Phoebe Prince bullies live in fear amid death threats

[Yehonala]

Three of the nine teenagers accused of driving 15-year-old Irish immigrant Phoebe Prince to commit suicide have been ordered to stay away from her family.

Sean Mulveyhill, 17, Austin Renaud, 18, and Kayla Narey, 17, were all freed today on personal recognizances as long as they left Phoebe's heartborken family alone.

Judge Judd Carheart made the ruling in a brief arraignment which the three teenagers did not attend.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Phoebe-Prince-bullies-live-in-fear-amid-death-threats-90051957.html

"Outside the court, student Eric Lacust told the Boston Globe that he was angry that the three teens skipped court."
Can't that result in jail in itself? As for the library incident, how could someone NOT see this happening? Contempt of court?

"Sean Mulveyhill, 17, Austin Renaud, 18, and Kayla Narey, 17, were all freed today on personal recognizances as long as they left Phoebe's heartborken family alone."

So they actually had to PROMISE to not torment a grieving family?

"Judge Judd Carheart made the ruling in a brief arraignment which the three teenagers did not attend."

Isn't that illegal? Contempt of court?

"Narey’s lawyer, Michael Jennings, says threats are pouring in against his client over the web.

“She’s having a difficult time,” said Jennings. “She is a young woman, 17 years old and not used to being known around the world.”"

Not used to being known in the world? She was plenty used to tormenting and torturing an innocent child? She was more than happy to make life a living hell for an innocent girl. The fact that people are so mad as to threaten her shows me that there is hope for this country, that people are angry at this injustice.

They have so much nerve thinking they have a right to peace of mind after all the scummy things they did. And to think, they had to PROMISE not to torment a grieving family.

[Initech]

1. What goes around comes around.

I have no sympathy for bullies like this, these dipshits deserve whatever punishment they get.

[LynneSin]

31. eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

nuff said.

[KonaKane]

66. Some eyes need a good gouging.

With all deference to the venerated Mahatma.

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. So we leave 'em with one eye and just fuck up their depth perception.

Works for me.

[bluestateguy]

2. This is why we need tough new anti-school bullying laws

and permanent expulsion of school bullies from school.

Some do gooder educators with their Birkenstocks and trail mix and granola have this touchy feely world view about education: that all children can be educated, that nobody should be left off the wagon.

I am not one of those people.

[NotThisTime]

18. Anti Bullying laws are crap unless they are enforced, nobody wants to enforce them, no matter the

legislature. We have strict anti bullying laws and the administration does what? Does FREAKING NOTHING.... They have other problems to deal with apparently

[Tailormyst]

3. AAlthough I think its right that they are being held accountable, threats against them go to far

In the end it makes them the victims. Hopefully these young people will learn from this. It should have been stopped long ago.

[Posteritatis]

25. I doubt they'll learn

Their parents are defending or justifying their actions, the school is defending their actions... it's ridiculous, though not surprising at all.

[CakeGrrl]

29. It's doubtful they'll learn much of anything. Not everyone is capable of that.

The vast majority of us do not resort to this type of behavior in the first place.

Sometimes bad seeds are bad seeds. Not everyone is salvageable.

As for poor widdle "having a hard time" Kayla, there's something she should have tried to "learn" earlier:

Don't start none, won't BE none.

[wickerwoman]

4. Boo frickin hoo

How long before they're on Dancing with the Stars and snorting coke with all the other D list reality "celebrities"?

Nobody should have to suffer death threats. Period.

But at least they're alive, unlike their victim. And knowing American pop culture, they're likely to cash in in the long run.

[flvegan]

5. It appears that punishment has begun...

[TuxedoKat]

49. Yes.

This is going to haunt them the rest of their lives.

[WolverineDG]

6. attorneys can make appearances for clients

rare, but can happen.

dg

[msanthrope]

7. If they didn't appear, it's probably with court approval. n/t

[pipi_k]

9. Yep...they waived their "right to appear" n/t

[msanthrope]

13. Smart move. If I was their defense attorney, I wouldn't let those stupid fuckers

anywhere near media presence. They're too stupid to keep their mouths shut, and frankly, I'd be worried about violence against them.

[pipi_k]

8. Absolutely no sympathy

It's true that nobody should have to suffer death threats against them, but, like someone else said above, at least they're still alive. The little shits will be lucky if they don't get the maximum penalties for what they did.

Although if the trial takes place in Northampton, I very much doubt that will happen.

[ellie]

10. Big fat bummer!

These awful people need to be hounded to hell and back.

[walldude]

11. Nice to see a little Karma in action..

These kids... man, after Phoebe killed herself that wasn't enough for them, they went to the Facebook memorial page setup for her and started to torment her family. I hope they all do time. Not only do they show no remorse but they took joy in tormenting the family of the girl they pushed to suicide. Talk about a group of sociopaths...

[chrisa]

64. People don't forget about this.

I know they're just kids, but they know that this is wrong. They've ruined themselves by doing the memorial page thing. This is something they'll regret for their whole lives. They could run from it all that they could, but it will haunt them in every which way possible. Even if the system doesn't punish them, the damage they've done to themselves is already in plain sight.

[KittyWampus]

65. Didn't know these young women did that to the Memorial Page for Phoebe. They are lacking

empathy in the extreme.

[Mojeoux]

80. They Messed with the Memorial Page? How could sick little scumbags be so bold? n/t

Because we live in Bullying Times.

Just this past month we've seen murderous bullies in helicopters and

spitting bullies at rallies and protests.

Right wingers using violent words.

Militias and gun bullies and "Timothy McViegh Wanna-bes."


The boys who raped this girl will probably be put in protective custody.

People who might hope that they in turn would be raped in jail, remember that that means another bully

would be doing the raping.

This madness has to stop.

FMLTGE

[Quantess]

91. From what I understand, the sex was consensual.

She was underage, and one of the boys was 18, so that's why the boys are being charged with statutory rape. It's the harrassment afterward that was the real problem.

[charlie]

12. Well, Kayla's certainly known now

She and the others have their own websites, courtesy web vigilantes:

http://www.kaylanarey.com

[Yehonala]

19. Those Comments......

Reading those comments brings a warm fuzzy to my heart. Shows me that the public is indeed sane and there is hope for humanity.

[LuckyLib]

23. Not any more. Her lawyer must have told her cease and desist advertising herself on the web.

[ThatsMyBarack]

82. Link doesn't work

[EC]

14. Sounds like a taste of their own medicine

so, they don't like it huh?:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

15. Hope you little fuckers like a dose of Karma.

[ClarkUSA]

16. I doubt these teenage sociopaths feel anything but self-righteous anger at Phoebe...

for killing herself and getting them in trouble.

[Yehonala]

20. RAPE!!!!...............

I heard Phoebe was raped by the girls too! Is This true?

[Liquorice]

79. No she wasn't raped by girls. One of the male bullies had a

a sexual relationship with Phoebe before returning to his girlfriend (one of the female bullies). That guy is being charged with statutory rape because Phoebe was 15 and he was 18. From what I understand, that sexual relationship was the impetus for the vicious bullying because the girlfriend of that guy became insanely jealous of Phoebe because her boyfriend slept with Phoebe.

[Yehonala]

81. I see now..........

Thanks. I just get sick and shows how monsterous these people are that I would believe these things. I am jsut so sickened. What is WRONG with this country?

[Cleita]

17. Uhm. Reaping what you have sown?

Too bad George W. Bush and Dick Cheney haven't gotten their karma yet.

[RagAss]

21. Maybe they can run away to Haiti and get "adopted" by a Fundy group.

[Toasterlad]

22. I Care More About What Happens On Caprica Than I Do About What Happens To Those Assholes.

And I still have 5 unwatched episodes on my DVR.

[Gin]

24. Poetic justice (IMO)

[anigbrowl]

26. I have no sympathy for them, but you are wrong about the legal stuff

don't you think that if not attending was contempt of court, the judge would have treated it as such? It is the judiciary which sets and enforces the rules about such things. I think Judge Carhart is a little more likely to know what is allowable than you.

[Biker13]

27. Karma's A Bitch!

Thank God!

Biker's Old Lady

[devilgrrl]

28. Shit happens

:popcorn:

[8 track mind]

30. What I would give to live next to one of them

Give them a taste of their own medicene. I had to intervene with a bullying problem here in my neighborhood. Long story short, a kid was using his moms car so he could torment the son of my next door neighbor. A car full of kids ganging up on one socially akward teenager. I waited until they drove off, hopped in my van and followed them. The stupid bastards went to the next street over!!!! I got my chance and cornered the main perpetrator. I walked up to him and in a soft voice I said "if ever hear of you or see you fuck with (kids name) I will personally rip out your fucking spinal cord and shove it up your ass." By the time I finished that statement my nose was less than half an inch from his, and all of the color had drained from his face.

Funny thing is, the bullying stopped the next day and hasn't resumed!

[Cal33]

46. Good for you! Bullies often are cowards and need to be told

off.

[Jennicut]

32. Here are pics of the bullies:

I had my own issues with bullying high school back in the early 90's. I have very little sympathy for these kids.

[8 track mind]

34. I don't know what it is

But I swear that those kids have the same "look" as the kids that used to torment me. Sends chills up my spine. I can't describe it, but it's there.

[LynneSin]

33. I cannot believe some of the replies I'm reading here!

Yes, I truly agree that these 3 are horrible people to harass Ms Prince to suicide. I was someone who was also bullied in school, it's not something fun to be on the suffering end of that - going to school in fear wondering if someone is going to attack you or humiliate you. Fortunately I went to school when we didn't have facebook, internet, cell phones and sexting.

However, even though I do hope these children pay for what they have done - joking about "Karma is a bitch" and "get what they deserves" makes US the bullies.

Didn't Gandhi said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Some of you come across that you hope these 3 bullies end up being bullied to the brink of suicide. Doesn't make you much better even if your claims that you do it to defend Ms Prince.

[8 track mind]

35. I allmost took my life because of the torment I received.

This was before the days of facebook or the like. Being taken to that point was one of the worst times in my life. They deserve everything they have coming towards them.

[Egnever]

37. and maybe if you are lucky

they will take their own lives right?

[8 track mind]

40. Nice try

No, I want them to learn a lesson. I want them to realize that their actions had huge cosequences. I want them to feel remorse for what they've done. They need to be reminded of this everyday until they get it.

[Cal33]

54. The trouble is, if the three are sociopaths, they will never "get it."

People suffering from anti-social personality disorder cannot change.
And they feel no guilt or remorse. In fact, having a defective
conscience is one of their main problems. The only respect power --
and they can be bought off with money. Prison populations have a high
percentage of them.

So far, there is no cure for those with this problem. They do respond
to knowledge that swift punishment is sure to follo -- like the writer
above who threatened one of them long ago. Too bad, but this is the
way it is.

This does remind one of the NeoConservatives, doesn't it? Large
numbers of them are sociopaths, too. They can never change, either.

[Egnever]

36. Agreed

Somehow the bullies are horrible people for what they did yet bullying them now in return is awesome!

The replies on this thread put the lie to many of these posters supposed concern over bullying.

[Occulus]

39. Sorry, you're both wrong

These are bullies. Bullies only understand that their actions are wrong when they receive the same treatment they dish out.

Ignoring it doesn't work.
Turning the other cheek doesn't work.
Walking away from it doesn't work.
Telling them they're wrong doesn't work.
Wrist-slap punishments don't work.

The only thing that works on people such as these little shitstains is when they on the ones on the ground, screaming and crying and begging for mercy. The only thing that works on people like this- be they schoolyard bullies or adult Republican thugs- is when they get the exact same treatment.

They don't understand compassion; they see such as a weakness to be exploited.
They don't understand mercy; they see such as a weakness to be exploited.
They don't understand empathy; they see such as a weakness to be exploited.
They don't understand forgiveness; they see such as a weakness to be exploited.

They see all of the above as permission to continue their behavior.

No. Sorry. Your attitudes are the exact points of view that allow bullying to occur, that allow bullying to continue, and that occasionally force the bullied into suicide. Bullied kids (and adults) usually feel that they can't fight back- because of your attitude. As a case in point, take a look at how many school administrations suspend or expel bullied kids when they finally fight back, thus making them a victim all over again.

The only thing these people understand is getting back what they've dished out. In other words, yes, Blanche, sometimes, in narrow cases such as these, violence is most certainly not merely an option but in fact the only option.

You attitude is what got me bullied the entire time I was in gradeschool. My parents told me the exact same things, and it just never stopped. If I had fought back, even once, I would have been left alone. Sure, I might have ended up with a split lip or a black eye, but the payoff would have been years of not being bullied.

There are lots and lots of other people here who know this from firsthand experience. You can't let a bully go unpunished. If you do, you are letting yourself in for more of the same.

[8 track mind]

41. You have said it better than I ever could have. Thank you. N/ t

[Egnever]

42. So to stop bullying you must bully.

That should work out well.

[HughBeaumont]

44. Actions. Have. Consequences.

Some bullies never, EVER learn that. Take it from me.

[closeupready]

58. If you state 'some bullies never learn', you thus concede that some bullies DO learn.

Therefore, unless you have a magic crystal ball to forecast the future, you need to also concede that we need to give all such people a second chance.

[Posteritatis]

59. When they're the type that go and attack their target's memorial page, I'm not optimistic. (nt)

[closeupready]

60. Lee Atwater.

n/t

[Ex Lurker]

70. after the damage had been done

good for his conscience, and I mean that sincerely. But it didn't undo the harm he caused.

[Ex Lurker]

69. Self defense is not bullying

No one is obligated to be a perpetual victim. Pacifism is a personal choice, not a moral imperative.

[Egnever]

84. Death threats from others is self defense?

[LynneSin]

50. I"m not saying they shouldn't be held accountable to their crimes

It seems this is getting it's day in court.

But cheering on the people who are now sending death threats to these bullies - well sorry, that's just wrong. All it does is turn us into what we hate.

[Cal33]

56. Yes, your description is very accurate for those with an

anti-social personality disorder, or a "sociopath."
A high percentage of NeoCons belong in this category.

[Raksha]

85. I totally agree with you. Retributive justice is the ONLY kind these punks understand.

Re "The only thing that works on people such as these little shitstains is when they on the ones on the ground, screaming and crying and begging for mercy. The only thing that works on people like this- be they schoolyard bullies or adult Republican thugs- is when they get the exact same treatment."

Very well said.

[Posteritatis]

57. Yep, let's all roll over, take it, and give them a couple days' vacation instead. (nt)

[DeschutesRiver]

74. Retribution for those who bullied & drove a girl to suicide isn't how you define bullying. nt

[Egnever]

83. Really death threats aren't bullying?

odd world you live in.

[DeschutesRiver]

87. No less strange than yours

Do you know the definition of bullying?

This girl did nothing to them other than to exist. They embarked upon a plan of harassment and bullying with the intent of making her life not worth living. They succeeded, and Phoebe killed herself rather than endure their unrelenting torment.

They literally tortured a girl to death. They are not being "bullied". They are not being tortured, mentally harassed to the point of breakdown or threatened with death merely because they exist.

They are getting death threats because they deliberately drove another kid to suicide by their relentless actions. Their crime is not that by virtue of just existing in a world where for no good reason, and sheer randomness, a collective group of people would like to see if they can push them to suicide. Their crime is in what they did to another human being, for no reason other than that they enjoyed doing it. And as if the death they caused isn't enough, these little sociopaths are continuing the harassment of the family now. It is just genetics in motion, and this is how the pattern of their sick minds will continue to play out over the years. Phoebe will not be their only victim.

It is not at all unusual for people to want to see killers put to death. These kids are one step shy of thrill killers. My opinion is that I hope they are sentenced harshly, and then that their deeds follow them throughout their lives. And that they never shake the blight and horror of what they did until the day they die.

[MicaelS]

43. No, there's a difference

Phoebe Prince did nothing, these kids drove her to suicide. And we want punishment. SEVERE punishment. I don't want them dead. I want them to live for about 25 years in the slammer knowing they ruined their own damn lives.

[LynneSin]

67. I see nothing wrong with that - that is not my issue here

The comments about the bullies getting death threats and 'Good for them - what goes around comes around' mentality is wrong. Now we are the bullies. Are we only going to be happy once we push these former bullies to their deaths?

Allowing the criminal justice system to do their job (and hopes that they do it right) is one thing. Thinking it's ok that the bullies are now being bullied with death threats - that's making us into what we hate.

[blueamy66]

45. I don't want them to be bullied.

I want them to be incarcerated, for a long time.

[Egnever]

48. The op is about death threats

Thats bullying. These kids should be punished but bullying them back with threats of death is no better than what they did.

[LynneSin]

52. That I agree with

Perhaps I didn't come across properly - my bad if I did.

But I have no problem with these kids having their day in court and be held accountable for the crime they commit.

But it seems now the bullies are getting bullied with death threats and a few DUers are thinking "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" mentality. I think that's wrong. Let the justice system do it's duty but encouraging people to 'Bully the bullies' isn't going to solve anything.

[Cal33]

61. Yes, other potential bullies would respond when they know

that swift, sure punishment would follow such behavior.
Unfortunately, fear is the only thing they respond to.
Too bad, but that is what a sociopath is. And other
people also have a right to be protected from them.

[closeupready]

55. I agree with you.

n/t

[devilgrrl]

71. delete

eom

[Raineyb]

75. Very nice speech. But I still can't manage to give a shit about these three assholes. n/t

[LynneSin]

89. I not asking you to give a shit about them

I'm just saying that when we turn into bullies or cheer on those who bully them (aka the death threats) then we become no better than them.

[lpbk2713]

38. I'm crying my little heart out here.

Oh, for at least a millisecond.

Piss on those assholes. Every damn one of them that even knew about
the bullying that was going on, teachers and staff included.

[Javaman]

47. You know what they say about karma...nt

[tammywammy]

51. Death threats are inexcusable n/t

[Cal33]

63. You are correct. Strict laws with suitable punishment that

will be guaranteed to be carried out would definitely
reduce the number of bullyings considerably.

[Raineyb]

53. Do they? I've let it rattle around my brain and have concluded that I don't give a shit.

:nopity:

[chrisa]

62. Eating a karma snack.

Death threats are wrong, but :nopity:.

They shouldn't recieve death threats, but they should be punished by the system. I can only hope they feel a little sympathy for what they have done, but I feel like in our culture, that's hoping alot.

[Name removed]

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[Iggo]

72. I'll bet they do.

And now they see why it's wrong.

[CakeGrrl]

77. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But if not, I'll settle for the karma. n/t

[bamacrat]

73. Aw that sucks oh wait...

no one should receive death threats but these people should have to feel what the girl they tormented felt. After all they are safe behind bars or in protective custody. Phoebe didn't have that luxury.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

76. Good. Fuck 'em.

[Blue_In_AK]

78. I can't feel too sorry for these kids.

If this is how they need to learn their lesson, then so be it.

[Scatterheart]

88. Anyone here seen THE WHITE RIBBON?

It's almost like Haneke was trying to make a parallel with modern times or something! *sarcasm* Monsters like these are a significant percentage of today's youth. I left high school three years ago, and these damaged, spoiled, self-absorbed creatures are a dime a dozen. They're the product of an apathetic upper-middleclass culture on the brink of ruin. Make no mistake, kids like these are the future. As it is in the high school world they dominate with their clear-skinned smiles and encouraged cruelty, so it is with the world at large: the most enabled sociopaths always rise to the top.

[Yehonala]

90. Little Understanding...............

People who defend these bullies don't understand that people around this country are FED UP with having to learn self defense, just to go to school. School is supposed to be a stable, solid place where you can learn. Is there any other reason that students are flunking out? I was bullied in my interior design class to the point of flunking my first semester and I couldn't defend myself. At all. It's good to see scum getting what they deserve. God knows they threatend Phoebe all the time. These people have no business getting upset. They made their bed, let them live in it. Day in and day out.

They won't stop after Phoebe, it wouldn't surprise me if, if not for these charges, if they went on to torment and terrorize other people on the job, after work, maybe knife a woman who dates a man that they want, or slander her in the workplace. This shit has to be gotten under control. If not, this country is going to fall to pieces and perhaps that needs to happen. Let them go to jail, it's where they belong. Unless we get our schools back, this country will fall apart. And we are falling behind other countries since they actually deal with the bullying scum. They deserve the same amount of mercy and understanding that they showed Phoebe, which is nothing at all.