Why are democrats backing down ?!

[iamthebandfanman]

I just heard on CNN and the plan is to reintroduce the bill WITHOUT the time table.
yeah thats great.
lets give them what they want.

jesus.
what dont our leaders understand about keeping it in there.
dontcha see america sees it as BUSH KEEPING FUNDS FROM THE TROOPS and they are on our side on this one ?
i say let him keep veto'ing and let the american people see whos not funding the troops...cause it sure as crap aint us.

[KansDem]

1. "Why are democrats backing down ?!"

Habit? :shrug:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

37. It's to get enough RePUKES on board to claim a win against Idiot *

.

[PATRICK]

2. Wasn't this the deal

to keep some of the votes on board and weren't they saying the funding would happen regardless? That might be better than caving in just at the moment but the general Dem policy of caution is a big problem for most people, and most situations.

[rodeodance]

12. yes, Recall Obama, Levin and others said weeks ago: The troops will be funded.

[ClassWarrior]

14. According to an email I got today from Harry Reid...

..."If President Bush thinks by vetoing this bill he will stop us from working to change the direction of this war, he is mistaken."

So maybe they've decided there's a better way to do it than with this piece of legislation?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Oh nooo, CW... That makes too much sense!! We wanna piss and moan...

...like a bunch victims!!!

:cry:

This has been an improv performance of the DUDQ...

NGU.

[AZBlue]

24. Democratic Underground Dairy Queen?

DUDQ?

BTW, I agree...many DU'ers would much rather have something to complain about than listen to...logic


(gasp, "oh, the horror....she used the 'l' word!")

[ClassWarrior]

26. Close.

The Democratic Underground Drama Queens - our own roving reperatory company. Acting! Thank you! {bowing profusely}

NGU.

[Ken Burch]

35. "reparatory company"?

Is that a group of out-of-work actors who earn pocket money by fixing stuff for people?
:sarcasm:

[ClassWarrior]

39. Trying to fix a democracy, in fact.

NGU.

[Igel]

28. "Working", however, does not mean a whole lot.

Reid is right. Reid et al. will, no doubt, continue to work at changing the direction of the war.

This, however, does not logically entail that Reid et al. will change the direction of the war.

In other words, he's committed himself to an activity, not an achievement. (With all due regard to Vendler.)

[ClassWarrior]

30. Wow, you had to really jump through a hoop to bash that Dem!!

Bravo!! You get an honorary membership in the DUDQ! :silly:

NGU.

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[Kutjara]

4. It's what they do. n/t

[elocs]

15. Damn! You beat me to it. That is exactly what I first thought too.

The thing is that the bill did provide funding for the troops, even more than was asked. It is Bush who currently refuses to fund the troops.

[Kutjara]

22. True, the bill did provide funding, but that's only the start.

It's one thing to put the bill in front of Chimpy; it's quite another to have the political will and moral fiber to stare the little bastard down. If the Dems back down now, they will be perceived as acting like children: defying Daddy until he gets mad, then backing down and toeing the line. What's worse, Bush will know he can make the other guy blink first every time. It'll be back to business as usual.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

5. The same reason impeachment is off the table.

They still don't realize they're in charge now.

[Duer 157099]

6. If they do, they prove they are what they are being called (defeatocrats)

It makes me sick to think they might give in on this -- and for what???? for WHAT??? what is the purpose, who is served by it??

It makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. They do, they will loose people right and mostly left

and rightly so

[ClassWarrior]

8. Your first mistake is taking CNN's word as gospel.

I don't know why anyone would, given the record of those whores.

Just sayin... :shrug:

NGU.

[OHdem10]

9. This was the plan all along, or so I thought.

They will continue the fight.

Negotiations with President are underway.
Dems get Benchmarks and GWB gets no specific date.

The fight will continue monthly.

[gipper66]

10. They need to strike before the fire cools down.

Now is the time to press the bill. The next anna nichole or unrelated distraction will divert the publics attention from this important goal.

[Xenotime]

11. Didn't we put them in power to get our troops out?

[Double T]

13. jellyfish

[tjwash]

16. Got a source for that?

Or are we just supposed to go on hearsay?

[BlooInBloo]

34. Are you kidding? This is DU.

[iamthebandfanman]

40. ohh snap!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=809671&mesg_id=809671


guess you should pay attention to the latest news better than ya do.
sorry i saw the headline first n posted my point of view on it.

but hey, i understand... trust noone! lol

[jollyreaper2112]

17. wtf did they think would happen?!?!

Of course Bush was going to veto the bill. He said he would and when he gets that petulant look on his face, you know he's damn well going to do whatever he stubbornly said he was going to do. So of course the Dems had to know he'd veto the bill they sent to him. This shouldn't be any surprise to them. They didn't have any plan for what to do after he rejected it? Caving is not the answer. This is the showdown they've been looking for. Bush will not back down. They've gotten him into a position where he will hold onto his position in defiance of all logic and reality. This is precisely the situation you dream of goading your enemy into, where he will fight a pitched battle he should not be able to win. But if you back him into a corner and don't have the forces to win, who's the idiot?

GAH! Dems, don't fail me now!

[chaska]

18. Every Dem should read Derrick Jensen's 'Endgame Vol. II Resistance'...

Jensen was abused as a child and he examines the character of environmental "degraders" (but applical to the vast majority of Republicans as well) from this standpoint. His case is rock solid. These people simply are abusers.

And he makes an ironclad case that you MUST fight back. Abusers will not change until they have absolutely no other choice. To try to bargain with them or be nice to them only encourages them.

It's a must read. It will totally turn your head around.

[benld74]

20. Whats going to happen, according to the wife,,

Nothing. The idiot is waiting his term out. Nothing will happen to anybody, and it will take the next elected DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT to FIX ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MESS. All the while getting heckled, razzed, and exactly what happened to Clinton.

[MadHound]

36. Funny thing is that there is no need to wait to '09 to stop the war

All it takes is a collective Democratic spine, that and holding up each and every single war funding bill in committee. No need to go to a vote, no need to get Bushboy's signature. Just Simply Defund The War.

Anything else is the wrong answer. Thouands of people's lives depend on it.

[partylessinOhio]

21. We need to change the leadership, PRONTO! Pelosi and Reid are

too weak. * snaps his fingers and they both jump.

Why did they run to the WH when Bush called them? They should have said, "Hell no! You vetoed our bill but we are sending the same one back to you, Decider. You decide if you are ready to support our troops or whether you want to play dictator. The American voters want this war to end and want us to bring the troops home and that is exactly what we are going to do. Veto the bill on it's second trip to you and we will work on impeaching you and Cheney next. It's in your court now. What will it be?"

ETA: photo


Making nice, all smiles. What is wrong with this picture?

[Igel]

29. I don't think they can send the same one back.

It would have to be different enough for the parliamentarian to judge it a different bill.

Then it would have to go through committees in both houses and voted on, then to conference before the final vote.

[leftofthedial]

23. they don't stand for anything

I've commented on this (to much derision, thread-locking and personal attack) for years here.

The current Democratic party has no core principles on which to stand. Therefore, when pushed, they give.


A few Democrats clearly have strong positions and principles. Many Democrats have one or two issues that matter to them, but collectively, I don't know what they stand for anymore.

It's not labor. It's not peace. It's not any discernible constituency other than corporations.

[spanone]

25. 'Just heard on CNN' Not reliable source any longer. Sorry, wish they were.

[Disturbed]

27. The majority of Dems do not want to be seen as losing

the War On Iraq. They play their game so that they seem to be for withdrawing the US Troops yet knowing that this will not occur. It's about perception not reality.

The majority of Dems do not call for all US Troops to be pulled out of Iraq. The Bill outlined that a undetermined number will stay indefinetly to train Iraqi Troops, to defend the Green Zone and the 14 US Bases and to fight al Q and the Sunni and Shi'ite Insurgency. The US will have at least 60K Troops and a large number of Mercs in Iraq well beyond '09.

[Generator]

31. It's in their contract

Hot damn! And I never thought I'd crack myself up again on DU. But it's so easy, really anyone with eyes can do it!

[Atman]

32. The original bill wasn't quite spineless enough.

The jellyfish constituency threatened to filibuster.

.

[Marr]

33. Given time, that bill will pass.

Republicans in Congress have got to realize that their only chance of maintaining their seats is by being part of the process to get *out* of Iraq. Standing by George will not cut it, as he's made it very clear that he doesn't give half a shit what the public thinks, or how the GOP does after he leaves. He's going to look out for his ego, and everyone else can go to hell.

Resubmit this bill and make Bush veto it again. And again, if necessary. Eventually, there'll be enough votes to override the veto.

[bdamomma]

38. so now what?? the Dems are going to try work together again

with this idiot? Haven't they said this before? If they resubmit the bill without the timeline, what the hell are they giving bush what he wants, and to hell with what the American people want? I say keep the pressure on Reid and Pelosi, I will give a call tomorrow. What is he saying to them at these meetings? It's my way or the highway? This is sickening.