apparently "tyranny" now means "any effort to limit or regulate the activities of corporations". That's a long way from what I mean by tyranny, although the corporations are involved.

[Iggo]

34. Yes, they have perverted the word.

And now it's perverted.

Now, anyone who calls himself a patriot in my presence gets a chuckle and an eyeroll.

They fucked it up, and that's how it is.

[SolidGold]

14. Patriots - we the people win in 2010!

http://www.teapartypatriots.org <- Patriotism? True patriots?

We the people win in 2010, versus the aliens, ghosts, robots, or monsters winning.

[mwb970]

15. I'd accuse them of solipsism, but they wouldn't know what I meant. /nt

[peekaloo]

16. *the password for today is*

Hatriot

do not confuse the two. :-)

[MineralMan]

17. The wingers have misappropriated the word. We just need to

take it back. You're way off base on this. Instead of equating patriot and moron, we need to celebrate real patriots and hold them in the the face of this misappropriation of the term.

[Captain Hilts]

21. BINGO. nt

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[Codeine]

52. Indeed. They win by redefining the debate.

I will not abrogate my patriotism simply because they've chosen to redefine the word.

[John1956PA]

22. I feel that I am patriotic, but I never used the work "patriot" to describe myself.

Maybe it is because I have always felt that the word "patriot" should be reserved for those like Nathan Hale who gave the supreme sacrifice for the founding of our nation.

As a small symbol of my patriotism, I always displayed a small American flag decal on the window of my car. After September 11, 2001, I lost some of my desire to do that, since there were so many foolish characters who fastened small cloth flags to their car antennas, only to have them eventually fall off into the streets where I would occasionally find one and disposed of it properly. I understand the point of the original post, but I can also see how many DUers would disagree with it as well

[SolidGold]

25. Same here - patriotic - but not a patriot.

A patriot is defined as:

"one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests"

I support our country and its interests most of the time. I wouldn't call myself a patriot because I do not hold a fervent drive to support all government mandate or officials mindlessly.

[salguine]

23. "Patriotism" in general is bullshit, especially since the distinction between it and

nationalism—or worse, jingoism—seems to have been completely erased. All patriotism is good for is getting people killed.

[Echo In Light]

24. I forget who, but there was a comic recently who did this bit re how US flags creep him out

... since displaying them - especially to the nth degree - seemed to have taken on a vibe of supporting the worst our empire does

[TransitJohn]

30. They say patriot, they mean partisan.

It's pretty simple to see that they don't use English well.

[MineralMan]

41. There's a lot of that going around, it seems...

the poor use of English, I mean.

[caitxrawks]

33. descent LOL

That made me lawl.

[lonestarnot]

44. The nutballs will not be allowed to take that word from me. Sorry.

:patriot:

[L0oniX]

45. Never was a patriot yet, but was a fool. – John Dryden

A patriot is a fool in ev’ry age. – Alexander Pope.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. – Samuel Johnson

In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary, patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first. – Ambrose Bierce

Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen. – Ambrose Bierce

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” – James Russell Lowell

“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.” – G. K. Chesterton

Patriotism which has the quality of intoxication is a danger not only to its native land but to the world, and “My country never wrong” is an even more dangerous maxim than “My country, right or wrong.” – Bertrand Russell

Patrioism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. – George Bernard Shaw

You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is an ephemeral motive that scarcely ever outlasts the particular threat to society that aroused it. – Denis Diderot

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. – George Santayana

The Athenian democracy suffered much from that narrowness of patriotism which is the ruin of all nations. – H.G. Wells

Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. “Patriotism” is its cult. . . . Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship. – Erich Fromm

One of the great attractions of patriotism–it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat, Bully and cheat, what’s more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous. – Aldous Huxley

Many studies have discovered a close link between prejudice and “patriotism” . . . Extreme bigots are almost always super-patriots – Gordon Allport

It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. – Elbert Hubband

Patriotism varies, from a noble devotion to a moral lunacy. – William Inge

Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism corrupts history. – Goethe

Into the cultural and technological system of the modern world, the patriotic spirit fits like dust in the eyes and sand in the bearings. Its net contribution to the outcome is obscuration, distrust, and retardation at every point where it touches the fortunes of modern mankind. – Thorstein Veblen

The standardization of mass-production carries with it a tendency to standardize a mass-mind, producing a willing conformity, not merely to common ways of living, but to common ways of thinking and common valuations. The worst defect of patriotism is its tendency to foster and impose this common mind, and so to stifle the innumerable germs of liberty. – J.A. Hobson

2. Patriotism and War:

At the bottom of all patriotism is war: that is why I am no patriot. – Jules Renard

No other factor in history, not even religion, has produced so many wars as has the clash of national egotisms sanctified by the name of patriotism. – Preserved Smith

Naturally the common people don’t want war . . . Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism. – Hermann Goering.


3. Patriotism and Religion:

Patriotism is a kind of religion; it is the egg from which wars are hatched. – Guy de Maupassant

God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed. – Luis Buñuel

To be patriotic, hate all nations but your own; to be religious, all sects but your own; to be moral, all pretenses but your own. – Lionel Strachey

When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism! – David Starr Jordan

4. The American Syndrome:

If you have a weak candidate and a weak platform, wrap yourself up in the American flag and talk about the Constitution. – Matt Quay

How much longer are we going to think it necessary to be “American” before (or in contradistinction to) being cultivated, being enlightened, being humane, & having the same intellectual discipline as other civilized countries? It is really too easy a disguise for our shortcomings to dress them up as a form of patriotism. – Edith Wharton

The 100 percent American is 99 percent an idiot. – George Bernard Shaw

Treason is in the air around us everywhere. It goes by the name of patriotism. – Thomas Corwin

[Leopolds Ghost]

50. "The old lie: Dulce et decorum est / Pro patria mori." --Wilfred Owen

[Echo In Light]

47. "I hate patriotism! I can't stand it. It's a round world the last time I checked." - Bill Hicks

More from Hicks:

ON PATRIOTISM:

Did you watch the flag burning thing? Wasn't that great man? Boy everybody showed their true colours then didn't they?....Scary... People just flipped, they reacted like The Supreme Court approved of flag burning, know what I mean?

" Does that mean we have to burn our flags?.. They said that we ha-"... NO NO NO NO NO NO, they didn't say that. They said that if someone wanted to burn a flag, he perhaps doesn't need to go to jail for a year...Pretty harsh on their part huh?

"They said we should bur-".... They didn't say that, they didn't say that, they didn't say that

"Does that mean I have to go and -"....NO NO NO NO NO NO NO... Listen, read , think, calm down, relax, SHUT THE FUCK UP

"Well I don't get it..I don't wanna burn my flag"....THEN DOOOOOOOOOOON'T.

People snapped, they were like "Hey buddy, my dad died for that flag"

"Really?...I bought mine...They sell 'em in K-Mart..."

"yeah..He died in Korea for that flag"

"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea... the world is THAT big man..."

No-one, and I repeat NO-ONE has ever died for a flag. A flag is a piece of cloth, they might have died for freedom, which, by the way, is the freedom to....Burn the.. fucking flag you see??..Burning the flag doesn't make freedom go away, it's kinda like Free-dom ok?..ok.

And they've had 4 cases in this country's 200 year history, so it's not that big an issue. One of the hotter smokescreens they've put down the pipe. I don't wanna burn a flag, but what business is it of mine if you do?

Is it my business if someone wants to..Is it?...NO

Is it my business what other people read or watch on TV? NO IT'S NOT...THANK YOU

You see, when we talk these things through, it becomes a little clearer doesn't it? That's called logic and it'll help us all evolve and get on the fucking spaceships and get outta here.

:hi:

[pipi_k]

49. Uh, oh...I see problems....

What will the NFL and we football fans think of this?


The New England Morons?



:cry:

[SolidGold]

54. They were before this lol - football is caveman business

It's the next best thing to seeing a man fight a lion to the death.

[pipi_k]

57. Actually, that's probably boxing...

The whole point of which is to inflict pain and punishment on another human being.


Football's point is to move a ball from one end of the field to the other. Pain is incidental, not the entire point.

It's getting to be sort of wimpy anyway...can't grab here, can't hit there, can't hit within this or that distance...

Although it's nice to see all those nicely formed football player asses in spandex.


In any event, I'm a self admitted caveman. Er...I mean, cavegirl :7

[SolidGold]

59. Meh, its almost all sports where physical contact is a prime element

It's all fallout from the coliseum don't yah know :)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools." Schopenhauer

[NYC_SKP]

63. The Right has, over time, appropriated the term, "Patriot".

I see no reason to cede it to them entirely.

:patriot:

[Pithlet]

64. That's how i feel about it.

Don't give it to them.

[Codeine]

65. 'xactly.

:patriot:

[SidDithers]

68. Alas, SolidGold sleeps with the fishes...

Sid

[SoxFan]

70. Looks like he pissed off the wrong Patriot