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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:11 PM
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You Would Never Have Guessed
Captain Kangaroo passed away on January 23, 2004 as age 76, which is odd, because he always looked to be 76. His death reminds us of the following story:

Some people have been a bit offended that the actor, Lee Marvin, is buried in a grave alongside 3 and 4-star generals at Arlington National Cemetery. His marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC). Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only a famous movie star who served his time, why the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well, following is the amazing answer:

http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f55562%5fAJeyo0IAAKx%2fRjeJ5gNu%2fxwr3io&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1

In a time when many Hollywood stars served their country in the armed forces often in rear echelon posts where they were carefully protected, only to be trotted out to perform for the cameras in war bond promotions, Lee Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at Iwo Jima. There is only one higher Naval award...the Medal Of Honor!


http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f55562%5fAJeyo0IAAKx%2fRjeJ5gNu%2fxwr3io&pid=3&fid=Inbox&inline=1
If that is a surprising comment on the true character of the man, he credits his sergeant with an even greater show of bravery.

Dialog from "The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson": His guest was Lee Marvin. Johnny said, "Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the initial landing at Iwo Jima .and that during the course of that action you earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded."

Marvin replied: "Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the bottom and they gave me the Cross for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting shot up on a mountain is guys getting' shot hauling you down. But, Johnny, at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew... We both got the Cross the same day, but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap in comparison. That dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and directed his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. Bullets flying by, with mortar rounds landing everywhere and he stood there as the main target of gunfire so that he could get his men to safety. He did this on more than one occasion because his men's safety was more important than his own life. That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends. When they brought me off Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me, lying on my belly on the litter and said, "Where'd they get you Lee?" "Well Bob... if you make it home before me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!" Johnny, I'm not lying, Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever knew. The Sergeant's name is Bob Keeshan. You and the world know him as Captain Kangaroo."

http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f55562%5fAJeyo0IAAKx%2fRjeJ5gNu%2fxwr3io&pid=4&fid=Inbox&inline=1


On another note, there was this wimpy little man on PBS, gentle and quiet. Mr. Rogers is another of those you would least suspect of being anything but what he now portrays to our youth. But Mr. Rogers was a U.S. Navy Seal, combat-proven in Vietnam with over twenty-five confirmed kills to his name. He wore a long-sleeved sweater on TV, to cover the many tattoos on his forearm and biceps. He was a master in small arms and hand-to-hand combat, able to disarm or kill in a heartbeat.

http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f55562%5fAJeyo0IAAKx%2fRjeJ5gNu%2fxwr3io&pid=5&fid=Inbox&inline=1

After the war Mr. Rogers became an ordained Presbyterian minister and therefore a pacifist. Vowing to never harm another human and also dedicating the rest of his life to trying to help lead children on the right path in life. He hid away the tattoos and his past life and won our hearts with his quiet wit and charm. America's real heroes don't flaunt what they did; they quietly go about their day-to-day lives, doing what they do best. They earned our respect and the freedoms that we all enjoy.
Often, they are the ones you'd least suspect, but would most like to have on your side if anything ever happened. Take the time to thank anyone that has fought for our freedom. With encouragement they could be the next Captain Kangaroo or Mr. Rogers.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:13 PM
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1. Link to snopes take here
Edited on Wed May-02-07 03:16 PM by uppityperson
http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp
Lee Marvin fought WW2, but in Saipan, not Iwo Jima. Fred Rogers never in military. Bob Keeshan military but after Iwo Jima.

Your link doesn't work.
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MousePlayingDaffodil Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:13 PM
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2. I'm pretty sure . . .
. . . that these stories are urban legends.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:19 PM
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8. They are urban legends.
Edited on Wed May-02-07 03:21 PM by Hong Kong Cavalier
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp">Mr. Rogers was not a Navy Seal.

http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp">Lee Marvin didn't fight along Bob Keeshan at Iwo Jima

Lee Marvin was in WWII, received a Purple Heart, and is buried at Arlington, though, and Keeshan did enlist in the Marines, but "saw no comabt" See above link)
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:13 PM
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3. According to Snopes, Marvin got a Purple Heart but no Navy Cross. I'd be suspicious of
Edited on Wed May-02-07 03:15 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
this email.

http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp

I remember hearing different versions of the Mr. Rogers story, that he was a Marine Corps sniper etc. It would be a fun idea ("It's a beautiful day to SNIPE YOUR ASS!") but apparently he never served in the military at all.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:19 PM
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7. I heard another one
Someone I knew told me the "Happy Trees" painting guy from PBS had a serious war history and then went on to make himself into something else. Seemed a bit fantastic.

God, I love wiki. Ok, the guy is Bob Ross. Air Force service but nothing else listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ross

As for the Captain Kangaroo thing, they say he was in the reserves.

Keeshan was born in Lynbrook, New York, and attended Fordham University after serving in the United States Marine Corps reserve during World War II. He later became an honorary member of Dartmouth College's Class of 1942.

What I don't like about these emails we get sent around is they often make stuff up. Hell, I have nothing against instructional fiction but label it as such. Say it's a fable or a parable, not real life stuff.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:22 PM
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10. I find it disturbing because these stories appear to be MADE UP out of whole cloth.
It's hard to believe it's a situation where successive distortion or exaggeration of a story happened, when, say, Fred Rogers was never in the military at all.

When the story doesn't serve an obvious political agenda, I'm not sure what the purpose is at all, and it amazes me what people will pass around or post on forums without doing the slightest bit of checking.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:25 PM
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13. yeah
But you can certainly have some fun with this stuff so long as it's specifically fiction. A friend of mine wrote a pretty fucked up scene for a round-robin horror novel a while back. A young mother's mind is all wrapped up with what she thinks are major personal problems in her life and she's unaware of the supernatural problems that are shaping up for her. Her kid is plunked down watching PBS and the demons start having fun with the shows. Mr. Rogers always creeped me out and his scene there showed me why. :)
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:16 PM
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4. Snopes should always be checked before posting
The orignal post is not true

http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:20 PM
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9. Well, it was a warm and fuzzy story till the factinistas showed up!
:)
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 04:19 PM
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15. If there were no factinistas
there would be no DU, because everyone would believe the warm fuzzy BushCo stories :P
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:17 PM
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5. Urban Legend.
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gipper66 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:18 PM
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6. Urban legend
Extensive web search doesn't bring any credible hits.
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:23 PM
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11. my bad
sorry
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:23 PM
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12. Well, you had me until the Mr. Roger's story
That one was a bit of an over-reach, I think...

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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 04:14 PM
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14. Yeah......
.......somehow, I couldn't picture Mr. Rogers scrambling the enemy's brains with his commando knife.
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 04:32 PM
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16. I got that in an e-mail
I swallowed that story hook,line and sinker, without thinking I posted it here, I believed the story about Lee Marvin and it just seemed like it could be true, well, I'll google stuff before I post again,live and learn!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 09:58 PM
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17. Lee Marvin was a badass regardless, LOL.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 10:08 PM
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19. Not only that, but...
I remember watching Fred Rogers on PBS in the 60's, like '64-'65, Pittsburgh PBS channel, I forget the call sign.

-Hoot
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 09:59 PM
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18. Not. True.
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