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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:32 PM Original message |
There's an odd feeling now in being a retired teacher at this forum. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is a direct attack on yet another union |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's ok if it is a teachers' union. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Think PATCO, people applauded that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. You may be right about that. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Been studying on labor history |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Me too. Those were not good days.nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
49. Corporate McPravda said people applauded that. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
248. And you'd be wrong, people I PERSONALLY knew at the time |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. We are at a 7-day work week |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
249. fully agreed |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
112. And Patco endorsed Reagan |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
150. What do you mean "going back to?" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #150 |
250. We are nowhwere close where they want to go |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
226. bingo... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #226 |
252. Actaully it is NOT china... they are way too expensive already |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. Very few people these days support unions |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Good points. nt |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. Most DUers don't support unions. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
151. Good points, |
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ckimmy57 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #97 |
219. I agree |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #219 |
318. Amen |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
233. +1000 |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #97 |
269. absolutely. n/t |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #97 |
294. Not every parking lot for teachers are all hondas and toyotas... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
149. Not so odd. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Florida better get ready for serious, severe and generational |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Link to live coverage of debate... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
141. Sure, they will, in this economy. Who runs out of slaves? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
153. No they won't. |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
157. I think this whole crazy thing will spread to every state once Jeb wins this one. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted message |
Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. We are on our own |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. some of us will fight with you. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. k&r |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
228. Hey Swamp Rat! |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. Capitalism is an ideology that has no room for any autonomous labor unions. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. If this was capitalism you'd have a point |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. The third way is fascism. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
205. Yep and it is such a different animal from CLASSIC |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. You do realize that Fascism has Capitalism as its core economic ethos, right? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
90. This nation won't wake up, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
203. No it is not, it is a very different animal |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
242. No it doesn't |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
261. That is essentially what I am saying. It is State Capitalism |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. The vote in FL may come early this morning. From 38 minutes ago.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. Only a Democrat could have made this happen, this attitude |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. There's still push back from the left... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
161. Sometimes an outsider sees things more clearly that the person too close to be objective. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Another much appreciated post, sabrina! |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
15. So they will be paying teachers by how their students score on their standardized tests |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Standardized tests. This is about money. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. How much are they going to pay the Art teacher? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
86. art teachers?..... surely you jest! |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
162. Pay 'em? |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Well said |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
40. Teachers in schools with no language problems will always get paid. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
168. Sure they will get paid. |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
17. I salute good K-12 teachers... |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. My sister was a teacher since turned principal |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
22. FL bill passed 64-55. :( |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Blah! |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Damn, My Brother is a teacher in Fl, working on his masters, this where greed brings us |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
51. I want to know what Democrats voted for it. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
106. No Democrats voted for it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. Thanks, glad to hear it. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. gross |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. my kids have been in the system over a decade. i see what the teachers do. i see who is lacking. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
175. I miss teaching but I just couldn't stand the BS anymore. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #175 |
330. A GREAT post. How 'bout reprising it as an OP ? |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
27. Duncan came from a State with a glut of teacher candidates. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. That's not the case anymore |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. No there isn't. There is still a giant glut of teachers, and it is worse |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
132. I've been teaching 30 years and they have always treated us like shit. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
159. You have been misinformed! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. That is one state |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
29. Teachers should just WALK OUT if Crist doesn't veto this... |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
30. Straight out of the Freeman school of economics. These pirates do not believe in public education!! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
31. So what's the status on the bill, Mad? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
33. OP drives a Toyota; told me she doesn't feel the need to support UAW, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That argument is old and tired and pointless |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I find it sad that "solidarity" is a verboten topic on threads urging support for a union |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. You find the thread or I will. You are not telling the truth. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
108. Not telling the truth about what, specifically? You admit to driving a Toyota a couple posts down.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. This: you said OP " told me she doesn't feel the need to support UAW," |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
121. When are you going to stop stalking on this? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
186. They won't stop. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Not true. Hubby and I are both union members. I never said that, not true. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Last GM I drove was a piece of shit |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
99. Last teacher I had was a piece of shit. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
129. Maybe you should find a foreign teacher |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Nahh. I'll stick to my union teachers. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #131 |
164. Foreign teachers are union members too |
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FloriTexan (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
145. Good luck.... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #99 |
181. Interesting point. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
111. Why shouldn't the same consumerist argument you make apply to teachers? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Students are not products |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
130. Because children aren't cars |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Didn't Toyota move their factories south to get away from the Unions? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
200. a lot good that did |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. I am sad you posted this untruth about me. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
109. What "untruth"? You admit to driving a Toyota in this very thread. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #109 |
174. But the UAW approves of the Toyota Corolla |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #174 |
208. 2010 models were made at the NUMMI plant. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #208 |
251. And you aren't the one I was replying to |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #251 |
253. Public discussion forum. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #253 |
267. "It is not me who needs to read, sir." |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #267 |
276. Hoist with my own petard. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Not suprising |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
139. If someone does not own a car, can they support the autoworker unions? |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #139 |
183. No, not what I said. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #183 |
197. WRT hypocrisy charge. If someone does not own a car, can they support the autoworker unions? |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. There's nothing wrong with my argument |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #204 |
214. It is not persuasive and is representative of For or Against Us type thinking |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #139 |
187. +1 the best response yet |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #187 |
316. Indeed |
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FloriTexan (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
143. Calling BS on your argument... |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #143 |
184. That's not what I said |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #184 |
258. I follow your argument and totally get what you are saying. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
201. what's this, the new anti-union bullshit meme? You can own whatever you want and still |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
63. OP drives a Toyota. She and hubby are both union members. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Is it a UAW Toyota? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
110. "Solidarity" is the basis of the union movement. "Support MY union; I won't support YOURS" |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #110 |
123. For us or against us. Let it go already. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
128. Deleted message |
raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
38. Well, here's one who has great respect for teachers. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
39. I am sorry madfloridian |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
43. I can define that odd feeling. It is one of betrayal. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yes, betrayal is a good word. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Pretty much every Democratic constituency is feeling it lately. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
137. Is there one that's been kicked as hard? nt |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
188. To clarify. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #188 |
291. The Democrats, in Congress and in the voting booth, |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #291 |
298. Thanks |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
44. As Bob Dylan once sang |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. "and time is running backwards.." |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
94. One of the best songs Dylan has written and painfully relevant today. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
45. Your service to the country is as great as any veterans, in my opinion. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
47. I know exactly how you feel |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Ummm... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Hubby and I are both union members. Always have been. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. The car one drives does not equate to supporting teachers |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. The car one drives.... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
104. Wait? WHAT? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
134. What if you drive a Ford made in Mexico? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I said nothing about "American." I buy cars endorsed by the UAW. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #135 |
239. Only UAW? The men and women of the IG Metall are in some way not good enough for you? |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #135 |
279. Cool. My faux toyota is on the list |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Toyota closed its only union plant |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #136 |
166. So why is the UAW endorsing the Toyota Corolla? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #166 |
173. Good point. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #166 |
185. Because it was made in Toyota's only union plant in CA |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #166 |
209. Because it was built at NUMMI |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
127. You're right |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
190. And yet our actions speak much louder than our words. |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
268. It does equate to supporting Union Auto Workers |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Listen to the This American Life episode about the Nummi plant |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
103. You do realize Toyota makes gas guzzlers? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
105. Most small "American" cars aren't UAW cars. nt |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #77 |
299. I don't think that most American cars are still crappy. |
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freebrew (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
96. I would support American cars, except: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
52. Congrats to Arne Duncan and Obama....FL just sold its soul for your money. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
57. Teachers truly are under fire in this nation and I'm trying to figure out when the shift started |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. A Nation at Risk, 1983 |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
300. Easy Answer - Reagan did it. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
60. Union busting, plain and simple. It's not just for republicons anymore. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
65. Apparently I have no credibility on education because I drive a Toyota. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. It has nothing to do with your credibility on education |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. A lie was posted above about what I said. You are feeding on it. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. What about you.... |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
107. My dad was a Michigan teacher and our family always buys new American cars |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. You're trying to tie something your Republican led stinkhole of a state did to one man (Obama). |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Obama backs Arne Duncan on this. It is his plan. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. They are just sidetracking. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I know what they are doing. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. Why do you assume... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Note the mote before the log. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
133. The thread is also about... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #133 |
156. So crap on the children |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
171. Where did I "crap on the children?" |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #171 |
289. That's how you crap on the children. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #289 |
297. There's no bullying going on |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #297 |
306. For solidarity, let it go, man. Let it go. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #306 |
309. I hope you were looking in a mirror when you typed this message |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #309 |
312. Okay. The Hypocrisy Sheriff. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #312 |
313. There's nothing hypocritical about it |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #313 |
322. Do you not understand or not want to understand? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #156 |
225. Bullshit |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #225 |
290. So you want to bust up the unions? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #290 |
301. No. There's enough on here who have tried their best to do it |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #301 |
307. That attitude is exactly what kills unions. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
66. "...the guy is on the right track, and his (Education) Secretary is as well."---Jeb Bush, Oct 8, '09 |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. madfloridian, you're a treasure |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
69. thank you madfloridian |
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mainstreetonce (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
73. Surprised to read |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Maybe it's because I drive a Toyota. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #76 |
302. I agree with you and with most of your posts. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:14 PM Original message |
Stick around and you'll see |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. GOP has put ignorance + anti-intellectualism back in style . . .!! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
82. If I were a teacher in FL, |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
231. You should see MI. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #231 |
240. Because they make crap cars? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #240 |
246. Maybe the workers had an education |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #231 |
285. Answer: Because the executives made lousy decisions |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
83. not true |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
84. It's not a union issue. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Thanks. Gingrich's dream of free market schools is coming true now. |
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bullsnarfle (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. Exactly |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
124. +1 |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
146. dead-on |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
88. Tell me again the one about Obama |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
92. Yes, I do care. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
102. The Florida Supreme Court could rebuff this attack on teachers. |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
113. :fingerscrossed: |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
114. Well here's one Democrat who thinks Obama is wrong, and I support teachers 100%. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #114 |
125. +1 |
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voteearlyvoteoften (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
116. Don't lose heart |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Some here suggest leaving Florida. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. They are in fact paying MILLIONS to get it to happen. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. It's not that they don't understand. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #126 |
138. Or they have too much invested in Obama |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
140. This is the only industrialized nation where education and educators aren't revered. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. We are industrialized---or were---but we hate the non-rich. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
144. Although I commend you for your teaching experience - |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #144 |
154. Two things. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #154 |
165. As far as the education system being broken and my |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Your "experience" means nothing in this. You are NOT an expert. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. Were you replying to me? I'm never sure - |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #165 |
199. Your experience is a view shared |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #199 |
218. Absolutely not do I believe a corporate school system would be |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #218 |
295. I think you and I agree on more than it seems. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
167. My friend, they are playing our fears to turn schools over to corporations. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. We let them privatize war and all it did was embolden the profiteers. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #167 |
182. Hello - and thank you for your polite reply - |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #182 |
192. Those "other models" have been co-opted by the corporate world for profit. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
147. I have to object to a little bit of that |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. Teaching jobs are not that easy to come by and why didn't you then? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. They should make more money than the rest of the working class |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #147 |
263. Or you and some others lacked some skills that are not the fault of teachers. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
148. Don't look now, but this tactic is used across all prefessions, and even citizens |
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Turk 182 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
152. I am a retired teacher in New York |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
155. I have noticed the same thing. Even Grayson was more caught up in the |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Grayson isn't perfect. He won't solve this. Only we can. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
170. Pol Pot is alive and well. |
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Saboburns (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
178. I am an 18 year Public School teaching vet. |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
179. I for one, stand with you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
180. This thread proves my point. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
189. Of course I support public education, but something's definitely wrong with the system. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #189 |
207. Shallow thinking. And focusing on the bad teacher is rightwing meme. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #189 |
223. Uh, the day you actually work in the system is the day you can really understand it |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #189 |
284. I don't think teachers MAKE kids smarter |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #284 |
314. Part of the problem is the fact that the US curriculum is over 120 years old. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
191. Wow 18 unrecs at 6:50 pm. |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #191 |
254. NEA newsletter urges call senators re grim jobs picture?- STRIKE NOW |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #254 |
262. First thing they did was get their own folks into union leadership... |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #191 |
319. I think it is time |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
193. God Bless you Madflo and thank you for your service! This is so depressing I have no words to |
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onethatcares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
194. Madfloridian, I have watched your posts for a long time and want to |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
266. That was nice, thank you. |
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LarryNM (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
195. Just an Idea |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #195 |
210. Maybe not enough private school teachers... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #195 |
315. The problem with your idea... |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #315 |
317. Way ahead of you there... |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
196. Late this afternoon I walked to several of my neighbors houses... |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
198. I am a Democrat who values and respects teachers .... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
202. you know why right wingers hate teachers, especially union ones? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #202 |
211. Unions are democracy in the workplace and all democracy is bad. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #202 |
257. I think you nailed it! n/t |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #202 |
325. Yes. And why are Democrats joining them? nt |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
206. Very sad but true. The democratic party has turned its back on labor unions, environmentalists, and |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
212. I write my elected reps, and my newspaper, some responses indicate concern |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
213. It is a very sad state of affairs..and when it all comes to pass, there will be those crying out.. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
215. Welcome to how the rest of us live |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. What a progressive argument!! |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Except I'm not treated like shit |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #217 |
221. That is because you work with a product that you control. Teachers do not |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #221 |
234. Same is true of doctors |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Doctors are paid for their services even if the outcome is bad |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #236 |
274. A very, very good question |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #274 |
296. Actually, no, you've got nothing but excuses and nonsense. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #234 |
245. Because doctors historically were men and teachers were historically women. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. +1 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #245 |
272. Missing the point |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #217 |
230. I guess your employer ignores your attitude. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #230 |
237. What attitude? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. Not entitled to anything? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #241 |
280. You're living in the past |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #280 |
293. That's all horseshit. I wish I could sound less uncivil but it is what it is. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #237 |
282. Yeah, yopu sound like a real gem. Probably taught yourself all you know.... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #217 |
244. That's easy. You aren't a teacher. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #244 |
277. I see |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. The day you do a more important job than teachers is the day I will feel a bit sorry for you. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #215 |
227. Hilarious. That is what makes unions a little different. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #227 |
238. Really? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #238 |
243. Really? Yes it is the union's fault, our 30+ years of conservative economic policies. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #243 |
271. My point is this |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #271 |
292. Your point that unions don't protect from everything? Really, no kidding. |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #238 |
281. It was always the GM leadership. All professions have membership organizations. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #281 |
283. Yes, all professions have membership organizations |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #215 |
310. And that is another example of how the U.S. treats its labor force like shit. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
222. I haven't read all the responses yet... |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. I have been thinking how much like the Nazis the Republicans have been lately. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. they have been heading the way... |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
232. ... |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
235. Thanks again madfloridian! |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
255. All public service employees are disrespected nowadays. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
256. K&R. I've never been so disappointed in anyone as I have been in Obama. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #256 |
278. +1,000 |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
259. K&R. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
260. Well, I certainly respect teachers. In my state, I am appalled by what is being done to them. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #260 |
264. Not even Reagan was as much of an asshole on education as the Democrats have been. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
265. The primary authority over education is the state. Senate bill 6 is a Florida state issue |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #265 |
270. It is when it involves federal moneyand federal money is all the excuse Fl. needed or wanted. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #265 |
275. Maybe you need to pay attention to what Arne's goals are. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
273. Rec. Demeaning teachers and the public school system is not the way to change for the better. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
286. Your quotes are all from Republicans. Yet, you're angry at the Democrats. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #286 |
288. Thereby making it clear to everyone here that you aren't paying attention |
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jasonnfree45 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 04:37 AM Response to Original message |
287. teachers care |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #287 |
303. Beautifully said. |
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DeanDem10 (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
304. Well, I am proud of you |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
305. When advanced degrees no longer count, it means they will be dumbing down the workforce |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #305 |
308. +100,000 |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
311. More hijack attempts on this thread than a plane full of SLA. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #311 |
324. Hnmmn |
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kas125 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
320. Ha, you should try being a member of CodePink around |
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oddvids (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
321. That's terrible. |
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reality2050 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
323. Join the Educators in Florida |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #323 |
327. Thanks for the link. Have emailed him. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
326. It is very troubling,and one need not be a teacher. |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. Resist the urge, its what they want-Dem disenchantment. Then the real "winning" Red party can win |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
329. A very belated kick for an important OP. nt |
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