797,500 children reported missing every year, 2,185 children missing each day

[happy_liberal]

797,500 children reported missing every year, 2,185 children missing each day
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810#2

I have been reading many DUers stories about almost being abducted by pedophiles, so I thought I'd look it up.

This is how many children do not get away from these psychos.

This is a much bigger problem then 9/11.

[leftstreet]

1. How many are found?

:shrug:

[happy_liberal]

5. not a very high percentage

Since 1984, NCMEC has assisted law-enforcement with more than 162,000 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 148,000 children.

Since 1997, the AMBER Alert program has been credited with the safe recovery of 495 children

[leftstreet]

8. 148,000 returned out of 162,000, over a 25 yr period?

How is that 'not a very high percentage?'

[happy_liberal]

11. 2000+ missing every day for 25 years

nt

[leftstreet]

13. Meh. UnRec for misleading stats and terra stirring n/t

[uppityperson]

18. 162000-148000=14,000/25 yrs=560/yr. Unrec for misleading stats

While I agree missing children and sexual predation are real problems, this isn't the way to go about trying to raise awareness.

Using misleading stats and phrases based on them like "This is how many children do not get away from these psychos" appeals only to emotions and insults thinking people.

[happy_liberal]

20. What are these numbers? You have no idea what you are talking about

n/t

[uppityperson]

47. They are numbers from your post above. Numbers you gave. Speaking of "no idea".

"Since 1984, NCMEC has assisted law-enforcement with more than 162,000 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 148,000 children."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8119260&mesg_id=8119317

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. Each day, not every day, and the vast majority recovered within

days, if not hours, of being reported missing.

[happy_liberal]

17. that is how many cases that were solved that they helped with

You are being misleading....


"How many cases of missing children has the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) helped resolve?

Since 1984, NCMEC has assisted law-enforcement with more than 162,000 missing-child cases, resulting in the recovery of more than 148,000 children."



797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year

[uppityperson]

19. Come on, 91%+ isn't "very high percentage"

[happy_liberal]

24. Check your math...seriously! finding 162,000 children over a period of 25 years is not 91%

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

[Gormy Cuss]

28. NCMEC estimate = apple, DOJ report =orange.

Do not compare the two.

[cliffordu]

2. So...How many of these children stay missing?

How many are run aways?

Parental abductions?

How many just plain false alarms are there??

How many really vanish, like for years??

Your numbers are big and scary but in reality mean little.

[happy_liberal]

7. ugly numbers

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
* 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
* 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
* 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. so subtracting out the 262,215 abductions we have

535,285 'other' - runaways, elopements, "I was at Kathy's for the weekend - didn't I tell you?"

A few years ago my step-daughter went missing - became a 'reported missing' statistic. Turns out she was pissed at me and her mom and convinced her friends to not say that she was at a friend's house for 5 days.

"Reported missing" is meaningless. Just a number to scare people with.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

3. Awareness is about the only thing we can do to combat this.

Children cannot be supervised 100% of the time.
And most are not mature enough to handle prtoective things like pepper spray.

[Mojeoux]

46. Better Checking up on Pedophile Parolees

Surprise visit/searches with dogs, black lites, sonar equipment for finding hidden rooms.

All over America, ASAP!

There are missed red flags by the authorities all the time.

[chill_wind]

4. K & R. n/t

[Brickbat]

6. Wait, you're saying 797,500 children "do not get away from these psychos every year"?

Goodness. Read the DOJ documents referenced in your link.

■ During the study year, there were an estimated 115 stereotypical kidnappings, defined as abductions perpetrated by a stranger or slight acquaintance and involving a child who was transported 50 or more miles, detained overnight, held for ransom or with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed.
■ In 40 percent of stereotypical kidnappings, the child was killed, and in another 4 percent, the child was not recovered.
■ There were an estimated 58,200 child victims of nonfamily abduction, defined more broadly to include all nonfamily perpetrators (friends and acquaintances as well as strangers) and crimes involving lesser amounts of forced movement or detention in addition to the more serious crimes entailed in stereotypical kidnappings.
■ Fifty-seven percent of children abducted by a nonfamily perpetrator were missing from caretakers for at least 1 hour, and police were contacted to help locate 21 percent of the abducted children.
■ Teenagers were by far the most frequent victims of both stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily abductions.
■ Nearly half of all child victims of stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily abductions were sexually assaulted by the perpetrator.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Leaping Assumptions: 'This is how many children do not get away from these psychos."

No. this is how bullshit is used to scare people. Try finding out how many of those childreen reported missing are a) not missing at all, b) participants in an ongoing custody dispute. Then get back to us, 'kay?

[LiberalFighter]

10. Or reported missing but were found someplace at home

because the child fell asleep where they didn't think to look initially?

[Warren Stupidity]

14. that was the 'not missing at all' part nt.

[happy_liberal]

16. these are national statistics

there are none that were "not missing at all"

The custody disputes would be included in the 203,900

# 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing

# 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Where is your evidence that the other 500,000 were abducted by psychos?

By 'not missing at all' I meant that the incident was eventually closed without any actual criminal activity indicated. For example, found at the neighbors house playing with friend.

[Gormy Cuss]

12. "Children reported missing" does not equal "abducted by pedophiles"

Read this to get a sense of how few were estimated to be abducted in a classic stranger/danger fashion using 1999 data (the estimate was 115 out of 58,000 children reported missing in nonfamily abduction circumstances.)
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

Some family abductions may also involve pedophiles but again, it's likely to be a small fraction of those abductions. Most family abductions are custody fights where children are located quickly.
Read here to get a sense of the distribution:
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_familyabduction.pdf


You'll note that both of the above reports are linked to the same site you referenced and both are from research conducted for the U.S. Department of Justice.

[happy_liberal]

15. online exploitation a growing problem

How many children are victims of online sexual exploitation?

According to the latest online victimization research,

* Approximately one in seven youth online (10 to 17-years-old) received a sexual solicitation or approach over the Internet.
* Four percent (4%) received an aggressive sexual solicitation - a solicitor who asked to meet them somewhere; called them on the telephone; or sent them offline mail, money, or gifts.
* Thirty-four percent (34%) had an unwanted exposure to sexual material -- pictures of naked people or people having sex.
* Twenty-seven percent (27%) of the youth who encountered unwanted sexual material told a parent or guardian. If the encounter was defined as distressing - episodes that made them feel very or extremely upset or afraid - forty-two percent (42%) told a parent or guardian.

[Echo In Light]

21. So...people are eager to downplay this as much as possible?

[happy_liberal]

22. oh thank god!

I can't figure out what is going on in this thread, but these numbers are unacceptable!!!! Why would anyone try to cover it up????

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Nobody is downplaying the problem that exists -

but many of us see that it does nobody any good to exaggerate that problem with bullshit statistics. 700,000+ reported missing is a bullshit statistic when you try to conflate that with pedophile abductions which may be one tenth of one percent of that number. More than 650,000 of those 'missing' are runaway/throwaway kids, custodial abductions, and simply 'misplaced' kids who didn't bother telling, or didn't want to tell, their parents where they were going. The vast majority are cleared up within days.

Now, the few hundreds or thousands each year that ARE pedophile abductions are a problem. But this stuff is just hysteria, like the 'satanic day care' crap of the 90s.

[Odin2005]

42. No, it's called not fanning the flames of MSM sensationalism.

Sensationalism used to manipulate people into accepting authoritarian policies.

[FarCenter]

23. Before being alarmed, read "National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview"

at http://www.ncjrs.gov/missingkids/statistics.html

"(The Law Enforcement Study found that an estimated 115 of the nonfamily abducted children were victims of stereotypical kidnappings and that 90 of these qualified as reported missing.)"

[FarCenter]

27. Some statistics

Nonfamily abduction                    12,100
Family abduction                       56,500
Runaway/thrownaway                    357,600
Missing involuntary, lost or injured   61,900
Missing benign explanation            340,500

Runaway/thrownaway are when the kid has a disagreement with parents and goes somewhere else, often to a friend, relative, non-custodial parent, etc.

Missing benign explanation is when the kid goes to Billy's house after school and mom can't find him.

[-..__...]

25. How many of those "missing" 797,500...

are runaways?.

The breakdown on the link you posted doesn't provide that info.

[Morning Dew]

26. I sure hope they find little Falcon Heene from Fort Collins, CO.

reportedly abducted 10-15-09 by a Balloon.

Imagine that, a balloon!

[Name removed]

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[Codeine]

31. OHNOEZ!!!11!!

You're delusional if you actually believe that anywhere near a significant portion of those "missing" children were the victims of pedophile kidnappings. Most missing kid cases are the result of custody disputes and runaway teens.

[happy_liberal]

33. from a comment on the book written by Noreen Gosch

"We are both mothers, and our children have been abused. Noreen and I have been corresponding for over a year and a half. I know what it took for her to gather all the information and documents to present a chronologically accurate story of the darker and covert elements of Johnny's kidnapping. The agencies that were supposed to protect our children and ourselves can no longer be glorified or trusted--they never could be, but we wanted to believe differently. We wanted to believe that Efraim Zimbalist Jr., starring in the FBI, was a moral representation of the FBI. We wanted to believe that Mel Gibson was actually helped by the CIA in "The Conspiracy Theory". The times have come to expose the years of denial of what really exists. This book is not about conspiracies because there are no conspiracies, only those who attempt to hide the truth of their insidious intent and actions. It is not too late to be outraged and call for accountability! Child abuse, ritual abuse, intentional trauma-based programmed mind control, and secret, black-funded government agencies and projects must be thoroughly exposed. Noreen has risked her life to expose the truth, a path few are willing to travel; and with all this, the gift to her was gaining her peace of mind, and perhaps, someday, Johnny can really come home. I thank Noreen for her unbridled courage, and I invite all to read and share her story."

[Codeine]

34. She sounds like a loon. nt

[happy_liberal]

35. never underestimate the evil intentions/acts of people in power

...brainwashed children as part of the government's Monarch Project and MK-Ultra program, including Johnny, did so to use them in a variety of ways to advance their own agendas.

[Codeine]

36. There is zero evidence, ZERO, that your little Johnny

was kidnapped and made part of some secret government Satanic pedophile sex slavery ring. You're talking madness.

[Odin2005]

44. methinks Gosch needs anti-psychotics. That is a whole lot of crazy.

[happy_liberal]

38. kick

:kick:

[Quantess]

39. Non-custodial parents are the biggest source of kidnappers.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

41. Yes, most missing children were taken by the non-custodial parent

often to overseas locations.

[Quantess]

45. And then....often slaughtered, stored on ice, and sold to sushi restaurants?

Sorry for the inappropriate attempt at humor. I'm trying to put this all into perspective.

[Odin2005]

43. Sensationalism FAIL!

Most kidnappings are the result of custody disputes. Please don't push pro-authoritarian MSM sensationalism.