To so called "conservatives": You're getting everything you want...why are you complaining?

[YOY]

What do you tell someone who is getting everything they asked for and hates it?

The Patriot Act has been renewed. Over the top enforcement of law in the name of safety but really boiling down to giving up your rights in the name of fear. Nary more than a sniffle from anyone on that. I've even seen some folks here think it's marvy. Frankly I'd think the FReeps should be fucking ecstatic.

Xe (Blackwater) is still in operation and the usage of "contractors" in our military/government (such a cute word that brings to mind plumbers, carpenters, or cement layers...not mercenaries) is still rampant.

Drilling on our seaboard has been given the thumbs-up. Isn't this one thing that Sarah fucking Palin was all about that we hated??? Didn't the "conservatives" want this?

We've gotten Health Care Insurance Reform...it's really the conservative solution to a real problem. It's the same deal as Romneycare, is it not? It's one of the reasons why many people decided Obama over Clinton (she proposed something in the current flavor and he was previously about Public Option.) I'm still trying to squint hard enough to see the "soshulism" in it. We've even let the anti-choice crowd get their cocks in the mix so no abortion would be covered. Should these ass-hammers not be happy?

ACORN is gone...despite the trumped up BS against it that was proven false it still went bye-bye. Fascinating case that one.

The Fairness Doctrine to get the balance back into the airwaves isn't coming back. It's gone. The "conservatives" are still fed their daily dosage of outrage/self-righteousness/hatred and compensate by calling the rest of the drivel that comprises our media as "liberal" unabated.

DADT most likely is going to get "more research"...dunno what they are researching for so fucking long.

Of course so called "conservatives" will whine and bitch as instructed to them by their masters and the "liberal" media. They continue to ignore any problem by disregarding it and making non-issues of non-debatable things.


So what are they really protesting? Are they against a Government that actually gets things done other than wasting money on unneeded wars (which aren't exactly over)? Is it because there is a Democrat in the White House or even a black man? Is it because the attack sheep only stop bleating when their media tells them to?


Or maybe they're collectively just dumb mother fuckers.

[Joanne98]

1. Because they're spoiled brats.

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6. and as any spoiled brat knows, complaining works.

and for the most part, we enablers reward it.

[Wapsie B]

50. Also selective violence works wonders to build the fear factor.

Kill a politician or an abortion Dr., show a group of organized crazies in Michigan preparing to overthrow the government. It all adds to this unspoken fear of the right.

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[Lost4words]

5. I should wait for you to post and follow it with "Me To"

I think this is the second thread that I posted to with almost the same sediment as you!

[emulatorloo]

7. Those of us who were paying attention knew Obama was a centrist, slightly left

"Third Bush Term" is pretty hyperbolic.

[riverdale]

10. What has Obama ever done that was slightly left?

I know his * speeches * trend that way. His actions are solid right conservative all the way.

[cali]

25. His appointments to the Federal Bench

Appointments to such entities as NLRB. Many of the environmental policies promulgated- The revamping of the student loan system- just for starters.

Honestly, you have to be ignorant to freeper level, stupid or biased to the point of brainwashed to make the claim you're making.

pathetic.

[pattmarty]

41. C'mon, his "policies" are basic Bill Clinton all the fucking way.................

...............Now if that's "left" at all by any definition, you're fucking high.

[Bette Noir]

44. Except that Obama has succeeded where Billy failed.

(Gobama!)

[pattmarty]

54. The POINT is, he is not a liberal. Clinton got through some crumbs..............

...........too. Obama is playing the same "triangulation" game Clinton did. Ran as a liberal, governs like a moderate/conservative. Some here blindly follow, for crying out loud; QUESTION and demand answers like there was no PO in the health insurance "reform"

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[cali]

21. no, it's not hyperbole. it's a flat out- and rather dim- lie.

[YOY]

15. I wouldn't say that.

We'd possibly have troops on the ground Iran if that were the exact case...but is certainly not being the opposition that we supposed him to be. I also anticipate nothing else getting done.

I wouldn't say we were foolish. The speeches tended to point one way and the reality is another. It's undeniable.

[fascisthunter]

20. I sort of agree with you

but I truly think the GOP would be much worse... that doesn't mean I accept Obama's continuation of Bush policies.

[Lost4words]

3. the real question is Why are we giving cons everything they want?

Why is the president favoring pukes over dems? This is George Bushs third term there is no question. Its all a show for the little people so we continue to believe that there is a difference between the dems and pukes.

[kentuck]

4. Why did they hate Bill Clinton?

He gave them a lot.

[kctim]

31. Because he also

gave them gun control and tried to give them another govt mandated program and higher taxes.

[Subdivisions]

8. The biggest underlying reason for their outrage is because a black man is in the WH. n/t

[Lil Missy]

9. yep.

[KharmaTrain]

11. They Want Absolute Power...

Actually they're not getting that much these days. They didn't get much with boooshie either...just defecits and wars for profit. Just like many in this side of the sandbox condemn President Obama for whatever cause or pony he isn't delivering there were many on the other side who felt the same way about boooosh...he didn't get rid of "abortion on demand" or disolve or privitize social security and medicare or bomb Iran...a big reason you rarely hear his name mentioned these days...he pissed off his entire base.

These people want total submission...absolute power in an authoritarian manner. They don't want dissent or even to have to explain or take responsibilities for their actions.

A rushpublican wouldn't have gone near health insurance reform or S-CHIP or nominate a Sotomayor to the court. If the "conservatives" are getting all they want these days, you'd think there'd be a few who'd cross over and vote for this administration's proposals.

[Dinger]

12. This Is Why:

They can bitch because "Dems" are embracing their republican policies. It's the best of both worlds really. They get what they want done, by a so-called dem administration, AND they get to run them down at the same time. Pretty slick really.

[fascisthunter]

13. They Want a Rightwing Dictatorship

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[havocmom]

17. What are they protesting? The multitude of challenges to their delusions

Have come to the conclusion it is just that simple. They are making a lot of noise in hope of drowning out the overwhelming barrage of evidence that their comfortable Rinso White delusions are just so much smoke, mirrors, and unicorn farts.

[fascisthunter]

18. hammer, meet nail

[cali]

19. your op is just nonsense.

really ludicrous.

First of all they don't want liberal or centrist judges. Most of them know damn well they won't get drilling.

They hate the healthcare legislation

They hate that President is a black man.


It's just so stupid to claim that the repukes are getting what they want.

And transparent.

but then of course most stupid shit is pretty fucking transparent.

[YOY]

22. By the definition of "conservative" they are getting what they want.

That is not "stupid shit". The HCR is basically Romney's model. It's not even a stretch. It IS a solution. It is the Poli-Sci text book "conservative" solution.

The point is that they really aren't "conservative", are they Cali?

and yes, they're bothered by a black man in the oval office.

[cali]

26. no, the're not. and no matter how many times youj make a silly false claim

it's still silly and false. Repubs hate hate hate the MA health plan and they always have. Repubs hate "expanded gov't". They loath subsidies and expanding Medicaid.

It's just absurd to make the claim you're making.

[YOY]

27. That is because Republicans AREN'T conservative.

The "small gubmint"/Neocon types took a word and redefined it to a post Reagan standard that warps it's meaning and goals.

That's no absurd claim, Cali. Not at all.

Notice I didn't put certain things in there like the Student Loan Reform...really that's just good business sense to regulate something out of control...not really "liberal" at all. If it were a "liberal" approach it would be aimed at making higher learning virtually free or at a very low cost.

I'm sure if the Republicans were in power it would not have been done at all. Not doing anything at all is what "conservatives" do these days.

[liberation]

52. DLCers feel any accusations against conservatism in general fall dangerously close to their homes

that should be no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

And yes Republicans are conservatives. Since they play the reactionary playbook almost like an art form.

It is the same with the capitalist cheerleaders, to them it is never "capitalism" once the dreadful consequences of their beloved system and policies start to come back home to roost. It must be "something else" always, right? In the same sense that "conservatism" hasn't been real "conservatism" the minute the stench and hubris, left by Bush et al, was too obvious to even pretend to cover up. Or at least that is what the new droves of "newly" fledged independent conservative thinkers who swear they are not part of the GOP are saying nowadays. Even though these "independent" not-republicans-at-all still walk, look, and quack like a republican the very minute they get the chance to do so.

Yes, the GOP is a conservative party. A specific ethos being exposed for the hubris it represents does not void its label magically.


I am fascinated by the ability to pass the buck displayed by the same contingent of people, who are hellbent in shoveling personal responsibility down everyone else's throats.

[pattmarty]

42. I don't think you would know a "liberal policy" if it bit you in the ass.............

........Calling everyone that disagrees with you makes you sound rather reactionary somewhat like certain people in the news nowadays.

[asdjrocky]

23. I find myself wondering the same exact thing.

It seems all you have to do is wind a pug up and they complain.

Good post, k&r!

[Echo In Light]

24. Spot. Fucking. On! k/r

[cali]

28. except that it's the opposite of that

Repubs have long HATED "RomneyCare"

They are against any expansion of Medicaid.

They are against any expansion of gov't when it comes to social spending.

That's just for starters.


Just making shit up is not an admirable thing to do.

[pattmarty]

43. Blah, blah, blah, I believe I have heard this shit before. AND turned it OFF.

[tom_paine]

29. RW Authoritarian Leaders know how easy it is to keep RW Authoritarian Followers agitated

even WHEN they are STILL getting most of what they want.

See? That's the key. They're getting MOST, but not all. RW Authoritarian Leaders don't "let up", they have to keep their followers in a frenzy to keep the inexorable rightward push on, and because their followers are among the most gullible of society, what they are told doesn't even have to be coherent or make sense to get the desired reaction from them.

[Echo In Light]

30. Same reason that the more the M$M showed its true color$, the greater the push of the 'liberal' meme

[Urban Prairie]

32. Not nearly enough

RWers want everything privatized outside of the three branches of government and the military.

Complete elimination of any entitlements.

The right to vote restricted to employed property owners.

Abortion and contraceptives in any form banned.

Personal bankruptcy abolished, and instead punished by debtors' imprisonment, garnishing all wages earned, as well as confiscation of all assets.

Repeal of all pollution control laws, FLSA, and FMLA.

Outlaw unions, and any earned overtime compensation limited to time off during slack periods at employers' convenience.

Make English the "offical" and required language, no tolerance for any other in advertising or in public/private.

Hospital emergency rooms can refuse to treat anyone who fails a credit check, whether insured or not.

[Bette Noir]

45. Sounds like 19th Century Britain, or modern China.

[liberation]

49. No need to go overseas, we had those very same things going on during our very own Gilded Age...

... and heck during and after Raygun was done with our country, we could give either of the examples you mention a good run for their money.


The irony of it all is that China is actually moving towards implementing universal healthcare for its billion+ people.

[kctim]

33. Yes

a large govt program with a mandate and higher taxes is "everything" conservatives just dream about all the time.

[YOY]

34. When that mandate empowers private enterprise over a public program it does indeed.

If you let the Neocon's redefinition of "conservative" stand and the action of doing nothing when the problem is real then I suppose I would be wrong.

But I took Comparitive Politics in College and did not learn the definition from Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

And as for higher taxes...you really aren't looking at history. Bring back Ike's taxation...shit bring back Nixon's, That's a "conservative" taxation plan. Clinton and Obama's are rediculously right of them.

[kctim]

35. Then perhaps

you should take another class on the "Politics of Individuals" and learn WHY tens of millions of Americans are against govt mandates and the govt control and higher taxes that come with them.

A so-called govt mandate which "empowers" private enterprise over a public program is one thing, but a govt mandate that raises taxes and takes control and choice out of the peoples hand, is another thing altogether.

And its not just the 'rate' of taxation, it is the 'rate' and 'use' of it. IF you are 'conservative' with the use, the rate remains low enough to be accepted.

[YOY]

37. No...don't think I need to. Because there is no such course.

All regulation takes "choice" out of "the people's hand". Normal level taxation of the highest and most and government control and come with the government doing what government is supposed to do. That would be "Theory of Government". That is also a real course.

Claiming all things can best be handled by the private sector is Randian nonsense. It's not even "conservatism" so much as lunacy.

What individuals consider to be left or right is irrelevant especially when history and external examples are failed to be taken into consideration. What "neutral as possible" textbooks say on the matter are another thing. One does not go by the "definition du jour et locale".

The Reagan presidency did not allow for a change in what is right and left. Neither did the Clinton presidency. Their legacies are constantly trying to however. This is impossible.

Water, no matter how you freeze it or boil it is still H20.

[liberation]

53. A mandate by the government forcing its citizens into contractual obligations with private cos

represents a collusion between corporations and government. Which is one of the aspects of the very definition of Corporatism, which is Italian for Fascism.

Fascism is a conservative ethos. So yes... it is a conservative dream. Whether that makes your DLC sensitivities feel exposed, is a completely different story. And I assume you will want to divert attention from in the most creative and desperate of manners.

Cheers.

[athenasatanjesus]

36. What most conservatives really want is the same thing the Scarecrow wanted in Oz ..nt

[sheldon]

38. Check this out.

Good article.... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10090/1046779-154.stm#ixzz0jur3wq37

[Kablooie]

39. They don't care about what gets done, only about who does it. They want POWER - period.

It's not about issues. It's about getting control of the country again.

[socialist_n_TN]

48. Urban Prarie, Bette Noir and you.................

are ALL right, IMO. The Republicans want the power FIRST and FOREMOST. THEN, when they get absolute power, UP's list of POLICIES will be what they will call for and probably get. They want to take us back to the 50s. And that's the 1850s.

That's why I'm a little freaked out by people who are SO disappointed in Obama's Center/Right policies that they won't vote. IF the RW Republicans get BACK in power, that will be the last free election we ever have.

You've got to vote. In the primaries vote as left as possible, but in the general you've got to hold your nose and vote for Dems. If for no other reason than the WORST Dem nowdays is (if only slightly) better than the BEST Republican. And yes that includes Blanche Lincoln. I'd vote for her over ANY Republican. I'd be puking while I did it, but I couldn't do anything else.

[area51]

40. knr (n/t)

[rocktivity]

46. They're complaining because it WASN'T Republicans who gave it to them!

:crazy:
rocktivity

[liberation]

47. It is called kabuki... and they play the "bad cop"

I also think it is no coincidence that your average DLCer and GOPer display the same level of doublethink, entitlement, and projection.

[Orsino]

51. No. They just lost the thing they wanted most.

Democrats won, or appeared to win, something big. A clear, if slim Congressional majority passed the reform opposed by every goddamned Republican.

It's not enough for the wingnut fanboys to gain legislative goals. They need to see this black president, and Democrats in general, fail.

[catrose]

55. We have these kind of people at work

They constantly whine and complain and bully. They get everything they want, mostly because people want them to go away quickly, but they don't even pause to say thank you before they complain about something else, probably that you didn't do what they wanted fast enough or you looked at them funny.

How dumb can they be if they're getting everything they want and I'm not, plus having to put up with them?

[Blue_Tires]

56. ttt

the last line says it all

[TheKentuckian]

57. They might not be getting what they want but they are getting loads

of free market, stake holder at the table, GOP minted ideas.

Mandate-Grassly
Exchange-Heritage
Drill, baby, drill-morans
Health/insurance plan-Mittens
Nonsense wars-Dubya
Financial regs-non-existent to weak as water-straight GOP

All Obama is doing is taking their lame ass generally already proven to be failed or ineffective schemes and tinkering with them a little. They are getting closer to what they want than we are and they aren't putting skin in the game.

Plus, when this stuff fails as Republiscum concepts always do then it'll be blamed on "the libruls".

[YOY]

58. and push further to the right...which will lead to ultimate disaster.

They won't move back to the right of center until we move back to the left.

I don't see that happening sad to say.

[Odin2005]

59. Kabuki Theater. Puke politicians are posing for votes.