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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 12:45 AM
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Photographer Namir Nour El Deen's Brother Reacts To The Wikileaks Video: "It Was Clearly A Crime"
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 01:33 AM by Turborama
I'm getting sick of people just referring to him as a "war photographer", "Reuters employee" etc. His name was Namir Nour El Deen and he was a human being with a family, not just a job title.

In this video Nabil Nour El Deen speaks out about the shooting of his brother after watching the Wikileaks footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgqRzwh-fI

This is a pretty much a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x452135">cross post from the videos forum for anyone who doesn't go there very often. It's intended to add some humanity to discussions about "the Reuters reporters".

Think about it for a sec, Nabil has just seen his brother being shot and heard US soldiers treating it as if they were just fooling around with an XBox. As Wikileaks' editor Julian Assange described in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack">article on this video...


"Why would anyone be so relaxed with two Apaches if someone was carrying an RPG and that person was an enemy of the United States?" he said. "The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon ... It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills."


This isn't just a one off incident, either.

For example, here's another report of US soldiers getting a buzz out of shooting a wounded Iraqi in 2003.


Take No Prisoners

U.S. Marines execute an Iraqi to the cheers of fellow marines

-:WARNING:-

This Video Should Only Be Viewed By A Mature Audience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-WRipsF8dE

Transcript:

CNN Presents: Fit To Kill

Aired October 26, 2003 - 20:00 ET

CROWLEY: Wounded, another Iraqi writhes on the ground next to his gun. The Marines kill him -- then cheer.

RIDDLE: Like, man, you guys are dead now, you know. But it was a good feeling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah!

CROWLEY: When the battle is over and you are still standing, the adrenalin rush is huge.

RIDDLE: I mean, afterwards you're like, hell, yeah, that was awesome. Let's do it again.

Responses: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.org/DOD/iraq_II_videos/fit_to_kill.htm">Background - Iraq, Autumn 2003
Information Clearing House has a video clip from a CNN Presents segment entitled ‘Fit To Kill.’ The video clip features the slaying of a wounded Iraqi lying prostrate on the ground ‘next to his gun.’ It is hard to discern any weapon near the man in the video; nevertheless, he was incapacitated and the marines kept firing at him. Next a bullet rips into the doomed man’s body; it heaves one final time; the neck snaps back and flips forward, and his body slumps deathly limp. Whoops of merriment are plainly audible from the killers. It used to be that morality decreed that one should ‘never hit a man when he's down.’ The inescapable conclusion is either that this morality is no longer in effect or that these killers are behaving immorally. <…>”

Excerpt from http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.org/archive/media/2003-2/20031215.htm">Challenging the Justification of Killing by "Dissident Voice" from December 15th, 2003


(Edited to fix typo)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 12:48 AM
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1. No sorry, war crimes are not commited by the United States.
Every other country...yes. :sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 12:54 AM
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2. You can't put troops in a situation like that for YEARS
and not wind up exactly here.

More than anything or any one, I hate the fucking MEDIA campaign that put us in Iraq.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 12:59 AM
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3. Oh not me, I hate George Bush and Dick Cheney that put us there
the media can rot in hell later, right now I want to see the real war criminals pay. I am surprised by peoples reaction here, did they think war crimes would just quit after Obama took office? Bush started us down the highway to hell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:03 AM
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4. I fucking hate them, too.
Yeah, this isn't going to stop any time soon. And beyond anything else, for Obama to say we have to look forward is predictable and has to be ignored.

If we hadn't looked "forward" after Iran Contra, the slime in the Bush Adminisration would have mostly been behind bars, not handing out FEC wavers to their cronies.

Thom says we're the worlds biggest third world nation and he's RIGHT.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:39 AM
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13. You speak for me too
its the puke owned media who we have to blame for this atrocity called the war on terror
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:06 AM
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5. He was a journalist on assignment, not fearing the helos at all.
Does that sound like a guy interviewing hostiles? Of course not.

This was trigger happy excess of the worst kind, and unacceptable of US military.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:15 AM
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6. I have a fantastic idea...
Don't associate with insurgents with weapons who want to attack American forces. It's liable to get you killed.

IOW lie with dogs and you get fleas...
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:20 AM
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7. How do you know they were "insurgents with weapons"?
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 01:21 AM by Turborama
It's common practice for civilians to go into areas of conflict with armed guards. They could have easily been their protection from "insurgents".
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:42 AM
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8. Everyone in Iraq is an insurgent.
duh! :sarcasm:
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:28 AM
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10. And I thought......
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 07:35 AM by disillusioned73
DU was a gullable free zone......... I may be a newbie but some of the posts by "veterans" around here astound me...


edit; veterans as in to this site, not military veterans - my bad
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:36 AM
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12. i have a better idea. get the fuck out of iraq.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:44 AM
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9. k&r
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:34 AM
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11. .


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:43 AM
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14. The Fog Of War...
As others have posted, if you're looking for someone to hold criminal liability, it's the booosh regime that waged this war for profit and used the military as their pawns...putting many in bad situations that only got worse as the occupation took hold.

I've never been in war, but I've known my share who have and honestly have no idea how I would handle the situation. War is mass insanity, laws don't apply...why the most heinous crimes have their own court and set of rules. And that's the other thing...the number one rule of war is there are no rules...it's all about survival.

I've watched this video once and will watch it again later today, but I am also watching it from the perspective of knowing who the individuals are and what the ultimate outcome is...a lot different than being in the middle of the madness of a hot war zone with heavy metal flying all around. Any hesitation could mean being sent home in a body bag...tensions and anexiety runs high...a TV camera can look like an RPG or a van that may hold reinforcements wasn't makred as an ambulence.

Yes, the video is damning and it'll be interesting to see how the military tries to deal with this...but the ultimate culpability belongs to those who gave the orders and put those people (ALL of them) in that living hell. Add it to the evidence that should be used for war crimes trials.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:53 AM
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15. K&R
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 11:28 AM
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16. Kick n/t
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