Did everyone notice this - All these Hutaree idiots hate the government but

[dflprincess]

they all want the government to supply them with a public defender.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/89383482.html?page=2&c=y

The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction — homemade bombs. All seven defendants in court on Monday requested to be represented by the federal defender's office, and a bond hearing is set for Wednesday

Reminds me of how other idiots like Palin & Bachmann rant about how awful the government is, but they still want to be a part of it. Of course, they really are all "cut of the same cloth" as Grandma used to say.

I posted this in another thread this afternoon and it was suggested it deserved its own thread.

[peacebird]

1. hate the govt EXCEPT for govt services THEY need. LOL!

True Palin-ites!

[Cirque du So-What]

3. Bet they'll be howling for public defenders!

Damn socialist judicial system!

[fascisthunter]

2. hypocrisy at it's finest

some of them probably live off our tax dollars in many other ways.

[dflprincess]

6. They'll probably base their appeals* on the public defenders being

over worked and not able to give their cases their full attention.

Idiots.

*assuming they're found guilty. I remember an old "Law & Order" episode with one person hung the jury when a similar group was on trial - all it takes is one wing nut on the jury.

[opihimoimoi]

4. 3rd Grade Dropouts with attending Vocabs and absence of REASON...GOP lacks SANITY

[readmoreoften]

5. I think the Morans should pay for it themselves. It is, in fact, what they were fighting for, right?

[chill_wind]

7. I thought all of them were life-long experts in Constitutional Law

and justice. Not a one of them wants to represent the rest?

Maybe the Free Republic/Tea Party will pay their fees.

:sarcasm:

[UpInArms]

8. and Limpbags got defended by the ACLU ...

the hypocrisy knows no bounds.

These idiots are so stupid they don't know that they are idiots.

[safeinOhio]

18. Rush can get em Roy Black.

;-)

[jemelanson]

19. I doubt that they would want the ACLU, I would think that they

probably hate the ACLU and that they think that the ACLU is some Communist or Socialist organization who has set out to fight against everything that these yahoos believe to be right and good.

[EFerrari]

9. Figures.

:rofl:

[Hollywood Hills]

10. Maybe Liz Cheney is available.

Or, would it be too un-American?

[AllyCat]

11. And use the socialist court system.

With any luck at all, we'll be using the socialist prison system (what's left of it) to put them away. Or maybe we should let the corporate prisons do it.

[KittyWampus]

12. Thanks for pointing this out. If they had the courage of their convictions

they'd decline use of a corrupt legal representative that works for the evil system.


Cowards, hypocrites.

[spanone]

13. hypocrisy rules the teamilitia

[MicaelS]

14. A Liberal is a Conservative who just got indicted....

I'd say that fits this situation perfectly.

[peacetalksforall]

15. Maybe some popular Christian bands can raise the money so they don't have to feed of the despised

'government'.

[peacetalksforall]

16. And it appears they didn't come up with contingency plans and funds. They should have

asked Rove for advise.

[peacetalksforall]

17. In their hate for the government do they think we are the government. If someone were to rank

their hates, liberal, professors (great article today), government employees, leaders, White House, Military-Pentagon, Catholics-Jews-Moslems-Mexicans, what is government - just the police?

When you try to figure out exactly who they are angry with, it's looks more and more muddy.

[JoeyT]

20. Hell they hate the government

90% of the people that live here, 80% of the states, and virtually all of our elected officials, laws, programs, and ideals.
But they consider themselves patriotic Americans. (The REAL Americans, dontchaknow.)

[FatDave]

21. Can't find that quote in the article.

Did they remove it?

[dflprincess]

22. It looks like they did

the paragraph is the 2nd to the last on the 2nd page of the article, but the section I highlighted is gone now. I see the article is noted as being updated at about 5:30 this morning.

I also heard either Keith or Rachel also mention this last night - but maybe the reports were wrong. :shrug:

But, the last paragraph of this article still mentions that the asked for public defenders:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/hutaree-militia-planned-t_n_516937.html

[kctim]

23. Really? Seriously?

The 6th Amendment gives them the right of councel.

If they are like other "militia" groups, they distrust what government has become but they do not HATE the US Constitution.

[dflprincess]

24. But they are trusting the government to supply them with attorneys

and I would very much argue that they do hate the Consitution. Given that these nuts are "Christian warriors" I'll bet they especially hate the freedom of religion clause in the First Amendment and they're probably not real fond of the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments (or, at least, the way they've been applied). I'd also imagine they're not real fond of 16th Amendment (income tax) either - even though that's the one that makes it possible for their attorneys to be paid for.

Like the Teabaggers they probably play lip service to the Constitution but odds are none of them have read it or the Federalist Papers.

[kctim]

25. No they are not

it is their only option. Its not like they are OJ or something.

They "hate" interpretations of the Constitution, not the document itself.
Their 1st Amendment argument is probably the one about how it says freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
Unless the group is based on racism (and no, most militia groups are not) they probably don't care about the 13th, 14th or 15 or give them much thought.
Of course they probably don't care much for the 16th, most anti-tax groups don't, but the 6th came way before the 16th so I doubt they were worried about their right to councel being paid for.

Odds are that you have not done you're homework on people who hold such beliefs. It is more likely that they have read the Constitution numerous times and are 'purists' concerning the parts they agree with.

[dflprincess]

26. They have the option to refuse any help from the government they hate and defend themselves

Especially as public defenders are one of those "librul" ideas.

I'll bet they've all done plenty of bitching in the past about lawyers who cannot be trusted and who defend criminals at taxpayer expense.

If they're not racists, it's odd that you never seem to see any faces that aren't white (and mostly male) when clowns like this are finally caught.

As this group considers itself to be "Christian" I doubt if they're concerned with freedom from religion - they're all for freedom of religion - provided your religion is the same as theirs and if they have to impose their beliefs on you, they'd be happy to do it. I imagine there are Christian groups they're not real fond of, not to mention those whose beliefs are not "Christian".

I still maintain that they have no grasp of the Consitution and all most of them know about it is what someone (probably their leader) told them. And, like the Teabaggers (who really seem to be the first cousins of this group), they no doubt operate under the delusion that the U.S. was founded as "Christian nation" by the Christian founders. We're not dealing with rocket scientists here, if they had any smarts they would have found another way to express they're dissent rather than allowing themselves to manipulated into violence.

[kctim]

36. I did not say they didn't

have that option. What I said was that IF they are like most militias, the Constitution is not what they hate so it is not that big of a surprise if they use their 6th Amendment rights.

I also did not say they were NOT racists, sheesh. They could or could not be, I haven't heard yet, but assuming all groups are racist is wrong and misses what they are concerned about.

The argument is that the Constitution grants one the freedom of religion but 'liberal' interpretation of the Constitution has made it freedom from religion because the govt dictates where one can and cannot express one's personal religious views.

You may be totally right about this particular group having no grasp of the Constitution, I don't know if anybody knows yet or not. What I said was that most militia are based on "protecting" the Constitution and are quite familiar with its words.

The TP is nothing like these groups. These groups can be dangerous, but their numbers are small and thankfully they were caught this time and will be the next.

[Caretha]

35. Listen up

they were planning on killing public paid Law Enforcement officers....

Now they are asking for public paid Law Enforcement Defenders?!?

What part of pathetic don't you get?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. They do not hate the constitution? Nonsense.

They'd piss all over it if they could get their hands on it.

Sure, they demand their own rights, but damned if they want the same rights for anybody else, minorities in particular.

[kctim]

37. As would

most conservatives and liberals.

[Iggo]

42. Most liberals would piss on the Constitution?

You sure you're in the right place?

[kctim]

45. Yep

Most conservatives and liberals have no problem whatsoever with pissing on the parts of the Constitution that they do not agree with or believe no longer valid.

Not all Democrats are liberals, so unless this is 'liberals only underground,' I am in the right place.

[Iggo]

46. So if you can't find any liberals here that would piss on the Constitution...

...would that make you wrong? Or would that make us all liars?

[kctim]

48. Depends

on WHO is making that decision really.

Many people interpret the Constitution so that it agrees with their personal beliefs, so its not really fair to say someone is a liar IF they actually believe what they are saying.

I can mention the 2nd Amendment (only because it is driven by emotion and so easy) and tons of liberals will scream how it is not an individual right, despite what the US Constitution or the SC says. To me, and the majority of Americans, that is "pissing on the Constitution."
Is the majority "wrong" for thinking this? No, but that doesn't automatically mean those liberals are "liars?"

[Iggo]

49. Can't argue with that logic. (n/t)

[malaise]

28. Looks like they spent their money on

some big ass guns.

Rec

[Beaverhausen]

29. I bet Orly Taintz would love to defend these creeps

[POAS]

31. That would provide an easy reason for appeal---

incompetent counsel.

[xultar]

30. Their measly property taxes would no way cover the cost of the shit they brought down.

WHAT

GOD

DAMNED

FUCKING

IDIOTS

[Miss Chybil]

32. ROFLMAO! How ironical! nt

[BrklynLiberal]

33. Virtually every one of the anti-government idiots are more than willing to

take anything and everything that the government provides them....


Wonder how many of them would actually live up to this pledge???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8051515

[NNN0LHI]

34. How do they afford all those weapons and ammo but can't afford their own lawyer?

[olegramps]

38. How much have the cost us?

How much money and valuable time has been incurred in the investigation of these nincompoops? Now we have to supply them with attorneys for their defense in a costly trial. I hope that the judge makes them pay for the cost of the trial.

[Iggo]

43. It's worth every penny.

[Iggo]

39. The Public Defender, or...

...as it's known in the Los Angeles Criminal Court system: The Assistant District Attorney. (lol)

(I spel gud)

[AnArmyVeteran]

40. Great point Dflprincess! Why did the 'media' not mention this hypocrisy?

[AnArmyVeteran]

41. Not one has the principles to refuse government paid defense!

Each of these anti-government, right wing extremists could have refused to be represented by public defenders. They have a right to represent themselves. While they claim government takes away their rights the same evil government gave them representation to help protect them from prosecution. The ultimate irony is their love to use violence to fight against government and kill government workers (like police) and then have the government use legal methods to save their lives.

I bet they were all against due process for KSM, and yet they are terrorists, just like KSM is. But right wingers are against KSM having any legitimate defense. They'd like to see him 'tried' by mob rule and then hung. So where are all the Tea Baggers and conservative extremists now to condemn the government trying these nine terroristic thugs in a US court of law complete with public (government paid) attorneys?

The right wing is so dishonest they are unable to see the overflowing hypocrisy bubbling up all around them.

[LeftyMom]

44. What, is Orly Taitz busy?

[n2doc]

47. It's been noticed

[Quantess]

50. Good point.