They lost the House veto override

[bigtree]

unbelievable . . . but, there it is

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Well, then.

Use those votes to run those bastards out of congress the next time they're up.

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. We need roll call

See which (if any) Dems voted No and start slamming Cons with phone calls complaining...LOUDLY!

[BOSSHOG]

10. Irony

I'm not sure but I would expect that my democratic congressman Gene Taylor of Mississippi voted to not override the veto and did so to ensure his reelection. So sad what red states and their citizens do to our country.

[jobycom]

35. You are correct. In his defense

His district comprises Keesler AFB, the SeaBee base, the shipbuilding yard (I forget who owns it now), a number of government contractors tied in to defense (where all my high school engineering buddies work), and Fort Shelby. And IIRC, there is an Air National Guard armory and a National Guard armory, too. (I"m sure you know all this, just mentioning it for anyone else reading it.)

I can forgive him a symbolic vote that was probably the wish of a large part of his constituency. His next opponent would no doubt claim he was cutting military spending, rather than supporting troop withdrawal. That would be fatal. Now, if the vote would have made a difference, I'd be less forgiving.

Then again, I don't live there anymore, so it isn't my forgiveness he needs. :shrug:

[BOSSHOG]

36. More Irony

relative to conservative flag waving and screaming and shouting. There is probably not a greater "supporter" of our troops then Gene Taylor and yet many of the mindless fucking yahoos in the district want to get rid of him because he is not a republican and does not hate enough. Gene will continue to get my vote as long as he's the parties nominee.

[jobycom]

45. Well, he has my parents' votes, too, and he'd have mine if I were there.

:)

I thought he was tremendous after Katrina, in his actions and in the way he spoke and the leadership he demonstrated. It's a shame his ideology would make it hard for him to get elected to higher office in Mississippi. At least, that's my impression of him, though it's based on random sightings more than any detailed study.

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Just heard

It was expected, but still... :banghead: :grr:

[bigtree]

12. I always look for a miracle

never expected, though

[Beelzebud]

3. 6 Democratic Cowards voted against it. 1 Democratic Coward voted Present.

We knew we wouldn't win this, but what the fuck are these 7 wimpy fucks doing not voting yes on it?

[Dinger]

5. Isn't The Actual Tally 8? (nt)

[rhiannon55]

7. Who were they?

[Norquist Nemesis]

9. I have a funny feeling Kucinich may have been one of them

as well as a few from the Out of Iraq Caucus. :shrug:

[Beelzebud]

13. I hope not. It will affect my view of him if he voted no...

[magellan]

14. Mine too. And needless to say, not positively.

[xultar]

27. Well now. Let's not be so single minded. Take time to understand WHY.

I get it now. I can understand his vote.

He doesn't want anymore money to go to the war. He can't vote for the Rethugs. Makes sense.

[magellan]

44. I did that, and you're right.

When I learned that he won't vote on funding this war, period, I had to respect him for his vote today. It isn't often you run across someone who stands by their principles like that which is why I support him!

[xultar]

46. I love the guy. I'd be proud to have him as president. I love and understand his vote.

Looks like we're on the same page. I hope the rest of the primaries go this way.

[magellan]

47. Sometimes I react too quickly and regret it later

Don't we all!

Kucinich is da man as far as I'm concerned. No other candidate reflects my feelings on as many issues as he does, and his integrity is a huge plus. That's why I tend to be more critical of him instead of letting him slide on things I feel are important, if that makes any sense. But I should have tried to understand why he voted as he did before hitting the keyboard. My bad. Thank you for helping to straighten me out. :)

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Roll Call Up! He voted "Present"

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll276.xml

[xultar]

16. Explain to me why he voted "Present?"

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. He's in a catch-22 on this one

If he votes Aye, then he's going to be liable for his stance on defunding the Iraq occupation. If he votes no, then he's standing with the Cons voting to keep the "way forward" supporting Bush's no restrictions fubar.

[bryant69]

25. Kucinich is an ideological purist

And so he can't stomach the idea of not getting everything at once.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[xultar]

28. Makes perfect sense to me. I still like him.

[Justyce]

22. I'm wondering if he did it to

keep from voting for giving more money for the war?

[jobycom]

33. To keep from pissing off either side.

Kucinich voted against the bill in the first place because he wanted an immediate pullout date, not one over a year from now. Since the issue has become about whether force Bush to change his war plans, not about the exact date for withdrawal, Kucinich didn't want to vote no, but he didn't want to change his first opinion completely.

It doesn't matter. This vote was not a genuine effort to override the veto. Everyone knew it would fail. This vote was just to give Reps something to show their supporters. In Kucinich's case, either vote would have looked bad.

He should have done like JFK did on the vote to censure Joseph McCarthy. He should have wound up in the hospital so he couldn't vote. :)

[uppityperson]

23. List of Nay/Present/Not voting Dems

NAY
Barrow
Boren
Davis, Lincoln
Marshall
Matheson
McNulty
Taylor

PRESENT
Kucinich

NOT VOTING
Engel
Gillibrand
Lampson
Ortiz

[question everything]

20. self delete

[jobycom]

32. he and others voted no the first time, because they wanted an earlier withdrawal date

and opposed the later withdrawal timetable.

Be interesting to see if that played a role in this decision, too.

Doesn't matter. We knew it was lost. This was just a stalling tactic, and probably an attempt for hardline Dems to impress their voters. This doesn't depress me. What will depress me is the next step, when Congress gives Bush a bill he will sign. I'd rather see them shut down the government until Bush yields. I also want to win the lottery. Any speculation on which will happen first? I'll even stack the odds a little, and admit I almost never buy lottery tickets.

[aquart]

18. Kucinich voted Present.

[TahitiNut]

31. Dennis wants to pull the troops out immediately.

So do I. :shrug: I'd be happy if there absolutely no more funding for the occupation of Iraq. The DOD has more than enough money to pull them out immediately.

[NoPasaran]

34. Dennis

Also wants to flap his arms and fly away to Never Neverland.

Good luck with that, tofu breath!

[bigwillq]

48. DK is not a coward for voting present

He's just being consistent and standing firm.
He didn't support the funding bill b/c he wants the troops out NOW...not in six months, not in a year, NOW!

He's one of the brave ones. I wish some others had half the courahge he has.

[knight_of_the_star]

4. I guess the Repigs want to go down in flames with Herr Bushler

Ah well, its their choice, good riddance to bad rubbish. I wonder if they'll feel the same when they lose their jobs.

[Old and In the Way]

37. They might win this battle, but they will lose their war.

Sucking up to Mr. 30% won't change the dynamics of what is happening in Iraq. We'll be in the same place in 6 months, only with more US losses, more money wasted, more Iraqs dead, and more people hating us. A Republican either has no conscience or they are so compromised such that they cannot cross their Party. I'm seriously thinking it's the latter. They were rubberstamping cowards in the 109th and they obviously haven't learned the lesson yet of 2006. Good.

I hope Democrats yield for 3 months and then have a revote every quarter until the 2008 election. Make the Republicans pay a huge political price for ignoring what the huge majority of Americans are telling them.

[Fresh_Start]

8. No surprise there

Of course, they also didn't fund the supplemental.
So, this is not over by a long shot.

[greeninaz]

11. What a load of crap

I know it was expected but I still hoped for a miracle.

[AndyA]

17. NO MORE IRAQ FUNDING BILLS! NONE!!

Send this one back over and over and over again.

Eventually, THE WAR WILL END. THE TROOPS WILL COME HOME.

When the money is gone, that is it. Bush will have effectively ended the war with his veto! How's that for irony?

No more bills, Congress! This was it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Agreed! It'll save time too!

Just change the dates of passage and re-submit! :thumbsup:

[geardaddy]

19. Kucinich voted "present"

The other Dems who voted nay:

Barrow
Boren
Davis, Lincoln
Marshall
Matheson
McNulty
Taylor

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll276.xml#N

[porphyrian]

26. Time to completely defund everything but an immediate pull-out. - n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

29. The Dem's aren't obligated to vote for a bill if they don't like it.

They can stick to their guns and refuse to vote for any bill that doesn't have a withdrawal plan in it. As long as the GOP wants to play this game no funding will pass at all and Bush will have to deal with it.

[DFW]

30. This was to be expected--just the first skirmish

Bush nixed this spending bill. But he so far has no other, either.

WhatEVER he finally signs, if anything, will have to be
passed by a House where Pelosi is speaker. Bush may not
realize that, but Rove and Cheney will remind him.

If he keeps saying no, he runs out of money, and he gets
the blame for not funding the mess he started. This is
an argument he can't win. If Pelosi gets some competent
advice, we can.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Nah they did not have the votes for the override

and they knew it

Now call your reps and tell them pass the SAME bill and send it back, and let him veto... repeat as many times as necessary

[Cleita]

39. Thom Hartmann said this morning that they have to keep

submitting until he either doesn't veto it or they get enough Republicans on board in the Senate to over ride the veto. I think this is what will have to happen.

[Nickster]

40. Exactly, the only way to make Dubya irrelevant in the whole argument is for Congress to work

together to come up with a bill that they agree on and will stand together to override Dubya's veto. Once that happens, Dubya is pretty much done politically.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Have you called your congress critter tellign them exactly

that?

I did... I ask you do

[Cleita]

42. I have. My Congressman is a Republican, however,

both my senators are Democrats. Thom did say to contact Feinstein and Boxer, or whoever your Democratic Senators are, to get them to start pushing the Republican senators about this stating that their constituents want this veto overidden. It's about all we can do now because you can't call the out of state senators and most of them are ignoring email now, so it's tough, but we have to try.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. In my mind it does not matter if they are pubbie

or demo at this point, they need the pressure

And yes, they now ignore email so I either write to their LOCAL offices (Anthrax you know) or call the DC office

They need to hear from all of us