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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:06 PM
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Stand back! This may get ugly---
When people engage in phony "polite" conversation while straining to avoid mentioning some obvious, important and usually unpleasant fact, it is said that they are "ignoring the elephant in the room".

I gotta tell you, people, if that was literally true, you could hardly catch a glimpse of most pundits and political commentators on TV lately due to the HERD of pachiderms crowding the set! In trying to avoid insulting or offending some God-fearing sure enough red-blooded American patriot---i.e., your average Republican---some very obvious but inconvenient facts are being studiously ignored.

I will now mention just a few:

1.) SARAH PALIN IS A HAPLESS TWIT. She is not a "plain-spoken intellectual". She is of, perhaps, average intelligence, but is spectacularly unread, incurious and uneducated. She is not "clever", she is manipulative and she is laughing all the way to the bank as she makes money off people who cannot afford to get sick but shell out $30 for a copy of her self-serving ghost-written book.
Further, any politician who compliments her intelligence or competency or accomplishments is either a liar or a damned fool and, hopefully, confessing their disqualification for any public office.
Finally, any "journalist" who fails to question anyone who opines contrary to the above is unworthy of being called a journalist. Bill Moyers is a journalist. Neil Cavuto is a whore.

2.) THE MAJORITY OF THE TEABAGGERS ARE FRIGHTENED IGNORAMUSES BEING ENCOURAGED BY RACISTS AND PSYCHOPATHS TO RAISE HELL IN PUBLIC.
That's it in a nutshell. To credit them with a valid political point of view, as a group, is pandering of the worst sort. Sure, there is some genuine populist outrage out there---that WE should be addressing---but, to treat these lame-ass frauds as a possible viable political party is just nuts---and a waste of resources.

3.) THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRUE MISANTHROPES, THOSE LIKELY TO ACTUALLY HURT SOMEONE WITH WHOM THEY DISAGREE, ARE RIGHT WING TRUE BELIEVERS, NOT LEFTIES. To pretend otherwise---or to ALLOW others to so pretend---is both disingenuous and dangerous. As Keith Olberman just said, "Where are the left-wing militias?". Even if wingnuts can point to a few incidents where a Republican was threatened or assaulted, everyone KNOWS there have been ten or more Democrats threatened for every stray bullet that barely penetrated a window in a building in which Eric Cantor rented an office. This is HORSESHIT, people!

4.) CORPORATIONS RUN THIS COUNTRY AND MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD. Our victories are instances where Big Business miscalculated and something egalitarian and unprofitable resulted. We may characterize the GOP as the "party of big business", but that distinction is simply a matter of degree. We have our share of bought-and-paid-for corporate shills and the stench of tainted contributions fouls the air of every party gathering. Unavoidably, most of our "news" is provided by these corporations.

5.) THERE ARE MORE OF "US" THAN THAN "THEM". If the lower and middle classes and all others who value social justice, integrity and tolerance could be sufficiently educated as to their true self-interest, conservatism would be be relegated to that much ballyhooed "ash bin of history."

That will do for now. My blood pressure is nearing normal again. Just needed to brush back some of the stupidity that is peddled without challenge or objection on OUR airwaves daily.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:16 PM
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1. K&R
I think one reason this is being ignored is that most of these "journalists" are scared of being targeted, themselves.

Or maybe they're just secretly on the side of the teabaggers to some degree, because they don't want their high salaries taxed.

Either way, screw 'em.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:22 PM
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2. K&R!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:22 PM
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3. well said!
That was a most excellent rant, happily recommended! :toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:24 PM
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4. The only left wing militia I've ever heard of is Unitarian Jihad.
:)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:39 PM
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7. I hear they make good pie.
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:38 AM
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58. Let us rally to their battle cry:
Be reasonable!

Sister Flaming Sharpened Screwdriver of Divine Compassion
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:17 AM
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66. We're waiting for the summary of the report of the vote of the subcommittee
on Neighborhood Social Event Planning.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:37 PM
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76. I thought their cry was
"We believe in something! Though we aren't sure what to call it. And you should believe in something too! But really it is perfectly ok if you don't and philosophies count... say would you like to hang out and chat over coffee?"
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:08 PM
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91. OOOH Patty Herst and the SLA
How about that entire block that was burned in Philly in the 90's. That's how America treats leftist militias.

How could these cop killer assholes in Michigan get so built up?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:31 PM
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5. Point #4 especially important and they look for twits like Palin
to use as puppets.
Palin is W in a skirt.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:34 PM
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6. Sarah Palin Is a Jerry Springer Audience Member and Featured Guest
Why anyone of normal intelligence and average morals would even WANT to watch her is beyond me. She cannot fade fast enough.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:05 PM
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8. The plain, unvarnished truth in a nutshell
K&R
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:22 PM
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9. Nice rant
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Nancy Ruth Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:40 PM
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10. Well said.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 11:15 PM
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11. Well spoken
Another thing I'm tired of is everyone pussy footing around when a politician lies. Especially and including those on "our side".
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:43 AM
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29. Thank you!!!
Every time I make the mistake of watching the corporate news and I hear the phrase mislead or partial truth I end up screaming that it was a (bleep)ing lie!!!

We were mislead into war by * and Cheney and a complicit government sounds so much more innocuous than saying that they started wars that have killed and continue to kill untold numbers of human beings and it was all done based on outright lies. It doesn't do justice to the true horrors these people have endured.

They LIED and need to be held accountable whether their name is followed by (R) or (D).
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:25 PM
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107. They LIED and need to be held accountable whether their name is followed by (R) or (D).
The R's certainly called it one and dealt with Clinton's lie.... about nothing important.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 05:51 AM
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118. That was money, time & effort well spent according to the republican base.
Let's see; in the US, a politician cheating on his wife is much more important than starting a war. That must be because Republicans never cheat on their spouses..... well that is they never do until they get caught in the act.

Can you imagine the uproar that the RW would raise if Bushco was ever actually indicted for war crimes while Clinton was allowed to have an affair?

That is one set of screwed up priorities that the RW espouses.

You'd think that we'd be used to it by now, but I still find myself stunned by some of their hypocrisy that they so brazenly display for all to see.

Family values brought to you by the party of do as we say and not as we do.

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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 11:21 PM
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12. K & FUCKING R!!!
:toast:
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 11:50 PM
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13. K&R n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:12 AM
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14. true so true
and we have to educate and inform and change US culture!
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:13 AM
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15. K & R n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:16 AM
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16. " 4.) CORPORATIONS RUN THIS COUNTRY AND MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD."
The rule is that no issues can be framed by talking about corp's in the media - ever.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:25 AM
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17. All we have left is numbers. If we don't join together for some massive general strikes, something
much worse will happen. There's no hidden sinister sub-text here, it's just the pendulum has never swung this far toward corporate dominance before - in the past there were still family farms and shops. Something will have to give.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:23 AM
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18. Can we add a few?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:25 AM by Sancho
6.) MOST HEALTH PROFESSIONALS THINK THAT THE SYSTEM IS SCREWED UP AND HATE INSURANCE COMPANIES MORE THAN "WE" DO. For profit hospitals and crazy permissions are the frustration of almost everyone in the health professions. A public option and even single payer is "secretly" supported by lots of practicing health care folks, and everyone is sick and tired of being laughed at by a world that realized in the last century how our health care is stupid and ugly. At least medicare for all is a minimum.

7.) LIKEWISE, BAD SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS ARE SENSATIONAL HEADLINES, BUT MOST OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WOULD BE FINE IF THE DAMN POLITICIANS WOULD QUIT WITH THE EXPENSIVE TESTING PROGRAMS, NUTTY TEXTBOOK REVISIONS, AND PRIVATE CONTRACTS TO STEAL PUBLIC MONEY. Compared to 50 years ago, most schools systems have tried to keep up with technology, hire good teachers, and get a handle on discipline problems. Florida spent over $125,000,000 developing a test and over $40,000,000 a year to administer it - which is like spending $20,000 on an air gauge to determine that you have a flat tire. It's simply stupid and the same waste is repeated in every state. Giving public money to private companies to "fix" schools is just another get rich scheme cooked up by the already wealthy - they really don't care if your kid gets educated or not. Social problems are difficult to solve, and making everyone take a high-stakes test, firing all the teachers, and handing out textbooks that substitute John Calvin for Thomas Jefferson won't fix anything.

8.) TRUE JUSTICE WOULD PUNISH THE BAD GUYS! Bankers and CEO's who steal should go to jail, those who torture should be put on trial, and contractors who rip off our government deserve rendition and public whipping in foreign countries even if it is unconstitutional.

9.) IT IS TIME TO STOP BEING THE ARMS FACTORY AND BULLY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD. UNNECESSARY WARS, TRILLIONS SPENT ON BOMBS AND BULLETS, AND KILLING PEOPLE FOR PROFIT HAS TO STOP! My life began during a war with Korea, then I was A1 in the Vietnam draft, then we decided to jump into Iran-Contra, Iraq, and Afghanistan. These are all made up wars of convenience and profit - and all that money and technology could have solved many energy problems instead of murdering the innocent and creating more enemies. All the stupid militias made of crazies with guns are a product of glorifying war, too.

10.) FINALLY, I SEE LOTS OF HARD-WORKING IMMIGRANTS WHO WANT A LIFE. After 20 years in Florida, it makes no sense to me why there isn't a practical way for someone to legally become a tax-paying citizen. If there are quotas or rules or some hoops to jump through that is fine. Going for decades as an undocumented alien and living outside the system for millions is insane. The only reason we have this mess is that rich business owners like it when they can hire cheap people (virtual slaves) while keeping them from voting, organizing, or becoming educated. I don't care how they do it, but we're way past Ellis Island now. I don't want to hear another thing except exactly what it takes to become a voting citizen.

Thanks, Atticus I enjoyed the ranting...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:23 AM
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28. Nice supplement to
the Atticus OP! #8 is of particular significance. Of course #9 is also a good one. They're all good!
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:10 AM
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38. Wish I could "Rec" a reply.
Very nicely done.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:48 AM
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49. More Truthiness, thank you
#9 on your list is very true also. The kicker to all of the killing America does, and all of the arms it produces....is that the arms are actually produced in third world countries (we'll be one soon enough) where they have an actual production process. The bullet, bomb, etc...doesn't matter where it was produced, It will kill you anyway. It is just adding salt on the wound when Americas manufacturing capabilities no longer exist and even the American killing machine exports its manufacturing base to countries that pay slave wages, when they pay at all. America is a capitalist country with no means of production. Sure, we (the top 1%) have all the money to pay for production but refuse to employee Americans because they demand a living wage. Aren't Unions terrible and the end of America? They actually demand that working citizens be paid a living wage. Why are there no Financial Unions? Because those, "no labor here", people do not need one. They are guaranteed huge salaries and bonuses so long as they keep the money flowing. Look around you. Notice how the other "civilized" countries treat their workers and all of their citizens? Single Payer Health Care (that is much better than ours), paid leaves for multiple reasons, If we don't adapt some Socialist policies quick, we will be a third world country. We already have the worst wealth distribution in the world. We are a country of slaves, at least 95% of us anyway....
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:03 PM
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85. Yes - agree with all 10 of them so far. n/t
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:26 PM
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102. Those are great additions to my list! Replies like yours are what caused this post to
"take off" like it did. I think everyone is just relieved to know they are not alone in feeling supremely pissed off at the smarmy tap-dancing that passes for political debate.

One more thing: your number 8 might be expanded to include convicting most of the Bush administration for war crimes and felonies committed against the American people. Their sorry asses in Marion, Illinois for the rest of their days would indeed be "true justice."

Thanks again for your reply.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:33 PM
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116. I can hardly stand it that the Bushies were "elected" in the chad election in FL.
The whole family back to Prescott should be under the jail. Thanks for a great post.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:39 AM
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19. Excellent rant
Rec
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:47 AM
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20. this is why the country is collapsing.>Link> bottom 80% holds only 7% of all financial wealth..
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:47 AM by sam sarrha
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:36 AM
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23. top 1% owns more than the bottom 95% combined. nt.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:32 PM
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97. this is the Stuff French Revolutions are made of....
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:51 AM
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24. That's something you will never see on CNN or FOX. They are all corporate controlled. nt
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 AM
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21. Kick and record ...AND AMen!!
Atticus, you acutally got 137 recommends. I was reading your post @ 2:50 am PST, got happy and ACCIDENTLY hit the wrong button. So, although it shows 1 unrecommend, It was a mistake and you actually have 137 recommends.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:59 AM
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22. k/r
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:58 AM
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25. K & R
Sounds like someones been watching CNN.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:15 AM
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26. That is very good, Atticus!
And I agree.

If our side was even allowed to explain our position we would win hands down. The recent Supreme Court decision alone should sink the GOP forever more. We are not exploiting this and other issues to our advantage.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:18 AM
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27. k/r
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TatonkaJames Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:54 AM
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30. Looks like we agree
ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID ! :-)
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:11 AM
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31. Very good rant. I enjoyed it. I would add one more.
I think someone upstream on this post has touched on this but I wish to emphasize it.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN THE AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM. From the Supreme Court on down the courts are packed with RepubliCON tools who act as if they have sworn allegiance to the Corporations and RepubliCONS. The bushes, Cheney, Rumsfield and most of the CIA have tortured innocent people for fun and profits. Yet our useless justice system is busily declaring that corporations are people too. No one has held them accountable for their war crimes. This don't look backward meme is a ruse to avoid justice. We lock away people who use pot and allow murders and torturers a free pass. Judges are taking bribes and corporations run a muck throwing money at anything that stands in their way. And there in lies the biggest injustice of all, If you are rich in this country you can get away with murder.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:39 AM
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32. One of my favorite quotes....
"In truth, politeness is artificial good humor, it covers the natural want of it, and ends by rendering habitual a substitute nearly equivalent to the real virtue."
Thomas Jefferson
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:41 AM
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33. I'm getting really sick of "They both do it" GRRRRRRRRRR!

We need media reform!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:50 AM
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34. Kick,kick,kick and Recommended!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:57 AM
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35. My personal mantra for the week!
2.) THE MAJORITY OF THE TEABAGGERS ARE FRIGHTENED IGNORAMUSES BEING ENCOURAGED BY RACISTS AND PSYCHOPATHS TO RAISE HELL IN PUBLIC.


That's it in a nutshell. To credit them with a valid political point of view, as a group, is pandering of the worst sort. Sure, there is some genuine populist outrage out there---that WE should be addressing---but, to treat these lame-ass frauds as a possible viable political party is just nuts---and a waste of resources.

No one could have said this better.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:03 AM
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36. that was a great rant
succinct and to the point.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:08 AM
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37. I don't know it this has been said yet but,,
I remember during the campaign when one of them KILLED someone in Hillary's campaign office.

Recently,the guard was KILLED in the Holocaust museum.

There have been many incidents and when these nuts do something they usually KILL someone...
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:12 AM
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39. K&R
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The Old Creak Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:32 AM
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40. I'm New Here
and, god, I love these kinds of threads.:kick:
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:38 AM
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42. Welcome to DU. Where ya been?
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:36 AM
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41. Rant on! (And keep your blood pressure down) We're here for ya!
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:45 AM
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43. Yes
That's all there is to say. I am sick and tired of the "equality" brigade which would make a peace protest the equivalent of Tea Baggers spitting and hurling racist crap at Congressmen, or even threatening violence against law maker's children. No, these things are NOT equal, in the mind no sane-thinking person can they be judged as equal.

The media needs to state the facts and not live in fear of making the pawns of their corporate masters look like the miserable monsters they are. They are lying when they don't tell it like it is.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:02 AM
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44. Not all people who are lower income are stupid. We just haven't had opportunities others have
gotten in life. I live in a rural area. I finished high school. I couldn't go to college because I helped support my family. I don't have regrets because family comes first. I agree with everything you said. We can show MSM and the right we mean business by going to vote. I have a feeling it won't be as bad if we democrats get out and vote. For some reason the right keeps saying the MSM is liberal when we know it leans right now. EVERYONE GO VOTE. Let us show them.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:49 PM
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111. My dad never finished high school and was one of the wisest men I'll ever know.
I am first in my family to go beyond high school. I hope nothing in my post was interpreted as saying that lower income earners are stupid. Not at all what I believe.

Thanks for your response. I agree with your entire post.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:31 AM
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45. K&R
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:37 AM
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46. May I add another, rather sizable and maddeningly ignored elephant?...
FOX NEWS CONTINUES TO GET AWAY WITH CALLING ITSELF "NEWS". It is mind boggling to me that even semi-respectable MSM outlets continue to call FOX "news". Does it even begin to make sense that this obscene shill for the most radical fringe of the far right still gets to use the word "news"? In my opinion THIS elephant is among the most dangerous. It has caused "real" news organizations that at least TRY to report real news to slip further and further to the right in their own reporting. It has completely changed--for the worse--what passes for political discourse in this country. It takes the argument, "If you're not telling MY side of the story, no matter how wacky, stupid, or backward it may be, then you're not being 'fair and balanced.'" It is responsible for keeping our most uninformed, uneducated citizens even more uninformed and more uneducated. It causes them to fight for the right to be slaves to the mega-corporations that feed our political system billions in cash, and spits out lame excuses for legislators like Eric "I got shot at too!" Cantor and John "Hell no! You can't!" Boehner. Fox Propaganda is anything but "news" and we need to reserve the word "news" for organizations that at least attempt to be true to it, NOT FOR ELEPHANTS.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:01 PM
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90. They're welcome to call it "Fox News", as long as they remember to make the air quotes. nt
:evilgrin:

and a belated welcome to DU!
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:38 AM
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47. Thanks a very clear and concise picture....I am beyond tired..
of the media whores who want to balance information as if that were even possible. There are no left wing militias. And thank you so much for saying that Palin is a twit. I would have called her an idiot, a cruel idiot.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:47 AM
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48. Palin is a metaphor of the Republican Party: half-educated
reactionarys who think it is 1955 and no one but heterosexual, caucasian meat-eaters are real Americans. However, Atticus, the metaphor is getting more real. It's time to arm yourself, if you haven't already. These folks aren't going to care that Progressives are basically peace-loving. A word to the wise...
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:49 AM
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50. K & R
:applause:
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:49 AM
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51. K&R
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:51 AM
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52. Oh man
You nailed it. How refreshing.
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:55 AM
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53. excellent post - nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:55 AM
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54. Angry Lefties march and sing songs. Angry Righties blow up buildings, shoot people, and ram their
car into yours if you have an Obama bumper sticker (see DU post -http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8058930)
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:48 AM
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69. Generally true, but there was the Weather Underground
in the 60's. But they were the exception to the rule.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:09 AM
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55. K&R!
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:17 AM
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56. Excellent!
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:31 AM
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57. I agree with this, but have one comment.
Great post, and I agree with allof it, especially item 4.

As Keith Olberman just said, "Where are the left-wing militias?".

I am a strong supporter of the right to keep and bear arms, and believe the reason why our founders wanted an armed citizenry and specifically set up a decentralized military system was so that an overly-powerful federal government would not have the military ability to enforce a tyranny nor engage in military expeditions without the consent and participation of the states as a whole.

The primary reason there are no left-wing militias is because, in my opinion, the left tends to be far more trusting of government and considers it to be far more a benign organization than they should, and than our founders did.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:19 AM
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67. I also support RKBA but...
I question that reasoning for militia. Hamilton, in Federalist #29 states the reason for a "well regulated militia" is that the US cannot afford to have a standing army. I don't know of any document that says otherwise.

It is also clear from Hamilton's context that "well regulated" does not mean "restricted." Rather, it means "capable" or "qualified." A SCUBA diver has a well regulated air supply. I don't think a restricted air supply will do.

--imm
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:25 AM
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68. That does not make sense.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 11:36 AM by gorfle
Hamilton, in Federalist #29 states the reason for a "well regulated militia" is that the US cannot afford to have a standing army.

If the states could collectively all afford to raise their own armies, surely they could have collectively raised a single army.

The entire premise of our founders was a system of checks and balances. This is true through the branches of government, and I firmly believe was their intent militarily as well.

For example, Hamilton says early on in Federalist 29:

"If standing armies are dangerous to liberty, an efficacious power over the militia, in the body to whose care the protection of the State is committed, ought, as far as possible, to take away the inducement and the pretext to such unfriendly institutions."

Clearly Hamilton believes that "standing armies are dangerous to liberty", and are "unfriendly institutions", which is why state-controlled militias were seen as preferable. It's not about monetary cost.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:58 AM
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72. You have a point, but first, a militia is not a standing army...
and does not incur the expense. I see your point about Hamilton's deference to checks and balances, but further down he says:
The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States.

My inference is that the states could not afford armies either.

--imm
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:39 AM
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59. Each of these arise from the continuing Assault on Education
Great rants Atticus & Sancho! All too true.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:45 AM
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60. research backs you up on this
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRUE MISANTHROPES, THOSE LIKELY TO ACTUALLY HURT SOMEONE WITH WHOM THEY DISAGREE, ARE RIGHT WING TRUE BELIEVERS, NOT LEFTIES.


"The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank-and-file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?"

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:51 AM
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61. K&R
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:51 AM
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62. We hold these truths to be self-evident n/t
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:04 AM
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63. ALL TRUE!!!!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:12 AM
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64. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Atticus.:thumbsup:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:13 AM
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65. Yep.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:49 AM
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70. Corporations Rule Most Of The World
But they don't rule Scandinavia and don't totally own a lot of Western Europe. It drives the corporations nuts too.

I agree with the obvious conclusion that the tea baggers are filled with a bevy of non rocket scientists, people who could well not be cracking three digits IQ wise.

I think we need to have a program to make everyone spend a week in Denmark and see how that country works for most everyone, see that the "conservatives" there are miles left of our democratic party. See that there is a much better way, a way not totally tilted to the ruling class like the US.

America is just filled with too many pliable sheep, it's sad but it's the simple truth. We are all being played and only some of us grasp that fact or even care to grasp that fact.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:56 AM
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71. 30 yrs ago there were these scary things called hippies. They fought for Civil Rights for all
The Right still thinks these dirty long-haired African American loving drug crazed freaks like Nancy Pelosi are hiding everywhere, with every intention of taking every dime those poor Social Security dependent patriots have and giving it to the black and hispanic gangs across the street for their rampant sex crazed baby mamas to buy drug money with food stamps.

and NOTHING and NOBODY will talk them out of it. Especially anyone who might somewhere have touched or helped a black person. They are forever tainted.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:26 PM
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114. My parents thought I was exactly the crazy hippie that you describe!
I thought 1969 was a GREAT year to be a young rebellious scofflaw - but I was really freaked over being A1 in the draft in 1970 - and voting for Jimmy Carter was so cool. Major Dad was really, really sure that I'd turn out to be a worthless bum!

Rest his soul that I turned out to be one of those crazy, liberal educators that the freepers think will influence young minds. In hindsight, I loved every opportunity to protest back then.

Peace!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:11 PM
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73. i'll go with point #2 - but all apply--most of them don't have
any health insurance at all and rely heavily on public assistance one way or another,but that's OK...apparently that is not 'big government' just TAX DOLLARS coming in from the tooth fairy.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:19 PM
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74. +69 trillion
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:31 PM
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75. MILITIA GROUPS THAT WANT TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT ARE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS
For some reason, no one in the media has been willing to call the Hutaree group terrorists. But that's what they are. And the guy that flew his Cesna into the IRS building? HE WAS A TERRORIST! You don't have to be a Muslim to be a terrorist. (Unless the definition has changed).
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:44 PM
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77. 2.) THE MAJORITY OF THE TEABAGGERS ARE FRIGHTENED IGNORAMUSES BEING ENCOURAGED
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 12:45 PM by midnight
by United Health care.


2.) THE MAJORITY OF THE TEABAGGERS ARE FRIGHTENED IGNORAMUSES BEING ENCOURAGED BY RACISTS AND PSYCHOPATHS TO RAISE HELL IN PUBLIC.
That's it in a nutshell. To credit them with a valid political point of view, as a group, is pandering of the worst sort. Sure, there is some genuine populist outrage out there---that WE should be addressing---but, to treat these lame-ass frauds as a possible viable political party is just nuts---and a waste of resources.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:49 PM
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78. your conclusion on #5 seems a bit optimistic....
yes, there are more of us than there are of them, but if we started to consistently vote that way, do you really think the corporatists would sit back and submit to majority vote? they only believe in majority vote when they win.

if there's no profit in democracy, they'll find another way.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:56 PM
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79. All too true. K & R for putting the nuts in a nutshell. As for the corporations,
they will destroy us all at the rate we are going. They are the Lord of the Flies.
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Georgia farmer Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:11 PM
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80. Facts or opinion
The only problem I have with your post is you say certain facts are being ignored and then you go on to state your opinion with no facts.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:23 PM
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81. excuse me, but that's just plain idiotic.
but feel free to try again.

I mean, do we have to quote sarah palin's iq score for her utter intellectual inferiority and vapidness to be a "fact" to you?
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Georgia farmer Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:30 PM
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82. You did it too.
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Georgia farmer Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:54 PM
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84. Rules
But please remember that this is a large and diverse community that includes a broad range of opinion. People who are easily offended, or who are not accustomed to having their opinions (including deeply personal convictions) challenged may not feel entirely comfortable here. A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:05 PM
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86. When something is self-evident, it means the facts are obvious.
Well, to anyone with a brain, that is.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:17 PM
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101. The burden of the proof being on you since you are making the accusations.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 06:18 PM by liberation
Or were you so concerned that it made your opinion turn magically into fact? For a person so concerned with facts, it seems you could not be bothered with pointing out the actual opinions expressed by the OP which are fallacious and your rebuttal of them using facts.

Projection is a cruel mistress...
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:31 PM
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83. Love it
Now lets make sure all the sensible people get out and vote in November so the people stand a chance against the corporations and their army of stupid.
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Stellar Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:10 PM
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87. The peoples NEWS should be reported the peoples way.
"Just needed to brush back some of the stupidity that is peddled without challenge or objection on OUR airwaves daily."


That's the problem with our society, the MSM bought and paid for by 'BIG BUSINESS'. There should be a way to hold them all accountable. Maybe we would be better off broadcasting the evening news on PBS. One hour a day bought and paid for by the people.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:34 PM
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88. K & R
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truthrocks Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:55 PM
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89. EXCELLENT REMINDER OF REALITY - THANK YOU!!
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:15 PM
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92. It's not like Point number 1 was difficult to observe . . .
It should be combined with the point about "misanthropes" likely to hurt someone else. Sarah and all her "reloading" and targeting congressmen, is a tremendous example of this on a grand scale.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:01 PM
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93. K&R!!!


"The fish stinks from the head."

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livingonearth Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:18 PM
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94. Tell it like it is!
I get so sick of all these things being ignored and down played.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:24 PM
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95. Media persons are multi-millionaires before they are journalists,
having more in common with the CEOs of the Fortune 500 than with average Americans. They are also very aware of which issues favor the continuance of their own wealth. The days of journalists who would "comfort the weak and weaken the comfortable" are over.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:28 PM
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96. Kicking it up another notch. nt
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:12 PM
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98. They are indeed what they are. But this isn't constructive.
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ckimmy57 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:12 PM
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99. Excellent
Thank you, thank you, thank you for putting into words what I think every day. :toast:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:34 PM
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100. Yes, this is all too true. But, what are we going to do about it? Vote for Democrats . . .
and hope they don't turn out to be blue dawgs?

Representative Walt Minnick should NOT be returned to Congress next year.
He ran as a Democrat, he votes like a Republican.

Gawd the very thought of a wolf in sheep's clothing in my own party makes me want to puke!!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:29 PM
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103. An enthusiastic K&R. nt
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truthN08 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:39 PM
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104. You nailed it !
K&R!!

This is SiN by the way :)
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:11 PM
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105. bookmarked, kicked, recc'd and
shared :)
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:21 PM
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106. wow.
i bet that felt great getting all that out.

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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:26 PM
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108. kick
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:29 PM
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109. Correction: Hapless Twat
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:31 PM
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110. Absolutely FANTASTIC....and right on the money.
How anyone with an IQ larger than their belt size doesn't get all of this is beyond me.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:58 PM
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112. I am in awe of your eloquence!!!
:thumbsup: :hi:
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:04 PM
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113. If Americans knew how Hitler actually came to power, none of this would be happening.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:30 PM
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115. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
:applause:
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voc Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:34 AM
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117. Excellent rant. nt kick
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 05:54 AM
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119. KICK...well done
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