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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:20 PM
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Bring Out the Base With Marijuana Reform Ballot Initiatives
So we've all heard that California is going to have a ballot initiative this fall to legalize marijuana for recreational use. Conventional wisdom here is that it will pass easily, and I believe that is true. A lot of factors are driving law in that direction, not just in California (though they are certainly leading the charge). People are beginning to realize that the war on drugs has been an expensive failure. The past three US presidents have all admitted to smoking weed, and they still managed to lead somewhat successful lives. The people who took Reefer Madness seriously are mostly dead and buried. And of course taxation would be a new source of funds for struggling state governments, and lower incarceration rates would save funds currently being wasted. People noticed that even with the fairly lax medicinal marijuana regulation in California, the sky somehow managed to stay firmly affixed above them.

But when I think of California's upcoming ballot initiative, I can't help thinking about all the would-be potheads that will come out to vote. You've got your 20-somethings who may normally have no interest in voting but would register and vote if it meant they could smoke a little weed without being a criminal. You've also got your successful professional middle-aged smokers, who may not fit the pothead stereotype, but believe me, they're out there. And then you've got probably millions of people like me, who quit smoking it when they started families because it's not worth the risk of coming up against the draconian drug policies that became common as the war on drugs escalated.

I live in Iowa, a purple state by pretty much every measure. The Des Moines Register did a non-scientific poll not long ago asking respondents whether or not they supported medical marijuana in Iowa. I don't remember the exact percentage supporting it, but it was in the 80's. If there's that much support in Iowa, there's surely that much in New York, Vermont, Oregon, Washington, etc.

So I say we put these initiatives on ballots in more states than just California. Maybe the more conservative states aren't ready for full-on recreational legalization, so go with medical there as a first step. The main effect will be that some sensible laws regarding marijuana get passed, but the icing on the cake will be that having these on the ballot will bring out a lot of left-leaning voters. Legalization has long been a pet issue amongst liberals, who are the Democratic Party's base despite all the pandering the party does to the middle these days. The young potheads, the older wish-they-could-still-smoke-it-without-getting-their-door-kicked-in folks, these groups will lean largely toward liberal ideologies. Granted, not all pot smokers are Democrats and not all Democrats are pot smokers, but the circles are largely overlapping on that particular Venn diagram.

Incidentally, this is a trick the right has been using for years. Does the base not have much to get excited about this year? Slap a gay marriage ban on the ballot and watch them show up at the polls! Well, I think there's a lot more people out there who wish they could run down to the 24/7 and buy a pack of joints than there are who give a damn what gay people call their partners. Let's beat 'em at their own game.

Oh, and we'll also be able to smoke weed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:21 PM
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1. I'm there!
:smoke:
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:22 PM
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2. Far from a bad idea
I don't smoke pot and am unlikely to start, but this could really work for us.

Bryant
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:25 PM
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3. 60% of Republicans oppose legalizing mj
so Californians shouldn't think this will pass easily (look what happened when the Mormons got into your politics)

there are a lot of republicans in CA.

if CA does legalize, I'd love to move there. No more migraines!! yeah!!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:36 PM
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11. But how strong is their opposition?
Strong enough to go vote against it? Plus, if 60% of republicans oppose it, that means 40% don't oppose it. Add those to the 60 to 70% of democrats who will support legalization, and you've got pretty easy passage.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:47 PM
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13. I don't know. I just hope the ppl in CA don't assume it's a given
and hope lots and lots of them get out to the polls to make history...

because CA has been the leader for the rest of the nation on issue after issue - the way I see it, NY and DC respond to what's come out of the west coast for at least the last two decades - so I'm just saying.. don't assume the repukes won't try to use mj to get out votes too.

This issue is going to be resolved at the state level, tho. the federal govt is too entrenched, too easily manipulated by fears of someone using this as a political issue, too full of stupid crackers (sorry if you're a stupid cracker, but I don't know what else to call the bible and mormom belt of this nation... which is also where I live, btw... in the middle of cracker country, unfortunately.)

Since there's no specific constitutional amendment to repeal, as in prohibition, I don't know if the feds decide after x amt of states decriminalize if the law needs to reflect the American people's view of something or what.

What I hope will happen after the vote is that the AMA will get the DEA to move mj off of scheduled drugs completely. but if they at least bump it down to "known medical usage" that would at least keep the feds from looking like total fools - which is what the scheduling does now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:26 PM
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4. There's a new base in town. I don't think they care much about pot. n/t
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:28 PM
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7. What are you, high?
(sorry, couldn't resist)

I think RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris would take a pretty keen interest.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:34 PM
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10. You know, maybe they would, if they were smart.
:)
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:51 PM
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14. I'll bet somebody there's already prepping.
They've probably got brand names and marketing strategies all picked out.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:28 PM
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5. "...successful professional middle-aged smokers...."
(Raises hand)

And yep, I will be bringing as many friends to the polls with me as I can, too. I'm thinking free pizza and doritos will bring 'em out of the woodwork! :rofl:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:28 PM
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6. k/r
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:29 PM
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8. My first thought was also that it would mobilize the liberal segment of California
But then I thought back to prop 8 and I could swear that the mood was that there was no way in hell it would pass and so maybe lots of people stayed home?

OTOH, even if polls show 100% of repukes opposed it, I'll bet that a good % of them smoke pot and would vote to legalize it, but would never admit it, but would be pleased to see pot be legal in CA because then they'd have one more thing to complain (hypocritcally) about "liberal" California (while secretly getting high). It's how they do.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:31 PM
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9. There's a name for republicans who smoke pot.
"Libertarians"
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:36 PM
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12. Sounds good to me! n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:52 PM
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15. That would be a great wedge issue.
The pubs would be steamrolled.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:58 PM
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16. Well, here in rural North Carolina...every wingnut I know gets stoned.
In fact, the ONLY people I know who SELL pot to the other local yokels, are rightwingers. It would bring 'em all to the polls in this southern stronghold.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:00 PM
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17. How do you go about putting something on the ballot???
Does it take money, lawyers, sponsors, power, legislative approval??? What? I think it's a great idea!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:07 PM
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21. I wish I knew.
I'm sure somebody here knows. Probably decided by a ballot committee or something. Probably varies state by state. Maybe if you just get enough signatures on a petition?
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:00 PM
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18. I think the nationwide legalization of pot is pretty much inevitable.

Great post!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:02 PM
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19. At the base level, pot is not a right/left issue and hasn't been for a long time.
Like loudsue said up thread, there are as many right wing stoners as there are left wing. Not saying it wouldn't be a good idea to get it on a ballot but as a political strategy its hardly a 'sure thing'.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:04 PM
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20. While I don't doubt the existence of such people, in 30 yrs of smoking pot ...
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 05:05 PM by Echo In Light
... and traveling in those circles, playing in bar bands, knowing a lot of people, I've yet to actually encounter any...that I knew of, anyway

edit - good PDS sig line, incidentally
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:25 PM
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22. My right-wing brother-in-law smokes very casually.
As in, if you offer him a toke, he'll usually take it. He'd never vote for it though, because "won't somebody think of the children?"
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:11 PM
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23. Hard to say, I guess.
Limited experience but I've sometimes been surprised by blue and white-colar Republican drug use, including pot. Mostly 'closeted' of course for obvious reasons. I think a lot of young people do it cause it is 'cool' when they are in high school or college and some of them continue as adults. Just saying I don't think this necessarily translates into 'liberal' political attitudes or any specific political consciousness at all. It would be interesting to see a political demographic study of cannabis use. Clearly in the 60s and 70s cannabis use was identified w/ the left but I'm not sure that is as clear a line now as it once was.

As for PDS, yes, thanks. I first met him in the mid 90s and we continue to be acquaintances. Incredible intellect.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:25 PM
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24. Well, you will also bring out the libertarians
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:30 PM
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25. The GOP is doing it right now in the NYS Senate..
Letting us have our freedoms. Reducing taxes, increasing public safety..
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