Freepers respond to California GOP coming out against pot legalization (Awesome Read!)

[harry_pothead]

Okay, so I know we bash them a lot, and quite deservedly. But read their posts on this one. If it wasn't for the 1980s style web design, I'd swear I was reading DU.

Credit where it's due:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2485012/posts

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

1. but how do we tax it ??? it could save america before sara gets a chance

[Mojeoux]

25. How do we keep big agro out.???

Fascinating how the teabag wing is so pro-weed.

People up here in grower country want to be able to still market their skills, knowledge and abilities, and killer weed.

[bluestateguy]

2. Libertarians v. Big Government conservatives (usually fundies)

Anti-drug fanaticism is a trademark of the religious right.

[Duer 157099]

3. Do people really click on links to over there?

I would never ever do so. I don't mind reading some excerpts that are copied over here if they're really worth reading, but there's just no way I'm going to that site to read anything.

[harry_pothead]

5. Here's one

<By TigersEye> (his sig says "Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachmann")

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

The rest is at this link...
http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm

[upi402]

17. isn't fiber hemp very different from pot

that ya smoke?

[NoSheep]

22. Don't tell anybody-sheeesh.

[Better Today]

23. Yes, and one of the supposed pluses for allowing hemp growing,

is that it will naturally hybrid with any toker pot that may be growing nearby and make it less potent, perhaps worthless.

[starroute]

24. Yes, but hemp was banned when they went after marijuana

They basically wanted a new prohibition once alcohol became legal again, preferably one that would allow them to target blacks and other undesirables, and they didn't care if they destroyed a potentially billion-dollar industry in the process.

[Winterblues]

30. Sailors used to smoke hemp rope..

They are both cannabis sativa

[RandomThoughts]

4. What a concept, just had a crazy idea.

Its not real, but it would make a good story.

What if what we said on DU, and what we saw of their posts on Freeper was one internet.

And what they said on Freeper and they saw of our posts at DU was another Internet.


It doesn't work that way, because someone would blow the whistle if someone tried to do that, but as an analogy of some of the hype put on groups, it is not that far off.


What if in reality, the Freepers, and DU were saying the same thing, but they were only seeing the extreme side of the opponents so that they never got together on such common sense ideas like responsibility and problems with society that we all know are there, the banks, the corporations, the two tier justice, etc...

[harry_pothead]

6. I dunno, I thought it was cool to see an inkling of common sense come out of there.

Gave me some hope for humanity.

[NoSheep]

20. Me too!

[TacticalPeek]

7. Nah.

:smoke:

[Duer 157099]

8. You're high, right?

C'mon admit it! That's a totally stoned comment to make.

Isn't it?

Or am I stoned?

[RandomThoughts]

14. As an analogy of different news sources, it could be close.

But if the Internet was controlled by a few people, and there were not people that would figure it out and blow the whistle, there could be all kinds of manipulations.

I don't think that idea occurs, because someone would blow the whistle, but that assumes that you would hear about the whistleblower.

There are lots of things that could be done, simple things like dividing people into sectors, and then changing search results, or news pages for some of them would be easy to do. Although it would be easy to detect, and somebody would say something if that was the case. Unless it was under the guise of national security, but people in government are good people, and some of them would blow the whistle.

So no I don't think it happens like that. Most manipulations are subtle, like the guy that started Fox News, starting a search engine. Then shifting the pages to result off of to move right wing stuff to the top of searches.

Or how people listen to the same groups.

I really don't think that is done, nor would it not leak out if it was, I was just thinking it could make a good scifi story.

Although I do think alot of news is fake, and even many news stories are distorted.



On a side note, I think I posts some good posts, and get only a few replies, this post got 5 posts in a few minutes, I find that interesting.

[NoSheep]

21. Here's a good illustration for this:

Sorry. You have to click on the link

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=58552&id=100000769492955


And the lion shall lay down with the lamb....

[DaveinJapan]

9. Trippy notion there, I'll say that much!

[ericinne]

11. What if CAT really spelled DOG?

Admit it, you just wanna smoke a blunt with a tea bagger and THEN get political.

Yes LEGALIZE weed, then DEMAND the house and Senate smoke a bowl before each session.

Then let the bi-partisanship begin.

Change our currency leaves to marijuana leaves on that eagle's claws

[Canuckistanian]

12. No, wait, wait...

What if we're ALL on our own personal internets and we're all just, like, ELECTRONICALLY CONNECTED through our brain cells.

That would be freaky, man.......

Hey, you gonna eat that last burrito?

[Swamp Rat]

13. ... whaaaaat?

[drm604]

10. "I'd swear I was reading DU."

Until you get to the part where they start blaming progressives for banning pot and starting the war on drugs. (Interesting side note: they actually are using the word "progressives" rather than "liberals" or the pejorative "moonbats". I'm not quite sure what to make of that).

[metapunditedgy]

16. Glenn Beck added the word "progressive" to their vocabulary. n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

15. The fundies just haven't shown up in force yet.

[guitar man]

18. Yeah, when the fundies show up

They will be at each others throats... Then it will be like reading DU . :rofl:

[harry_pothead]

27. I've seen libertarians and fundies go after eachother a few times on that site.

[NoSheep]

19. That was rather refreshing! pufffffttttt. Somebody oughta go shake their hands!

[Beako]

26. Could it be that they're only for pot legalization

because they heard Glenn Beck approved of it?

[eridani]

28. We also agreed with freepers when the Supreme Court decision about eminent domain

--allowing taking of property to turn over to another private interest came down. We disliked it for different reasons, though.

[upi402]

29. Like when Jerry Brown and Pat Buchanan both opposed NAFTA n/t