Divide and conquer. Looking over DU this morning, I see lots and lots of

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

posts attacking Democratic leaders.

The vast majority of Congressional Republicans, with the notable exception of seven in the House yesterday, have voted with idiot Bush every time since the 110th began its session.

"Oh, they're Republicans, what do you expect?" They are cashing in on the free pass of low expectations.

Whether or not these posts are deliberately perpetrated by disruptors, broad brush attacks on Democrats are becoming the norm here.

(P.S. one specific exception..the discussions about the Democratic presidential candidates are generally more balanced than the last primary season I experienced here)

So, I post this with the reminder that the REPUBLICANS in the Congress are the fucking enablers. They now get to fly under the radar as we attack our own representatives. And, continue to do their Big Pharma, Big Agra, Big Banking and Big Oil deals, knowing they are voting the way those who bought and paid for those votes are expecting.

I intend to stay around Democratic Underground and continue to support Democrats and defy and expose the mostly corrupted Republicans. It's as good a place, as any, for getting the truth out.

And, while I have no delusions that the Democratic party is somehow populated with saintly souls, the basic tenets of liberalism, on which their policies are based, are far and above preferable to the "what's in it for me" GOP. MKJ

:rant:

[ClassWarrior]

1. Somebody scared...

...the trolls out from under their bridge.

:rofl:

Thanks for speaking up, BHP.

NGU.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Sorry, but we don't accept leadership decisions just because they're the "deciders"

The Republicans in Congress have chosen to follow Bush off the cliff, and they are going down as a group. We, as Democrats, are in the enviable position of cleaning up after their mess. We have a voice, and we're using using it.

The DU is not a sheep's pen. It's a forum for airing differences, finding common ground, and educating ourselves on every opinion available.

It works.

[lonestarnot]

3. here here B.C.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. I agree, except for the "every opinion" part.

I'd say that anyone who agrees with everything the Bush administration does, might find their opinion is not represented here, much. :-) MKJ

[Buzz Clik]

14. DUers tend not to agree with Bush. However,...

... his opinions and the opinions of his adminsitrations and supporters show up on DU every single day.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

20. .

:touche: MKJ

[TechBear_Seattle]

7. Well said

I am not going to be blindly obedient just because of a party label; that would make me no different than the Republics.

[Toots]

5. Golly.. I sure can't figure out why Democrats would get bad mouthed

They have done everything humanly possible to do Bush*'s wishes....For over six years now they have done everything and more that Bush* wanted done..Can't for the life of me figure why anyone would be upset with them..:shrug:

[ClassWarrior]

6. Golly... I sure can't figure out why DUers would be so myopic.

Unless they're trolls.

NGU.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

9. Please name the Democrats of whom you speak. Or is this another "all Dems bad" post?

:shrug: MKJ

[bryant69]

10. Your statements do not correspond to reality.

But thank you for playing.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Bandit]

31. Who voted against Bush*'s tax cuts?

Who stood up and said Bush* must follow Presidential Papers Act? Name one thing Bush* asked for in the last six years that he did not get. In fact in the case of tax cuts Congress went over and above what Bush* requested. Please tell me how hard the Democrats fought against everything Bush* requested.. Even now that they have control of Congress and the majority of the American people on their side they still buckle to whatever Bush* wants. Bush* says he is "Unitary Executive", who has stood up and said BS? Bush* says he doesn't have to abide by any subpoenas either for him or anyone he choses. What Democrat has said no? Sorry I don't buy your arguement that they have been riding his ass for six years. It just ain't so...I agree with Toots on this issue. Democrats have been living with a bunker mentality since '94.

[BeFree]

43. There is some truth

...in what you write.

Pretty much, tho, Dems have been restricting their power ever since some chose to support raygun over Carter, first, then Mondale.

The continuing division of the Dems allows the united pukes to gain power.

But to answer your questions succintly: Plenty of Dems have been speaking out.

[Robbien]

8. MSM says Dems Cave to Bush. DU thread says Dems Cave to Bush

If that is the kind of stuff you are talking about, then I agree.

A whole bunch of threads and posts all expressing phony baloney "concern".

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

11. That's it, exactly.

Almost as if fingers were poised over keyboards just waiting to put the "spin" on the veto. And, the use of the corporomedia's framing, as if there was credibility in their editorialized headlines.

MKJ

[butterfly77]

12. I suspect that the trolls are out to help us ...

they want us fighting and they are afraid that we will pick Hillary or Obama. I for one will not be voting for either until I hear more and from what I have seen over the past few years, I have other choices besides these two anytime the media boosts up certain people I start looking at others. I haven't made any choice yet.

[AndyA]

13. When the Democrats in Congress start representing the interests of the American people,

I will stop criticizing them. But they are not doing that.

Oh, yes, they are investigating and having hearings, and that is a good thing. The first step to oversight of an administration that desperately needs it.

But then there's Iraq. Bush's war. The GOP's war. The war that should have never been started. And we have troops dying every day. And our treasury is being depleted and we're borrowing against the security of future generations.

The American people made it very clear last November that they wanted the war in Iraq to end, and the troops brought home. Sooner rather than later. And the Democrats were voted in in record numbers to ensure that happened.

And now, the Democrats are caving in to Bush. Giving him what he wants. How are the Democrats representing our best interests by doing so? We have a President and Vice President who have likely committed crimes against America, and the Dems are going to give them a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

We don't need the Dems in office to do that, the GOP was doing a fine job of that during the 109th Congress. When the Dems start doing what they were put in office to do, the complaints toward them will likely die down and support will swell. But they're going to have to do something more substantial than they have so far to get to that point.

[ClassWarrior]

17. Ahhh... that old canard...

"We're merely criticizing - not bashing - those fucking spineless tutu-wearing worthless worm Dems. Really."

:eyes:

NGU.

[AndyA]

19. You may call it what you like,

but until the Dems start doing what they were put in office to do, they will not have the support of a great many who worked very hard to get them in office.

Every single day that they waste getting to that point is the day more troops will die. Put yourself in the shoes of that troop's family. Is fooling around with this war worthy of a life? I'm pretty sure that family will say it is not.

Complacency is not the answer.

[Babsbrain]

15. Honestly

How would you react if the Dems do cave on the veto bill and eliminate the timetable? Would you say "oh, well, they tried"?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. Oh, you changed your tactic from the other thread. And, your presumptive question is a FAUX news

specialty.

Please look at those posts on this thread that clearly don't agree with the POV of my post and see how reasoned debate can enlighten rather than confuse or create fear. MKJ

[DainBramaged]

16. HEAR HEAR

Try discussing guns and see how many come out of the woodwork!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. Hear, hear is right. :-) And,

I saw lots of examples of which you speak in the very recent past.

MKJ

[Babsbrain]

18. I don't see it...

I don't see dems attacking dems. I see the funding bill as the most critical piece of legislation...EVER. If we lose this and let bush win, we lose. Everything.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Again with the "we", I guess you didn't change your tactic that much.

:eyes: MKJ

[Babsbrain]

25. You are right

there is no 'we' any more.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

26. Me, I'm good without group think and, Babs, now you can focus your own energy away from "we"

and on gaining your own understanding of the world and how everything is connected.

MKJ

[Babsbrain]

29. BleedingHeart

Good advice....where do I start?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

39. Well, you're here. That's a start.

MKJ

[acmavm]

24. Oh I see the SEE THINGS MY WAY OR ELSE YOU'RE A TROLL

crowd ate their Wheaties this morning.

[Individualist]

44. not to mention the hypocrisy

The OP accuses others of attempting to divide and conquer, yet his post contains the phrase "broad brush attacks on Democrats are becoming the norm here." That's a divisive statement if ever there was one.

[earth mom]

27. Are you kidding me?

So we're supposed to kiss the a$$es of Dems who pay not a whit of attention to what the people want?! :wtf:

And we're supposed to march in lockstep with everything they do because of some sort of loyalty? Again :wtf:

Excuse me, but where the fuck is their loyalty to us?! The people who voted for them and supported them? Where's their compassion for the soldiers that are dying for a god damn LIE?!

Hell NO! I don't think so! If we sit back and say nothing, then we too, have blood on OUR hands!

No FUCKING way! :grr:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

30. Well, you're pretty damn pissed at the Democrats who just sent a bill to the President expressly

to get us out of Iraq.

BTW, I never said Kiss their asses or March in lockstep. I suggested that perhaps the Republicans have much more culpability, however, your belief is that it's the Democrats who are deserving of your rage.

And, no one here is sitting back and doing nothing. In fact, I've been calling and writing our Democratic Representatives for years, specifically to make my voice heard. I do, and have done, many other things to support the Democrats, since I think we need more, not less, Democrats at all levels of government.

I've been doing my part at a grassroots level since I don't have the anger at the Democratic party which you've expressed.
I pretty much reserved that fury for those who have been 100% complicit and supporting George W. Bush's cabal from day one.

MKJ

[earth mom]

32. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

The Dems are fast becoming a huge part of the problem because they have NOT drawn any line in the sand. Instead, they are playing the game on * and the thugs terms. What do * & Co have to worry about exactly? Nothing. They aren't afraid to play the game of chicken are they? Meanwhile most of the Dems in office are not showing one lick of bravery themselves. Where are their guts, hmm?

Now is NOT the time for mealy mouthed acquiescence. It's time to Impeach.

[trotsky]

28. And if that stuff ever stops on DU,

I'm outta here. That's what makes us different than Republicans - we debate and argue and analyze issues and candidates within our own party too.

[Cameron27]

33. Best reply!

:thumbsup:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. *Yawn* Another "shut up and let the bosses decide" what's good for us.

[Beelzebud]

35. Yes, we should be mindless sheep robots that vote for Dems no matter what!!!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

37. Well, if they're subjected to divisive attacks by their constituents, we can look forward to a

Republican president with both houses Republican as well in 2008.

Hobbesian situation, isn't it. MKJ

[Babsbrain]

36. First order of business

Should have been impeachment. When it was taken off the table, it was clear from the start that the Dem leadership did not represent the will of the majority.

The atrocities that have been and are being committed by the administration are a 'slam dunk' for impeachment.

[leftofthedial]

38. the congressional democrats are somehwat nicer enemies in the class war

than are repukes

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

Thanks, lotd.

You have provided rumination material, hopefully for many. :toast: MKJ

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

40. Dupe.

oops.

[Joe Fields]

41. I understand where you're coming from, but I am an American first.

When I see people who are in positions of leadership, who aren't acting with the best interests of this country at heart, then I will continue to speak out. And I don't give a damn if they are democrats. In fact, because I love this country and my democratic party so much, I feel it all the more necessary to speak out, when my party leaders fail us.

[mdmc]

42. God Bless Joe Leiberman!

:kick:

[Greyhound]

45. Since they are in the minority of both houses, the Republiks can only

accomplish those "Big Pharma, Big Agra, Big Banking and Big Oil deals", with Democratic assistance. I think this is the source of many criticisms, and they are certainly justified.

There is a yearning for change in the nation, and this yearning was expressed in the '06 election. However, if we confuse the defeat of Republiks with a blanket endorsement of Democrats and fail to deliver, or at least make an earnest attempt, at the demanded change, we could well see a thoroughly divided, and therefore ineffective, government for the following two to four years, and that would be disastrous.