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Thu Apr-01-10 05:10 PM
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ROEDER SENTENCING -- THREAD #3 |
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Hi, all...looks like this is gonna go on for a while longer.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:10 PM
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1. OVERRULED (the docs). WTG, Judge! nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:11 PM
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2. K&R Thank you for keeping everyone posted!!!! |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:11 PM
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4. I have never seen a sentencing quite like it and you are welcome. n/t |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:11 PM
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3. The victim "doesn't need to know he's being stalked"? WTF? nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:13 PM
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8. He thinks it's ok to stalk someone, so long as they don't know they are |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:13 PM
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11. Like Dr Tiller is better off now since he didn't know he was being stalked??? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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...because it is the mind set of the defendant that is the ag circum at issue.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:12 PM
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5. wow, he's really squirming to avoid paying for what he did- |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:12 PM
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6. Like a barrel of rattlesnakes. nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:13 PM
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But I don't think it will work
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:12 PM
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7. Judge is now getting to the aggrivated circumstances... |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:14 PM
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13. I think everyone is getting a little pissed by this point |
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younger lawyer for roedent looks like he wants to shut him up
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:15 PM
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15. Going to finish tonight, crystalize what we are doing in these proceedings |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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17. mitigating factors must outweigh aggravated factors or I SHALL |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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25. "Shall" means "must" in the law. Roeder is fucked. nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:19 PM
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...shall = mandatory. May = discretionary.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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19. Actually, Judge is now getting aggravated. Period. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:13 PM
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10. He's fucking begging now |
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I'm lovin' this. Isn't it hilarious that he doesn't accept the law but thinks he knows it better than the fucking judge. Read him the law Judge then give him his fucking orange suit.
Don't you love all 'them there' security men waiting for the outburst.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:14 PM
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12. I hope they are the cream of Overland Park's crop; it's going to be a nightmare |
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when the gavel comes down.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:14 PM
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14. He has stated many times that the courts are wrong |
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regarding their rulings on Roeder. He did himself in with his statement
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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18. I hope someone captures this. I have to leave in a little while |
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I want to see the fuckers face when he gets the hard 50
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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23. please give him the hard 50...please |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:19 PM
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33. Should be a screen saver somewhere |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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20. "My life is on the line here." BOO-fucking-HOO. What about Dr. tiller's life? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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...I count, the unborn count, but Dr. Tiller doesn't. Way to go, Roeder...show the judge all the remorse you can.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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22. "My life is on the line" |
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Did that statement enrage anyone else here? GOD, what a selfish bastard.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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29. "I wasn't told I had limited time" sniff, boohoo. "refocuse your comments back to |
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mitigating...not limiting...have had over an hour"
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:21 PM
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39. The church I killed him in "wasn't a true church" because they didn't stop him and |
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tiller invaded the church of a woman's womb on a daily basis
Well, that certainly convinced me. Let him off.
If the church didn't "hold him accountable" it wasn't a true church.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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30. his life isn't on the line, unless the death penalty is in play- |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:17 PM
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24. can Roeder just keep talking forever? |
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I mean can he fillibuster this endlessly??
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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27. No, the judge will shut him down if he doesn't keep his comments relevant. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:18 PM
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26. "It's the state of Kansas fault more than mine... He was their hit man." |
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Will he ever wake up from his insanity.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:19 PM
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32. This judge is PISSED. He's getting hard 50. He may as well sit down and shut up. |
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Judge will impose DP for the hell of it if he continues with this crap.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:20 PM
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36. Tiller's church was not the true church |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:21 PM
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41. how can you defend this slug? now all the chruch members |
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are responsible............god....shut the F Up
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:22 PM
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46. My bet is that the defense team is being funded by anti-choice operatives. nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:19 PM
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34. what an arrogant piece of SHIT |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:19 PM
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The Lutheran Church is NOT a true church????
But a female uterus is?????? :wow:
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:21 PM
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40. I guess that means my lover attends church a few days a week... nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:22 PM
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44. The judge has shut him up again |
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going for political diatribe re character assassination of the Lutheran Church - not mitigating you fucker.
Now he wants to speak to expectant mothers. Judge say no - no forum for your views on abortion.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:21 PM
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37. omg.... I wish he'd just shut up. |
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'His was the church of Satan'.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:22 PM
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45. now wants to speak to expectant mothers |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:22 PM
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42. such incredible patience being shown by the judge. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:22 PM
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43. I think I love this judge |
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He is doing a good job cutting through the shit and cutting Roeder off
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:24 PM
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51. and again "all you expectant mothers..." stopped him again. |
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won't let him talk all night on political views. How does this show you couldn't conform to requirements of the law?
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:24 PM
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Sentence this fucking paranoid murderer judge - enough patience.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:23 PM
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47. "I'd like to speak to all you expectant mothers"... |
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Oh, yeah.
I'm only sorry the judge cut him off.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:23 PM
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48. Roeder: "I want to speak to the expectant mothers out there.." and the judge cuts him off |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:25 PM
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54. Speaking to children who were not aborted after 2009... |
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...hoooooooo-weeeeeeeeee!!!!
Talk about arrogant...like HE is responsible for making sure they got to live cuz he killed Dr. Tiller?????
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:23 PM
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49. Wow... thinks this is a platform. |
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Please judge, hold him in contempt.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:24 PM
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50. Now, he's talking to the Mothers???? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:26 PM
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58. 50 years for protecting life |
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25years for protecting life - that's uncalled for.
STFU Roeder - you murdered Dr Tiller.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:24 PM
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53. Nominate this judge for sainthood for REFRAINING FROM GETTING DOWN OFF THE BENCH |
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AND STRANGLING ROEDER PERSONALLY.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:26 PM
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57. incredible self restraint- I could never have dealt with this |
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as patiently and professionally- not in my dreams.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:25 PM
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55. Time for that Judge to shut Roeder up. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:26 PM
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56. That's why you feel relief, feel no guilt of remorse. OMG, women that couldn't get |
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an abortion since they weren't available, so talk with those children in 20 yrs? WTf?
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:28 PM
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61. why so many police in the courtroom? do they think he has supporters |
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in there to cause problems or is it him?
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:30 PM
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63. I like the one chewing gum. |
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67. I don't know but I'm sure watching to see his reaction |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:27 PM
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59. I like how judge cuts him off "character assasination again" |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:27 PM
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60. Atty Rudy addressing the court... |
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62. Wants prosecution to say mitigating factors. Judge says no, defense goes first |
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64. Mitigating factor is defendant was unable to control himself according to law. |
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66. Take his age into account, won't be out until mid 70's, won't be a threat. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:34 PM
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68. State: has significant history of criminal activity, more incidents of willing to |
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kill Dr. Tiller. Several times ready, willing, able to kill.. Many. Bunch of them. Significant history
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:35 PM
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70. Defendant knew this was criminal but decided it needed to be done. |
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Guilty of a heinous murder. He chose to kill. He has capacity to not kill but chose to kill.
(judge shuts up roeder)
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71. He has none of that (impaired severe mental illness) but simply wants to do what he wants to do |
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re aggravating factors, mitigating factors are insignificant by weight. Stalking, plan, cruelty (decided yrs back that the church was place to murder) and today talks bad about that church. Continued acts of terror.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:31 PM
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65. I am thinking from this that it is the burden of proof that switches once... |
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...there is a determination of ag factors. Since def has the mit factors, that is why they have not only the burden of proof, but the burden of producing evidence.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:42 PM
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78. He's interrupting the judge |
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This is going to get ugly.
Cops getting closer to Roeder by the moment.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:34 PM
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69. Nola Rocks- Roeder usurped the God he claims to serve- |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:39 PM
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74. That was outstanding! n/t |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:37 PM
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72. Wooo! The DA uses the T word! |
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Go get 'em!
Damn right it's terrorism!
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:37 PM
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73. Prosecutor speaking the truth: TERRORISM!!!!! |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:40 PM
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75. Al-Qaeda kills for the same reasons Roeder did. |
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'Their God commands them.'
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:41 PM
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76. "Developed strongly held beliefs, taken him to fringe of society" |
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Conduct, ability to conform with law was only partially taken away.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:42 PM
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The judge is slapping him down, and Roeder talks back to him again
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:43 PM
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79. That cuz Roeder thinks GOD speaks through him. |
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80. Roeder is displaying that he doesn't feel the need to obey the rules- |
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by continually interrupting the Judge.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:43 PM
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81. Trying to interrupt judge "but babies were dying". Judge: motivated by beliefs, knew was wrong |
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87. NO MITIGATING FACTORS TO OUTWEIGH, 50 yrs! |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:44 PM
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82. Keeps interrupting the judge, trying to shout him down |
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84. Fifty to Life. (Live sentence, no parole hearings until after 50 years) |
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Life with parole eligibility AFTER 50 years.
If he lives to 102 years old, he'll have to pay an additional $100 fee.
He has the right to appeal, of course, with appellate attorney provided.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:51 PM
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Is that the Tiller family? n/t |
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Thu Apr-01-10 07:27 PM
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114. It wasn't specified, but... |
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...I assumed it was some court processing cost or similar.
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:06 PM
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106. An additional $100 fine? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:46 PM
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89. the court officers are circling, is this usual? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:46 PM
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90. 6 LEO's IN the courtroom--wonder how many are outside? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:48 PM
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91. it just doesn't seem enough to me |
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i pray for peace for dr. tiller's wife and family
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:49 PM
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92. Oh no! He lost his 2nd Amendment rights! |
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The freepers are going to be PISSED!
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:51 PM
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93. Fucker better not be permitted to have a fan club and keep promoting his damned JIHAD from prison. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:52 PM
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94. Amen (well, maybe not the best choice of words, but yeah.) nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:54 PM
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95. What was that wretched a-hole yelling when they hauled him away? |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:56 PM
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96. Some "baby killer" crap directed toward the judge....... |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:56 PM
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99. "you have the blood of babies on your hands" naming the judge, the prosecutors, etc. |
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We aren't dealing with an Einstein here.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:57 PM
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102. Doesn't give a shit about his own "babies" |
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but it's all about the fetii.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:57 PM
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101. "blood on your hands Nola,"... and someone elses name... |
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what a sorry, pitiful twisted fool.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:59 PM
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103. Well now he can "counsel" a few thousand male inmates not to have abortions |
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108. He can be a PRISON sidewalk counselor... |
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...Go to Jail, Straight to Jail...do not pass go... and STFU for the next 50 years!
Yes!!!!!!!
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:56 PM
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98. Law enforcement had him out of there in seconds |
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They also escorted the Tiller family out before anyone else was allowed to leave.
I've never seen anything like this.
I'm glad we won't see Roeder for the next 50 years.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:57 PM
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100. That was impressive. Kudos to them. nt |
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:59 PM
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104. yes, they were very ready for his antics, and very aware for |
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the Tiller family.
This must have been hellish for them, even with the verdict.
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Thu Apr-01-10 05:59 PM
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105. This is one of those times that even JUSTICE is not enough. n/t |
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:09 PM
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107. Thanks for all the up dates... |
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...just as this was coming down, I got a business phone call.
Hard 50...:applause:
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:14 PM
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109. "The blood of babies is on your hands," Roeder yelled before being led out of the Wichita courtroom. |
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:26 PM
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110. Nice play-by-play, Folks. |
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I had some work to finish up (Pacific time here). But reading throught the posts, I feel like I was there.
Thanks everyone for the updates! Have a drink on me.
:toast: :beer:
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:39 PM
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112. You are welcome...it was quite the day in that courtroom. |
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Poor judge and, oh, I felt so sorry for the Tiller family having to listen to Roeder vomit all that bullshit on and on.
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I was watching them earlier in the day and I felt so bad for them as I was watching them try to hold it together and not always succeeding. Just heartbreaking.
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Thu Apr-01-10 06:31 PM
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111. You guys rock! I wasn't able to get a live stream, but your comments were better! |
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"Better" because I would not have been able to watch or listen to that SOB's antics without throwing things.
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