Democrats cave in to Bush. "Who do we vote for now?"

[A wise Man]

Of all the mess created by this administration, a selected President, a deserter from the military, spying on Americans for their political purpose, lying the country into a war, using our military to help Corporations steal the oil resources of a sovereign country, killing thousands of IRAQ's and 3,000+American troops, allowing oil companies to steal from americans by raising gas prices to rediculous heights, allowing the borders to remind open to overflowing illegals, reestablishing cheap labor for corporations to destroy the middle class workers.

Playing with the lives of our troops like a game of chess with the congress, suspicious shadows concerning downing street memos and 9/11, not searching for the real culprit of 9/11, a complete inept administration from Vice President, Secretary of State, Attorney General, all advisors and military Generals, sealing of records and documents of his father and Reagans administration.

Lying consistantly about any and everything, and now our democratic representatives whom we elected to bring these people down and do something about the war and the sinking of our country created since the do nothing republicans in power for six years let this administration run wild without any oversight are now caving in to this thug in the WH.

I know I'll never vote for a republican and the independent party seems a waste of votes (pro rethugs). I just don't F_ _ _ _ ing know.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. Well, the media spin says they backed down. I'm waiting to hear directly from the leadership what

they intend as their next move.

Lots of corporomedia spin on this. Hang tough SOTH Pelosi and Senator Reid. MKJ

P.S. It seems you are blaming the Republicans' mess on the new majority. :shrug:

[A wise Man]

2. I'm doing my best

to keep my composure. I just don't like the ideal that these people getting away with stealing and out right murder, and congress hasn't called them on it!!!

[BobRossi]

3. Always waiting with this group of wannabes.

What's to wait for? Not one Dem has the will to stand up for the will of the people.
Impeach the little prick now!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. Your characterization of "Not one Dem" as willing to stand up for the will of the people

is wrong.

Please take your broad bush somewhere else. We have many honorable people within the ranks of the Democratic party. Something which one cannot say about the Republicans, who have been corrupted beyond belief, with the notable exception of, maybe, one or two.

Attacking the Democrats when almost all the Congressional Republicans voted to "stay the course" and give the administration a blank check. Go figure. :shrug: MKJ

[Babsbrain]

6. What if turns out this is true?

Will you still talk of your broad 'bush'? I consider myself an honorable person within the ranks of the Democratic party. But alone I can do nothing. I depend on my elected officials to implement the will of the majority of the country. If they DO cave, what will you say?

Like the fledgling government in Iraq, should we just be patient and let them find their footing? How long is long enough to wait? How much patience are we expected to have?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

7. Boxer, Conyers, Waxman, Feingold, Dean, Waters, etc.etc.

If you don't think there are any Democratic leaders who are trying to do what's right, instead of politically expedient, then you should give up.

If you think it's true that none of the Democratic leaders support the will of the people, there is very little that can be done to change your mind. BTW, maybe you should take a look at the Republican side of the aisle if you want to ask "How long is long enough to wait?" MKJ

[Babsbrain]

16. We have been conditioned

to wait. That's why this war is into its fifth year. And that is why BushCo is still in power after six+ years. We are an indolent nation for the most part. 67% of us are overweight. Most can't find Iraq on a map. WE have allowed the atrocities we are experiencing to happen. We are anaethestized by American Idol and Anna Nicole Smith.

What if it is true that the Dems cave? How will you feel? We have also been conditioned to accept disappointment. So, yes, we will grumble and post on sites such as this how pissed we are...and that will make us feel better.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

18. You are not "we" or" us". You are you, please don't presume to speak for me.

MKJ

[A wise Man]

9. The amazing thing to me is

Our kids are being killed more by IED's than being shot. What the hell is going on here. If Japan came ashore in "41" and our army was destroyed, what would the people of this country do? I'll tell you what they'll do. They would do the same as the IRAQ's are doing "HIT, STICK and MOVE", State to State and City to City. Anything to get the Japanese out of our country. The Bush administration thinks that everyone in this country is as stupid and as ignorant as their base "THE REPUBLICANS".

[cosmik debris]

5. It will get worse before it gets better

I expect to hear Pelosi apologize for her obstinate attitude and offer * more than he asked for. Then the Dems will try to spin it as an honorable compromise.

[NavyDavy]

8. man i get sick of people who claim to be Dems always

putting Dems down....hey we have enough of that from freepers and fox we don't need it from people on our team or who is suppose to be......

[Le Taz Hot]

10. The Democratic Party does not have

an 11th Commandment. You seem to be suggesting we should.

[cosmik debris]

11. I refuse to worship at the altar of St. Nancy

If she grows a spine I will respect that. Until then, she is not above criticism.

[NavyDavy]

20. nobody said not to criticize but give me a break we are

dealing with a man who acts like a 2 yr old and if you have kids you know you have to choose your battles.....just like the so called dems who started criticizing our reps as soon as we took over, some even before, congress..

[cosmik debris]

24. You can't let a 2 yr old run your life

Pelosi should have drawn the line and demanded that Bush offer a compromise. In stead, she backed down and proposed to compromise the Dem position. That is some pretty terrible negotiating.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. Do you have link to this Pelosi quote, or are you making this up?

The one where, per you, she says,"I am backing down and will now propose to compromise the Democratic position" ?

MKJ

[cosmik debris]

26. Quote from LA Times

"Democratic leaders have said they plan to drop the withdrawal timelines from the next spending bill, which they hope to send to Bush by the end of the month.

They have indicated, however, that they want to include benchmarks for the Iraqi government to keep pressure on its leaders to take political steps to match the U.S. military effort."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-warfunds3may03,1,1084634.story?coll=la-news-politics-national&vote29474232=1

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

27. I was asking about Pelosi and/or Reid specifically, not "some people say".

MKJ

[Old and In the Way]

12. 97% of the Democrats voted to over ride the veto.

About 99% of the Republicans voted to continue the slow bleed of our troops in Iraq. This tells me we ought to be electing more Democrats in 2008.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

13. Here, here!

:toast: MKJ

[bdamomma]

14. yea, that' s true, but to take the timeline out, this is what we want.

why can't they stand up to this idiot? It took me awhile to sleep last nite, just thinking why they are taking out the timeline.

but I did watch Pelosi and Reid on C Span last nite with their comments and they do not look to happy about this at all, and there were some things that couldn't talk about with the press.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

19. Reid and Pelosi will speak and then we can draw conclusions. Until then, it's all speculation.

I haven't been able to sleep well since December 2000, knowing what little I knew THEN. You have my sympathy. MKJ

[Virginia Dare]

23. But alyce, they did...

didn't shitforbrains say about a gazillion times if they put timetable language in the Bill he would veto it? Well, they put the language in there anyway. They never expected it to be overridden, but they made a point. It was a big fuck you to the monkeyass. It puts a lot of political pressure on the Republicans. They are going to get a better Bill for it. Not perfect, but better.

[Virginia Dare]

21. EXACTLY!!!! That was the whole point of this exercise...n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. No they didn't. n/t

[dave_p]

17. They've done what they said

I'm no particular fan of Pelosi or Reid, but to date they've been honest about what folk should expect, and they've tried to come up with the goods within the confines of the cautious approach they'd indicated.

For all the frustrations, I'm impressed. Democrats were handed a nightmare mandate last November - trying to control an unresponsive Administration happy to hold 130,000 US soldiers hostage while its business cronies milk two nations. It's hellish finding a way through this well-laid minefield.

We knew the Democrat majority would duck & weave and cover its rear to an extent. But so far they haven't sold out. We know they won't come up with strong policies without being pushed - and that's what folk like DUer's are for.

If the response to the veto is to be weak, they need to press on ever harder with the investigations that will finally expose this warped incarnation of the GOP.

[NavyDavy]

22. great post!!!!