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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:34 AM
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What are the odds?......A thousand plus people armed to the teeth and angry to boot
someone will get shot....Anyone think there is a good possibility that will happen on April 19th when so many Armed protesters meet to protest ????? Not sure what they are protesting with their guns, I know of no bill in the works to restrict their gun rights but they need to protest anyway for some reason.. Will there be gunfire at either of these events? Will there be alcohol there?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:37 AM
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1. I expect violence in DC on the 19th.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:49 AM
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8. messing with rush hour traffic is never a good idea ..DC or VA
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:23 AM
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12. I agree with you
I think things will get nasty.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:59 AM
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13. The teaklanners are ITCHING for a fight.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:21 PM
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16. The crazy rwingers get all apocalyptic every time there is a Dem president
I think we will see a number of violent incidents not unlike Ruby Ridge or Waco.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:58 PM
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28. Obama is going to give them one too if they aren't careful.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:38 AM
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2. I predict an ugly spectacle
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:38 AM
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3. Battle Royale!
:hide:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:46 AM
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4. The guns just make them 'more right'
Than anyone else.

I'm not expecting much more than posturing and maybe
self inflicted idiocy.

I don't belive this outrage that can be sustained.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:47 AM
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5. not that I wish harm on anyone....
but, you know, accidents happen. It would be ironic if...well, just sayin'.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:17 PM
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17. I wonder how many
of these fine "patriots" will be drinking. Alcohol and guns, a BAD combination.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:48 AM
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6. Ehn, I doubt any will show up
Last year there was supposed to be a similar rally on July 4th, and that was a Saturday. There were more press than protesters.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:49 AM
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7. I posted about this a couple of days ago.....................
I'm pretty concerned about it. These people are the same as the teabaggers in their anger and politics, but because of their PARTICULAR RW emphasis, they're going to have assault rifles and God knows what other weaponry. Add to that, DC is a mostly BLACK town with stringent gun laws and you've got the makings for a SERIOUS situation.

I'd have the Feds (including Army units) on alert AT THE VERY LEAST.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:13 AM
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11. Um, no.
One: the only people who can legally possess guns in Washington DC are people who live or work there, and only then if they have a concealed carry permit, and only concealed pistols.

Two: An assault rifle is a select-fire military grade weapon, not available to the public.

Three: Use of Army troops for civilian law enforcement is prohibited under the Posse Comitatus Act.

Whatever way you slice it, there is not going to be a horde of teabaggers with M-16s outside the White House.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:18 PM
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15. But but but..
.. it sounds so much more salacious when you can whip up fear with hyperbole (being generous).
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:18 PM
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18. They will be in Virginia not Washington DC
They will be in sight of the National Mall though and National Guard troops have often been used for riot control and or prevention.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:35 PM
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22. Where did you get that idea? Ft. Hunt Park is 11 miles from DC.
That's hardly right on top of the National Mall.

And yes, National Guard troops have been used, but the National Guard is not the Army. Nor is riot control the same time as law enforcement.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:28 PM
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26. One: And this is going to stop...............
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 04:55 PM by socialist_n_TN
these guys how? Remember in their pea brains the DC law, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, is an infringement of their 2nd Amendment rights. In addition, DC is a notoriously "liberal" city full of people who look like the Kenyan. Do you think they're going to give a rat's ass about DC laws? What about across the river in VA? Is it illegal there too?

Two: Once again, this is going to stop these guys how? Don't you think a LOT of quasi military rifles can be (AND HAVE BEEN) modified?

Three:
It's DC and that's federal territory isn't it? Does the act you cite even apply to DC? And I was thinking more about DC police, FBI, and National Guard. I KNOW the National Guard could be called up for civilian crowd control. Remember Kent State? And yes, I just reread and saw where I said Army units. Read that as National Guard because that WAS what I was thinking. Sorry for the error.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:09 PM
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29. If they get arrested for carrying without a license, they lose all their guns forever.
No felon is allowed to legally own or touch a gun, or even touch one single round of ammunition.

Two: No. If a rifle is capable of being easily modified to be semi-automatic then it is treated as being ALREADY fully automatic, and therefore is illegal for new civilian sale in the United States. If you even own the parts that could be used to modify such a weapon, it's considered "constructive possession" of a machine gun by the ATF, which qualifies you for ten years in federal prison. The penalties for unregistered automatic weapons in the US are very severe.

Three: Of course federal law applies within federal territory. Don't be silly.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:49 AM
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42. Ahhh...you need to read up on some of this before you spout off
Easily modifiable weapons have been banned for years. Also any competent shot would not use it.

Posse Commitatus is Federal Law, it applies in DC. You do know what that is don't you?

The gun laws in DC are indeed draconian. There was a recent challenge to the post-Heller version, which lost. Appeal is already underway, and the trial judge should be reversed and slammed for making a mockery of his court room.

I used to live in the district, only made that mistake once. The rest of the times we lived in the area, it was always outside of DC. Much more sane environment.



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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:50 AM
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9. Aside from the fact that children will be present - Im GLAD they're doing it. Its going to be
an UGLY, racist, hateful spectacle on a scale that will make the teabagger rallies look like a Girl Scout parade.

Let them show themselves.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:39 PM
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40. That's the way I look at it, Let the world see how looney they are
as they live out their fantasy that they are showing strength in the face of a communist gun confiscator from Kenya. They are just going to look like the ignorant jack asses they are.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:57 AM
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10. There is a very capable military force capable of defending Washington...
against treasonous teabuggerers militias.

This force has full access to air support, both manned and unmanned.

Some stupid act by teabuggerers on April 19 would be a disaster. The aftermath of such an event will be worse, because it won't end there, just as that first shot fired at Fort Sumpter did not end at Fort Sumpter.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:07 PM
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14. And that just might be their goal.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:27 PM
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20. If it is their goal, and they bring their wives and children to a combat zone...
they deserve to be strung up by their...

Adults who feel compelled to commit treason get what they deserve. Children should be left home.

My hope is that this will simply be another teabuggerer weasel get together, when they can show their cowardice by carrying guns and threatening citiznes with their nastiness.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:57 PM
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23. Not everyone will bring their families along - it would only take a few
to start something.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:33 PM
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34. Let's be honest, here.
Absolutely nothing is going to happen. I would bet on it. There will be 5 - 10 people will signs, yelling things about their second amendment rights, and asking people to join them. That's all.

Don't believe their Captain America hype. There will be a police presence there, and the police would deal with anybody who is disruptive. However, if it's anything like the other teabagger protests, there will be nobody there, except a few people who are all bark and no bite.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:16 AM
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46. Where was this force on 9/11? under the orders of Commander AWOL Bush?
I always found it pathetically suspicious that -- even with an hour of warning -- the Bush-Cheney-Republicon Pentagon could not muster even as much as a pea shooter to defend itself against an unarmed airplane?

That's what you get with Republicon chickenhawk liars running the show...
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:41 PM
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19. I had a post deleted by the Mods....
a first for me, I might add, for an OP on this topic.

I'll walk carefully.

Two words...... Accidental. Discharge.

Half those dumb fuckers will have a round in the chamber. Maybe half will be playing... "I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours." A LOT of gun handling. (You Freudians just talk among yourselves.)

If somebody cooks off a round, will it be followed by a full-fledged firefight? Anybody who has been in combat can tell you how things get out of hand easily. Witness the Marine 2 hour firefight with nobody during April of 1988 in Panama.

We know they are stupid, but this could be fatally stupid.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:17 PM
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24. I doubt there will be an RO and SO there to cover the event...
hopefully weapons will be at condition 4.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:18 PM
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25. THANK YOU....................
This is the kind of shit I'm concerned about.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:14 PM
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30. And they'll blame it on Pelosi
or say the police or military fired on them. This won't be a pretty sight.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:35 PM
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21. I expect violence on the 19th.
just not necessarily in DC or VA. Or not solely in DC or VA.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:51 PM
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27. People are going to get hurt. This won't end well.
:(
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:19 PM
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31. FWIW: The organizers' Code of Conduct regarding guns.
http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/



D.C. Second Amendment March Rules and Code of Conduct

1. NO UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARMS.

2. If you do not intend to comply with item #1, do not attend.

3. It is each attendee's own personal responsibility to be familiar with the firearm laws in the areas in which he/she will be traveling.

4. Please be courteous to everyone you encounter, including D.C. police and National Park Service rangers.

5. Please be sure to dispose of all trash. Let's strive to leave the grounds in better condition than when we arrive.

6. If you have any concerns while at the event, please notify a volunteer or event organizer immediately.

7. Your attendance at Second Amendment March indicates your intent to comply with these rules/code of conduct and all local and federal laws.



From their FAQ:


Will people be carrying guns?

Because it is the right of all people to keep and bear arms, we fully support the peaceful carrying of firearms where allowed by law. However, because Washington DC's overly oppressive laws prohibit carrying firearms in public, We cannot promote or condone carrying firearms at the march in Washington DC (DON'T DO IT!) However, if not prohibited by law at any of our satellite marches, we fully support the peaceful carrying of arms.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:27 PM
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32. I would bet there will be at most 5 people there.
None of these five will bring guns.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:27 PM
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33. The only thing that would make it better is if Budweiser were to sponsor the event.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:49 PM
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35. Can you imagine a group on the left getting away with this?
I can't.
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shedevil69taz Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:57 PM
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36. Can you imagine
that there is a large population of democrats that own guns? I can and I am one. Those of you who assume that all people who support people's right to keep and bear arms are right-wing is simply wrong.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:40 AM
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41. That's not what I meant.
I fully support 2nd amendment rights and like to shoot guns as much as the next person.

I meant that a gathering of left-wing protesters with guns would both be all over the news as an indication of the coming apocalypse and generally not be allowed to happen. Is this protest going to have, for instance, chain link 'free speech zones'?
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:16 AM
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43. Can you imagine Muslims doing this?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:26 PM
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48. That's an even better example.
It really seems that the right-wing nutters have 'special rights'.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:19 AM
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47. Black Panthers... Ignore them and they go away..
this is not a big deal. Hopefully no one is shot due to negligent handling.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:55 PM
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37. If they were Muslims then they would be terrorists.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:22 PM
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38. I could see a bunch of crazy loons
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 09:25 PM by AsahinaKimi
Firing their Guns in the air, not realizing that bullets are affected by Gravity and would fall back down onto them. But hey, the Law of Gravity is a law they have neglected to protest about as yet.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:30 PM
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39. I'm going to start open-carrying a dildo in public.
Hey, it's my right.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:05 AM
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45. Careful. You could put somebody's eye out!
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:45 AM
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44. Expect feigned "Librul" aggression
as an excuse for rightwads to shoot something...ANYTHING.

Of course, it will then be the fault of the left, because we ONLY ever get what we deserve, Pelosi was trying to incite violence, and women wouldn't wear provocative clothing in public if they really want to avoid getting raped.

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