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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:27 PM
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Who Would Jesus Terrorize?
http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2010/03/faces-of-terror-in-america-today.html">The Faces of Terror in America Today

I used to think the recipe for creating a Christian Taliban in America was simple: just eliminate the separation of church and state in this country and wait 20 years. Within a generation, you would see extremists pop out to take out what secular elements of American culture remained through violence.

But today, I was proved wrong. Looks like the recipe is even simpler: put a black man in the White House on the heels of an administration that drove the economy into the ground, and watch that black man try to give an additional 30 million Americans access to health care. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the faces of the first legally documented Christian terror cell:


Christian militia terrorists in U.S. charged in plot against police officers
March 29, 5:06 PMWorld News ExaminerRaymond Gellner


Eight of the nine suspects charged in the Hutaree case: from top left, David Brian Stone Sr.; David Brian Stone Jr.; Jacob Ward; Tina Mae Stone; and bottom row from left, Michael David Meeks; Kristopher T. Sickles; Joshua John Clough; and Thomas William Piatek.
AP Photo/U.S. Marshal’s Service

Detroit, Michigan - On Monday, nine members of a Christian terrorist militant group were arraigned and charged by a grand jury with conspiring to attack and kill police officers including those attending a funeral in an attempt to expand their war against the group’s enemy, namely the United States.

The indictment charges the people involved with conspiracy to kill police officers, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, training on the use of explosive devices, seditious conspiracy, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.

The group, Hutaree, consists of several members in several states, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. The members were planning to kill a police officer, and then when other officers attended the funeral, they planned to detonate IED devices to kill police officers in attendance of the service. FBI officials stated that the attacks were being planned by the group to occur some time in April. IEDs (improvised explosive devices) are considered weapons of mass destruction, and are frequently used by al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups.

According to the Hutaree website, the word Hutaree means “Christian Warrior,” though no such term appears to exist in any standard dictionary.

http://www.examiner.com/x-27431-World-News-Examiner~y2010m3d29-Christian-militia-terrorists-in-US-charged-in-plot-against-police-officers


Courtesy of CNN, here is a PDF link for the http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/stone.pdf">indictment. What scares me is the possibility that this may only be the first scare from the fringe. As author David Cay Johnston said to Chris Hedges recently:

"If we see the end of this country it will come from the right and our failure to provide people with the basic necessities of life," said Johnston. "Revolutions occur when young men see the present as worse than the unknown future. We are not there. But it will not take a lot to get there. The politicians running for office who are denigrating the government, who are saying there are traitors in Congress, who say we do not need the IRS, this when no government in the history of the world has existed without a tax enforcement agency, are sowing the seeds for the destruction of the country. A lot of the people on the right hate the United States of America. They would say they hate the people they are arrayed against. But the whole idea of the United States is that we criticize the government. We remake it to serve our interests. They do not want that kind of society. They reject, as Aristotle said, the idea that democracy is to rule and to be ruled in turns. They see a world where they are right and that is it. If we do not want to do it their way we should be vanquished. This is not the idea on which the United States was founded."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/08-2

What is the solution to this problem? Well, there's the immediate reactive solution that is currently underway through our Department of Justice. But the more preventative answer lies deeper. It needs to be addressed on a cultural level as well as a political level. As I said in my previous blog entry, unless we switch from an economic paradigm based on permanent growth to an economic paradigm based on sustainable living for all citizens, our society will dissolve into an ideological fracas In Jesus' Name. When that happens, we won't have democracy, we'll have theocracy. Our more specifically, rule by men pretending to divine how God would rule through their twisted interpretation of the Bible transmitted into law.

Is that the direction this country should go? We already know the answer that the Hutaree have for this question. The real question for intelligent democracy-loving Americans is: What needs to be accomplished to ensure that we don't go in this direction?
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:30 PM
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1. Even the 'woman' in that picture looks like a man...
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:38 PM
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4. Looks like Lynndie England's mother.
Can't you just see the love of Jesus in their faces? :sarcasm:
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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:10 PM
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11. What the hell does THAT have to do with anything? Srsly?!
There are a million things wrong with these people, but you choose to comment that the one female arrested isn't a 'pretty' girl?

*exasperated sigh*
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:30 PM
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2. k/r
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:34 PM
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3. k&r - nt
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:51 PM
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5. Beware The Mullet
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:17 AM
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15. And Also The Skinhead
They're a little bit country and a little bit KKK.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:54 PM
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6. domestic terrorism doesn't seem to make these people happy.....?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:27 PM
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8. Christian terrorism has been around since the Middle Ages
and the Holy Wars. Not all German Christians were Nazis, but a good number of German Nazis were Christian (Lutheran or Catholic), as opposed to following a pagan religion of Teutonic mythology. The iron cross was not a Nazi invention, it was from the Prussian era which came earlier from the (Catholic) Teutonic Knights. But the religious inheritance is there.

Leave it to America to really get twisted and zany with the Christian religion. If you thought the Branch Davidians were nuts, I think the Hutare sect is taking this down to the next level of depravity, this group is absolutely wacko.


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:54 PM
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10. True. In this country, it's been around since at least 1692.
The Puritans were the first Christian terrorists to have a body count on their fellow countrymen. That's not even counting all the Native Americans slaughtered prior to that in the name of "Christianizing" them.

I took a look at the Hutaree website and yes, they are absolutely wacko. Terrorizing cops and their families in the name of Christ. How twisted is that?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:34 PM
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9. The truth
unless we switch from an economic paradigm based on permanent growth to an economic paradigm based on sustainable living for all citizens, our society will dissolve into an ideological fracas In Jesus' Name.
----
It's that simple - many of these RW loonies have been neglected by the system. More than a few are too stupid to know that.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:43 PM
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12. Thanks for highlighting that. Wonder if that's where all the unrecs are coming from.
I wouldn't go as far as Chris Hedges does and say we are to blame for their creation, but as much as we continue to sustain the unsustainable, we are all responsible for each other. As much as the right would like to deny it, the simple truth is that there is a Social Contract underpinning the foundation of our society that could become unglued if we don't address that Global Warming and Peak Oil are flip sides of the same coin: fossil fuel dependence. Those twin crises are a symptom of the bigger disease: the Infinite Growth Paradigm. Until the system is corrected, more and more loonies will come out of the woodwork.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:45 PM
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13. +1000
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:47 PM
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14. Where have I seen those faces before?
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 07:53 PM by gmoney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

P.S. I do believe this scene inspired the big finale of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:50 AM
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16. "talk about genetic deficiencies"
So sad. Why such an innate fear of "outsiders"?

Classic scene.
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