Fires at THREE Nuke power plants (Ohio, NORTH and SOUTH Carolina) (corrected)

[Liberation Angel]

as always they say all is well.

But who believes them.

This is a pull from current google news headlines:

Fire at Brunswick nuclear plant over the weekend - WWAY NewsChannel 3
Yesterday, 06:32 PM


Fire at Brunswick nuclear plant over the weekend
WWAY NewsChannel 3
We're just learning about it today. Here's the report it filed with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. "An Unusual Event was declared at 2259 EDT due to a fire in the Unit 1 Turbine Building lasting > 15 minutes. The fire was reported by field ...
Fire reported at Brunswick nuclear power plantWECT-TV6
Small, stubborn fire hits Ohio nuke plantBusinessWeek
2 electrical fires cause shutdown of SC nuke plantNews & Observer
South Carolina Now -WPDE -Cleveland News - Fox 8
all 62 news articles »

[gmoney]

1. Montgomery Burns could not be reached for comment.

[walldude]

35. Release the hounds Smithers.....

:rofl:

[glinda]

2. That is odd to have two in one weekend isn't it?

[Liberation Angel]

5. actually there were FOUR fires at THREE different nuke plants in THREE states

for the record

Not unusual for nukes, really.

They are inherently unsafe and prone to fires and system failures.

[Systematic Chaos]

9. Yeah. I mean, Chernobyl like, blew up, and stuff! And TMI actually had to SHUT DOWN for a while.

We'll just forget about radioactive coal ash being belched into the sky and spilling by the ton into waterways, and sit here talking about small fires at NUKE PLANTS, because we all know that they've killed millions of people all around the world. But coal? It's "clean" now. It's awesome.

Edited to add -- Chernobyl was such a completely shitty reactor design that nobody now is using anything even remotely close. There's pretty much zero chance of a disaster of anywhere near that scale occurring now.

And let's not forget yearly coal mining deaths, mountain top removal, refinery disasters, and everything else which is the direct result of the overuse of fossil fuels. Nope, it's all about insignificant liquid spills and contained fires at nuke plants!

:eyes:

[TheMadMonk]

13. Events such as these are indeed inevitable. The sheer complexity of safety...

...systems pretty much guarantee it. Something somewhere will fail, but with backups and backups to backup, these individual failures are annoyances NOT incipient disasters.

[Statistical]

19. 50 million combined operating hours (and counting). 0 fatalities.

Exactly 0 people have been killed in the US from commercial power reactors.

More people are killed by walking on a beach and getting hit by a plane than nuclear reactors.
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12148994

Yup sounds pretty dangerous to me.

We could save more people by banning walking on beach than by banning nuclear power.

[RollWithIt]

30. DING DING DING DING.... WE HAVE A WINNER!

When you look at the overall record of the domestic nuclear plants they are quite frankly astounding. It's a shame we haven't already built more to get rid of the coal scorge.

[Statistical]

34. Had we built every reactor planned in the 1970s nuclear would make up 47% of our power

and we would burn about half as much coal.

:(

Sadly the environmental movement that (misguidedly) killed nuclear in the 1970s pushed the country straight into the open arms of King Coal.

Talk about the mother of all unintended consequences.

[Liberation Angel]

31. Once again - Fatalities from Cancer, infant deaths, spontaneous abortions (miscarriages)...

are well documented and may well be in the tens of millions.

See


www.radiation.org for the studies which I have posted over and over again.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. I liked that other thread where you blamed nuclear plants for America's obesity epidemic.

Funny shit.

[MajorChode]

38. The continuous proliferation of junk science does not increase it's credibility

The so-called 9/11 truthers have limitless supplies of self-described evidence also. That doesn't mean any of it passes the smell test. The same goes for the UFO fanatics, global warming deniers, creationists, and dozens of other bullshit-monger organizations.

[Zoeisright]

3. That's just one reason why I'm against nukes.

Common sense and education are the others.

[Liberation Angel]

4. Fascist Corporate owners who do not care if we die for their profits...

are another good reason.

Frigging things are deadly and the radiation they emit during operation is silent and deadly and invisible until it mutates your blood, bones and internal organs or fetuses in your belly - THEN you see only what it does and not what the fuck it IS that is killing you and all of us,

Many of these corporations support population reduction just as the Nazis did (in fact many of them financed the Nazis as well). So it would not surprise me if these are really just profit generating gas chambers without walls. It is often a slow death, but it is also often a very certain one.

Necrophilic evil greedy bastards,

[Statistical]

22. Tin foil on asile 5.

Seriously though most corporations can only continue to grow when consumer base GROWS not shrinks. As callous as CEO are, a massive die off of consumers would the worst thing ever for corporations, capitalism & stock market.

So not only is your conspiracy paranoid junk it isn't even logical.

[Statistical]

17. Your against fires? Cars catch fire should we ban cars?

Hell once I caught soup on fire (made my wife very mad) should we ban soup?

[uppityperson]

39. I'm against misplaced apostrophes. nt

[Liberation Angel]

6. Three more reasons to tell OBAMA NO NEW NUKES!

They are not safe, cost effective, reliable or sane.

In fact they are deadly and insane.

And Obama needs to hear this LOUDLY from the smart people who understand and care about the future and the protection of our species dna and about our own and our children's survival and genetic sanctity.

Radiation mutates our dna and causes mutations in utero which can permanently alter our species. And that radiation will be fucking up our planet for hundreds of thousands of years since we cannot figure out how to eliminate it. It STAYS and keeps on impacting our species and may even kill us all if we cannot eliminate toxic nuclear radiation production from this planet.

[Enthusiast]

20. I hear you!

Obama needs to hear it. The proposed Nuk plant in Georgia is just in the interest of calming the GOP anyway.

[old mark]

7. Could this be RWers in action? Or just shitty maintenance? nt

[mindwalker_i]

8. Anybody want a weenie roast?

[SidDithers]

10. Nuclear plant fire caused by electric blankets...

An emergency was declared at the Brunswick Nuclear Plant late Friday when a fire damaged maintenance equipment in the Unit 1 turbine building, Progress Energy told the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

With Unit 1 shut down for refueling, the emergency had no impact on power production. Unit 2 continued to operate at 100 percent of capacity.

Progress Energy spokesman Ryan Moiser described the fire as a “smoke condition.”

The utility’s report to the NRC, updated Saturday, said the fire was from electric blankets used for post-weld heat treatment. No outside assistance was need to extinguish the fire.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100329/ARTICLES/100329638?Title=Nuclear-plant-fire-caused-by-electric-blankets

But who to believe? :rofl:

Sid

[SidDithers]

11. Two fires shut down H.B. Robinson Nuclear Plant,,,

http://www2.scnow.com/scp/news/local/pee_dee/article/two_fires_shutdown_hb_robinson_nuclear_plant/113001/

Progress Energy’s H.B. Robinson Nuclear Plant has been shut down until further notice following two separate electrical fires Sunday night.

The first fire began a little before 7 p.m. in an electrical breaker in the turbine building on the non-nuclear side of the plant, Robinson spokesman Andy Cole said.

“The fire was not serious and our team put it out ourselves within 10 minutes,” he said.

The second fire occurred about 11 p.m. in an electrical breaker adjacent to the first incident. There is no indication the first fire caused the second one, Cole said.

Electrical fires on the non-nuclear side of the building. These electrical fires, while serious, have nothing to do with, nor do they affect, the nuclear reactor (except for the fact that the reactor is taken off-line so repairs can be made to the breakers). They could have happened at any industrial facility in the nation.

Sid

[SidDithers]

12. Fire in Perry nuclear plant contained ...

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/03/fire_in_perry_nuclear_plant_un.html

A small fire in a lubrication system at the Perry nuclear power plant was contained Sunday evening and did not affect power to customers or the health or safety of anyone in the surrounding area, according to FirstEnergy Corp. officials.

The fire broke out about 6:30 p.m. in the lubrication system of a pump motor, said FirstEnergy spokesman Todd Schneider.

It was contained by 9:30 p.m. Firefighters from the plant's fire brigade and Painesville, Perry and Madison townships responded to the blaze.

Two employees on the plant's fire brigade were transported to the hospital with heat stress but were not seriously injured, Schneider said. Power to the plant was reduced to 70 percent pending an investigation of the fire and repairs.

"Most importantly, there's no impact to public health or safety because of this issue," Schneider said.

I posted about these minor incidents because you provided no detail or links in your OP.

Sid

[Moochy]

14. Nukeboosters

NukeBoosters boosting the nukes! Those fires were all caused by vengeful ants with magnifying glasses.

[lib2DaBone]

15. We need new plants.. these are almost 40 years old....

How many 40-year-old cars are still on the road?

The nuclear technology has changed drastically in the last 40 years.

[Enthusiast]

21. We need NO new Nuclear

power plants. We should pursue clean renewables like the rest of the civilized world.

[Statistical]

23. Rest of world like...

Finland - building new reactors
France - building new reactors
Japan - building new reactors
Korea - building new reactors
India - building new reactors
Russia - building new reactors
China - building new reactors

UK - planning to build new reactors
Italy - ending ban on nuclear energy. Energy Secretary calls it the "worst decision Italy has made on energy policy.
Turkey - in planning with Korea to build 4 new reactors
Sweden - proposing to end ban on new nuclear power

[Enthusiast]

25. But we have more than anyone.

And we can use alternatives. If there was a means to dispose of waste safely that would be one thing, but there isn't.

[Statistical]

26. Well we are larger than most countries. On per capita basis many countries exceed our nuclear usage.

That is the only metric that matters.
How much power from nuclear energy (as share of electrical power)

100 reactors in 10 countries have same energy output as 100 reactors in 1 country.


How many people have been hurt by the waste so far? It is solid fuel rods inside sealed 125 ton containers.

I mean if you tried to bust open the container and eat some it would hurt you but likely the lead from bullet fired by guards would kill you much quicker.


If all the electricity you use in your entire life was 100% produced by nuclear power it would result in spent fuel of slightly less than a single soda can.

Another way to look at it. All nuclear waste produce from 200 nuclear reactors (double current fleet) for next 1000 years is less than the amount of toxic radioactive fly ash produced by coal plants this year.

There is nothing on the planet that produces as much power per unit of waste as nuclear power. Nothing else is even in the same league.

Eventually we need a single deep geological repository. Other countries are planning and/or building theirs. Politics is all that has prevented construction in the US. If we had one it would remove the last "weak" argument that anti-nukkers have.

They can't let that happen.

[Enthusiast]

27. I've heard all your arguments.

But I prefer pursuing a different strategy.

[Systematic Chaos]

29. Then define the "strategy" and show that there will be less waste and less deaths.

There must be some solid science out there proving you right.

Right?

[Enthusiast]

36. Wind and solar

energy have never before been implemented on the scale I'm speaking of. The only way to show the evidence is to do it. Also tidal generators are promising.

[Statistical]

33. No problem. Have a good day. n/t

[whistler162]

16. Ban electric blankets!!!!

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100329/ARTICLES/100329638?Title=Nuclear-plant-fire-caused-by-electric-blankets

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/03/fire_in_perry_nuclear_plant_un.html

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/03/29/412757/2-electrical-fires-cause-shutdown.html

[Statistical]

18. OH NOES! Not a fire in a non-nuclear turbine room. Whatever shall we do?

Nobody died you say?
Reactor was never in any danger you say?
Turbine is in a separate building than the reactor you say?
Reactor is sealed inside (non flammable) concrete containment building you say?

Even if the turbine fire was out of control it would have at worst burned up a really expensive non-nuclear turbine?
This could happen in any powerplant (coal, natural gas, even thermal solar)?

So the story is something (turbine) burned (a little) and it happened to be "near" a reactor (but on the other side of 7 feet of steel reinforced concrete).

In related news a maintenance man fell down stairs in visitor center near the reactor.
Not just a fall, A NUCLEAR FALL!!!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

[SidDithers]

24. A nuclear fall!!...

:rofl:

Sid

[Brickbat]

28. Not only that, but the safety measures WORKED!!!

[whistler162]

32. You missed the part about the door at the bottom of

the stairs being open.

Nuclear fall out!!!!

[Heywood J]

40. K&R for some of these replies.

Fires happen occasionally in switchgear, pumps, and industrial equipment. It's a consequence of heat, high levels of energy, and moving parts. Things sometimes wear out or are installed/operated incorrectly. I'm more reassured by how it's handled.

[Liberation Angel]

41. Well, the recs have it I think

Seems that the antinuke folks outnumber the pronuke folks here (more or less).

That is a relief and the new system HELPS determine that. Thanks admins!