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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:58 PM
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Did BUSH And CHENEY Knowingly MISLEAD The U.S. Into WAR With Iraqi?
" Peter Wehner, a Politics Daily colleague, was quite gracious to accept my challenge to defend his old boss, George W. Bush -- that is, to partially accept it.


In his reply, Wehner addresses merely five of those eight statements. Should we assume he's conceding on the others? Let me remind readers -- those who are not weary of all this -- about the statements Wehner declines to confront.


In August 2002, as the Bush White House was ramping up its sales campaign for war in Iraq, Vice President Cheney delivered a high-profile speech in which he declared that there was "no doubt" that Saddam Hussein was "amassing" WMDs "to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Yet a few months earlier, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency had testified to Congress that Saddam was only maintaining "residual" amounts of WMDs (which, as it turned out, was itself an overstatement). Perhaps more important, at the time of Cheney's speech, there was no intelligence indicating that Saddam intended to use WMDs against the United States, which would have been suicidal. In fact, intelligence reports suggested he was not interested in a WMD showdown with Washington. That is, there was no factual basis for Cheney's dramatic statement. No wonder Wehner avoids dealing with it.


Wehner also ducks addressing Bush's pre-war attempt to link Saddam to al-Qaeda. That was a key part of the administration's pitch for war. On Nov. 7, 2002, Bush proclaimed that Saddam "is a threat because he's dealing with al-Qaeda." Yet as the 9/11 Commission later noted, there was no intelligence confirming an operational relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda. Nevertheless, in March 2003, Cheney insisted that Saddam had a "long-standing relationship" with al-Qaeda. Moreover, Cheney again and again tried to tie Saddam to al-Qaeda by referring to an unconfirmed intelligence report indicating that 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague. The CIA and FBI, though, had discounted this report, and the 9/11 Commission later said that it was indeed bogus. So here was the vice president of the United States pushing phony information, after his government's own intelligence experts had said there was no confirmation for it. How reckless was that? It's not surprising that Wehner ignored this part of the challenge.


And Wehner overlooks one of Bush's biggest whoppers. At a Dec. 31, 2002, press conference, Bush maintained, "We don't know whether or not has a nuclear weapon." This comment suggested that Saddam -- oh my God! -- might already possess these dangerous weapons. The faulty intelligence available at the time had errantly declared that Iraq was "reconstituting" its nuclear weapons program, but it had also concluded Iraq would not be able to produce a nuclear weapon for years. There was no basis for Bush to say that Saddam already could be nuclear-armed. Clearly, Bush was doing so to rile up the public. Wehner is silent on this point.


So Wehner has nothing to say about (1) Cheney hurling an intelligence-free claim that Saddam was developing WMDs so he could attack the United States; (2) Bush and Cheney hyping the connection between Saddam and the mass murderers of 9/11; or (3) Bush resorting to scare-'em rhetoric about a nuclear Iraq that had no foundation in the available intelligence. On these fronts, Bush, Cheney, and their aides exhibited a reckless disregard of the facts as they tried to whip up public support for their war. But none of that is on Wehner's radar screen. Which calls into question his entire attempt to beat back the proposition that Bush bamboozled the public."


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<http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/30/a-long-war-did-bush-knowingly-mislead-the-u-s-into-iraq/>



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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:00 PM
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1. Short answer:
Well yeah.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:11 PM
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6. Must be a history question. Answer is still absolutely: YES
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:19 PM
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8. Hell Yeah!
:fistbump:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:57 PM
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12. As certain a "Hell Yeah!" as the answer to the question "Does the sun rise in the east?"
:fistbump:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:59 PM
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13. Yes. It put money in their pockets.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:01 PM
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2. What kind of outdated question is that?
Did I just wake up in the year 2003?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:02 PM
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3. LMAO.. was thinking the same thing..
This is still a question? :rofl:
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:09 PM
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25. This is the sole reason I opened this thread: WTF? Is water wet?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:05 PM
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4. do bears go in the woods?
does anyone have to even ask this question anymore?
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:11 PM
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5. Even though the question is part of the article's header, the question should be posed every
single day until such perpetrators are dragged into criminal court and charged for treason against the U.S.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:14 PM
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7. Are you fucking kidding me? PNAC
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:30 PM
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9. Is there any question????
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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:37 PM
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10. Yes. Obviously.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:47 PM
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11. Like, DUH? And that's not even the half of it. Afghanistan didn't attack us on 9/11, either. n/t
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:13 PM
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14. Is the pope a catholic? n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:30 PM
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15. Does the Pope poop in the woods?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:34 PM
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17. Is the pope going to ABDICATE?!1 n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:31 PM
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16. someone has to ask this question?
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:57 PM
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18. Fuck yeah!
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:00 PM
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19. yes
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:06 PM
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20. DU's been sayin' this for years
We know they did the last seven summers...
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:10 PM
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21. It was obvious he was lying when he did it.
And the Dems got trapped into agreeing with him, thought I suspect a lot of them knew he was lying, too.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:10 PM
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24. Agreed. They trapped the Dems with fear and used the nation's post 911 anger as a beating club
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:10 PM
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22. Yes
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:14 PM
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23. and water is wet.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:15 PM
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26. Let met guess- You're new here. nt
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:51 PM
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29. Let me guess, you can't read.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:47 AM
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34. Why?
Because I noticed your low post count, blocked profile, and completely obvious observation?

But hey, don't let me take the shine off your "scoop", Master of the Obvious. You might be on to something.:eyes:
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:40 AM
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37. Maybe you should try focusing on the content of the article posted instead of using your
' sniffer dog ' nose looking for phantoms. I believe the airport could use your nasal skills.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:05 PM
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38. "...looking for phantoms."
What the fuck are you talking about?

Did you think you came across some great revelation? Do you want a medal? bushcheney lied us into war? NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!

For your information, Captain Fucking Obvious, I'm writing my Masters thesis on how a pro-corporate ideology propagated by elites convinces an ignorant electorate to support imperialism. So fuck off.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:39 PM
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39. Oh my, another sharp tack lost in the utility drawer looking for a place to pin his bullshit.
Don't you think its time you sat down and brewed your feeble self a cup of stfu? Your neurosis is showing.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:49 PM
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41. Oh, wait.
You don't actually believe bushcheney, do you?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

A Flat Earther! I didn't think you guys still existed!

Mods: Can I keep him as a pet?
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:54 PM
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43. I'm glad you pegged yourself well. More Phantoms? Hows the brew?
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:54 PM
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44. You haven't answered the question.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 05:57 PM by OnyxCollie
Do you believe bushcheney or not?

You wrote the OP. Why are you afraid to refute it? Come on, tell us all what you believe. We'd love to know what you think.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:33 PM
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48. " You wrote the OP "..now which " OP " are you referring to?
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:53 PM
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51. Forget it. You're boring me.
I'm done feeding the trolls.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:01 AM
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53. Looks like you're the one caught eating his own bullshit. Answer the question Mr. Masters degree,
what OP are you referring to? Whats wrong, too much of a load for you to swallow in one gulp? Next time try reading the article posted instead of reading headers and convincing yourself that you're a legend in your own mind.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:41 PM
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27. Of course.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:42 PM
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28. Is the world round?...or is it really as flat as
corporate media contends.
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:53 PM
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30. Is this point not moot yet?
War opponents and some Congressional Democrats have pointed to a statement Powell made on Feb. 24, 2001, while meeting at Cairo's Ittihadiya Palace with Egyptian Foreign Minister Amr Moussa.

Asked about the sanctions placed on Iraq, which were then under review at the Security Council, Powell said the measures were working. In fact, he added, "(Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/28/iraq/main575469.shtml

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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:57 PM
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31. Uh, those of us who were paying attention back in 2003
already knew this and said so then.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:18 AM
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32. You betcha
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:32 AM
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33. is water wet? nt
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 12:35 AM by Lord Helmet
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:08 AM
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35. The question is - What will the history text books say in 30 years?
Easy way to cover up history is to write it the way you want it to be then make that the prevalent paradigm.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:00 PM
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45. if they're written in Texas, I'm sure Bush will be a Monarch
and Obama barely mentioned.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:37 AM
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36. didnt they setup that fake intelligence group with douglas feith called the Office of Special Plans?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 09:38 AM by Mr. Sparkle
from wiki

The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which existed from September 2002 to June 2003, was a Pentagon unit created by Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, and headed by Feith, as charged by then-United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to supply senior George W. Bush administration officials with raw intelligence (unvetted by intelligence analysts, see Stovepiping) pertaining to Iraq.


Also:

in February 2007, the Pentagon's inspector general issued a report that concluded that Feith's office "developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and al Qaida relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the Intelligence Community, to senior decision-makers." The report found that these actions were "inappropriate" though not "illegal." Senator Carl Levin, Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, stated that "The bottom line is that intelligence relating to the Iraq-al-Qaeda relationship was manipulated by high-ranking officials in the Department of Defense to support the administration's decision to invade Iraq. The inspector general's report is a devastating condemnation of inappropriate activities in the DOD policy office that helped take this nation to war."


As the ex head of the CIA is reported to have said, it's a slam dunk.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:40 PM
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40. Not only did they mislead us, they didn't pay for it either!
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:52 PM
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42. Hmmm, I wonder if THATS relevant and worth mentioning in today's economic climate?
:sarcasm:


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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:17 PM
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46. I used it today when a co-worker made a joke about Obama and taxes!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 08:19 PM by B Calm
It left him speechless, because he knew I was right!
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:58 PM
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49. And right & relevant you were! The republicans have cleverly pushed aside a very relevent
discussion of the 8 year destruction & theft levied against this country by Bushco and is now attempting to re-cast the national enemy ( a la Karl Rove ) as Obama, Pelosi , Reid and Socialism. What ever happened to launching investigations into claims such as Iraqi Oil would be paying for this war within months of liberating their country? The cost of this war has reached 1 trillion dollars and the Iraqi citizens have a single payer health care system and the country that financed this war through borrowing has none. Who profited from this war expenditure? Has it hurt our economy, you damn right it has and this is very relevant as we look around at our country's economic status today. Maybe your co-worker should put that in his pipe and smoke it for a while.


cost of this war


http://costofwar.com/
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mzclinton05 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:34 PM
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47. What's Up With The War?
How long have our troops been in iraq and afghanistan? Nearly 9 years. I have to ask about the intentions of the whole war. It was for 9/11 of course but we have yet to catch Osama Bin Laden and that might not ever happen as long as bin laden keeps playing hide and go seek with the troops. I personally think that these wars are revisiting not only the gulf war but vietnam as well.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:02 PM
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50. Gee, I honestly don't know. I don't think it's ever been discussed here at DU before.
Maybe you should post a poll concerning that very topic!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:56 PM
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52. Well, anyone who read Richard Clarke's book knows the answer to that one
whether or not Mr. Wehner addresses the questions. I think that is what people on this thread are trying to tell you. :hi:
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:02 AM
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54. Did you read the article?
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:03 AM
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55. Yes I did, which is why I responded in the way that I did.
Thank you for sharing.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:09 AM
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56. Then you would know that the article posted was written by David Corn about his challenge to Peter
Wehner to defend his old boss GW against claims that Bushco " misled the American public into war ". This is NOT my article, just my posting.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:19 AM
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58. Yes, and I was commenting on your posting of the article, not your
writing of the article. Sheesh...why all the anguish? I wasn't attacking you just stating my opinion that it was all over with Richard Clarke. Not a damned thing is going to be done about it. Again, thanks for posting.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:33 AM
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59. I posted the article because its still quite relevant today considering our economic sinkhole
regardless of those who think its without merit. The article does nothing to educate the public with any new findings but it does reaffirm a snip into those who continue to promote criminal distortions and disregard for historical truths.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:16 AM
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57. Is a frog's ass watertight?
;)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:38 AM
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60. There is documented proof that Bush, Cheney and Rummy all
purposely gave Congress false information to start a war with Iraq, and it worked. They should be tried for war crimes, but that will never happen.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:48 AM
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61. Someone once barked at me that a black man would NEVER become president in his lifetime. I told him
anything is possible if the political & economic environment was prime while adding to the mix talking head fatigue. Never say never because a perfect storm could just as easily come around for another spin and prove all the wise political soothsayers wrong again.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 12:52 AM
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62. Error: you can only UNrecommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 12:52 AM by omega minimo
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 04:20 AM
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63. With regards to the Democrats who voted for the war: I would say NO.
They were not mislead. They knew he was full of shit. They voted with him because they wanted to. John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and many more.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 06:23 AM
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64. Cheney said "There is no doubt about the existence of weapons of mass destruction..."
How much more do you need?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:18 PM
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65. After the first few days of the war, it should have been clear
to the brainwashed cons that there weren’t any weapons of mass destruction. What is the reason for having WMD’s in the first place, if you’’re not going to use them against an invading army? That should have been a wake up call to the willfully ignorant right wingers! But no instead they chose to believe even a more ridiculous argument that Saddam must have moved them. Why would, he had moved them? Was he saving them for a rainy day?

One thing we have learned from this history, republicans have no common sense at all!
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