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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:22 PM
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CIA Assigned to Kill US Citizen
By Jason Leopold
April 7, 2010 - http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/040710a.html

The Obama administration has lowered another legal barrier shielding Americans from extrajudicial punitive action by their own government,
in this case authorizing the CIA to kill a U.S. citizen suspected of having ties to al-Qaeda in Yemen and links to two attacks inside the United States last year.

Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim cleric born in New Mexico but now living in Yemen, may be the first U.S. citizen targeted for assassination by the CIA under a counter-terror policy established by President George W. Bush and since embraced by President Barack Obama.

Awlaki was previously viewed simply as an Islamic preacher espousing a radical religious viewpoint, but the reassessment of his status began last year when it was disclosed that Army Maj. Nidal Hassan had been communicating with Awlaki via e-mail before the Army psychiatrist allegedly shot and killed 12 soldiers and one civilian at Fort Hood in Texas last November.

A month later, on Christmas Day, a young Nigerian man, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines jetliner over Detroit, and U.S. intelligence officials revealed that Abdulmutallab had been a student of Awlaki’s in Yemen. Though Awlaki denied ordering the attack, word began to spread that the CIA was adding Awlaki to a list of about two dozen people targeted for assassination.

Multiple press reports now indicate that Awlaki has been put on the death list, a move that the Obama administration justifies by claiming to have information that Awlaki has shifted from denouncing the United States to plotting violent acts against Americans.

An unnamed U.S. official told the Washington Post that Awlaki “recently became an operational figure for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula” who is "working actively to kill Americans, so it's both lawful and sensible to try to stop him." Another U.S. official told the Post that Awlaki is in “everybody’s sights.”

“The danger Awlaki poses to is no longer confined to words; he’s gotten involved in plots,” a U.S. official told the New York Times, adding:

“The United States works, exactly as the American people expect, to overcome threats to their security, and this individual — through his own actions — has become one. Awlaki knows what he’s done, and he knows he won’t be met with handshakes and flowers. None of this should surprise anyone.”

After the 9/11 attacks, Bush reportedly signed a classified intelligence finding that authorized the CIA and the U.S. military to target and kill Americans abroad who were suspected of carrying out terrorist plots against the United States or U.S. interests, and who posed an imminent threat.

Former government officials said no Americans were placed on the Bush-era list. However, in November 2002, a CIA Predator drone armed with Hellfire missiles targeted a car driving through the desert in Yemen, killing six alleged al-Qaeda operatives, one of whom was an American citizen, Kamal Derwish.

The CIA’s target was Abu Ali al-Harithi, one of the suspected planners of the attack on the USS Cole in 2000, but the CIA knew Derwish was in the car.

Derwish was associated with an alleged terrorist cell in a Buffalo, New York, suburb known as the Lackawanna Six, a group that Vice President Dick Cheney considered so dangerous that he wanted U.S. troops dispatched to arrest them despite the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which generally prohibits the use of armed forces acting in a law enforcement capacity.

Awalki reportedly had already been placed on a separate, top-secret assassination list maintained by the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), meaning he’s now a military and CIA target.

Justifying Assassinations

While the Bush and Obama administrations have justified these lethal policies under the laws of war which permit countries to use lethal force against enemy combatants, the chief concern is that these death lists have been used to kill individuals far from any battlefield or when they are not presenting an immediate threat.

As for Awlaki, it is also unclear what new intelligence exists that would justify U.S. intelligence and military forces to hunt him down and kill him without any judicial review.

In February, constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley noted that “as reaffirmed in cases like Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), American citizens have the same protections” whether on U.S. soil or not.

“In that case, two American women who murdered their husbands on American military bases abroad were given the same protections under the Fifth Amendment regardless of the fact that they were located and committed the crimes abroad,” Turley said.

The law professor also argued that government-sanctioned killing of a U.S. citizen without any judicial review created a dangerous precedent. “If a president can kill U.S. citizens abroad, why not within the United States?” Turley asked. “What is the limiting principle beyond the practicalities?”

There’s also the question of how reliable the incriminating intelligence might be. Last week, for instance, the Obama administration backed away from claims of terrorist activity that the Bush administration had used to justify torturing Abu Zubaydah after he was captured in 2002.

Intelligence analysts freely acknowledge that much of their information is not the sort of evidence that would stand up in a court of law.

The Los Angeles Times has described the methodology used in selecting people for targeted killings. “New targets are drafted by analysts in the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Center,” the newspaper reported. “Former officials said analysts typically submit several new names each month to high-level officials, including the CIA general counsel and sometimes Director Leon E. Panetta.”

The New York Times reported that the presidential authority for these killings derives from congressional approval for use of military force against al-Qaeda and thus skirts longstanding bans on political assassinations.

“People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the United States and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination first approved by President Gerald R. Ford,” the Times wrote.

Rep. Jane Harman, a California Democrat who chairs the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, told Reuters that Awlaki is "probably the person, the terrorist, who would be terrorist No. 1 in terms of threat against us."

Harman conceded that Awlaki's U.S. citizenship “certainly complicated” his placement on a death list. Still, she said, President Obama "made very clear that people, including Americans who are trying to attack our country, are people we will definitely pursue... are targets of the United States."

Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence, told a House Intelligence Committee hearing in February that the CIA can assassinate Americans abroad suspected of being involved in terrorism.

"If we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that," Blair said, adding that the criteria to be targeted for killing includes "whether that American is involved in a group that is trying to attack us, whether that American is a threat to other Americans.”

“Those are the factors involved,” Blair said. "We don't target people for free speech. We target them for taking action that threatens Americans or has resulted in it."

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:23 PM
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1. By Jason 24 Business Hours
:eyes:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:26 PM
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2. Please, do post your last article for comparison!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:35 PM
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4. the pinnacle of credible reporting
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:57 PM
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6. What did he get wrong?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:55 PM
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5. And what in the article do you disagree with?
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 09:56 PM by sabrina 1
Is the president now a King? Are you more concerned about the trivia you just posted than the future of this country as a democracy?

I believe in the Constitution of the U.S. What do you believe in? Is someone making one mistake about a court case, which happens all the time btw, more important to you than the fact that we now have a president who has issued an order to kill another human being based on 'unnamed sources'? Who are these sources? I bet you were among those who were very concerned about this reporter's 'unnamed sources'.

How do you feel about a president using 'unnamed sources' to make himself judge and jury by ordering the death penalty without presenting any evidence, or even charges being filed? What is the evidence? Do YOU know, you seem remarkably unconcerned about these issues for someone who claims to be so upset over one story where a reporter got wrong information, something that happens so often, I always wondered about the that particular witchunt.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:33 PM
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3. Awlaki, is a traitor.
:evilfrown:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:58 PM
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7. I'm sorry, when was the TRIAL? Has an investigation been FULLY conducted and charges filed?
So, he speaks CRAP and places himself in the public arena - media?

KILL HIM?!?

WTF? Have we lost any semblance of what it MEANS to be an American?

I've always known that the CIA must conduct assassinations. But back when I was a young woman, at least they kept it secret.

OPENLY ANNOUNCING that we are going to EXECUTE anyone whom President Obama deems "a threat" is VILE. ... IMMORAL.

I'm ashamed of my beloved Country today. We have lost our moral compass. :(
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:23 PM
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9. I feel bad as well, but
Sometimes you have to do things that we find morally wrong. I think this is a case of, "self defense."

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:28 PM
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10. What SELF DEFENSE was served in killing those civilians? How is occupying two countries DEFENSE?
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 10:29 PM by ShortnFiery
How EXACTLY is it keeping Americans safer, both at home and abroad?

IF CHINA invaded the USA, would you understand your post referring to you and your children being cut in half by a cal 50 from a helicopter gunship? Would you sacrifice your child because CHINA is only thinking of it's SELF-DEFENSE?

You see, it doesn't sound as "GOOD" when it's turned around on our own citizens by an outside invader such as China or Russia?

Do you honestly believe that either God (or what you consider A Higher Power) is on our side?

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-apache_helicopter.jpg http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-god_almighty.jpg
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:21 PM
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14. I'm sorry if I've offended you
It's just that some situations call for radical solutions.

Btw, I have first hand experience w/ collateral damage including innocent civilians. Vietnam taught me lots of lessons and reinforced many core values. People plotting against you have to be dealt with.

Alwaki is a traitor that actively plots to harm Americans and others. He needs to be neutralized.

:shrug:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:36 PM
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21. My brother was in the 101st Screaming Eagles Airborne in Vietnam.
He conveyed to me a lot of atrocities too. I served in the military as well but not in combat.

My brother and I disagree with you. People don't have to be "dealt with" unless you fear for your life. There are many split second decisions that my older brother (Vietnam Combat Vet) and my father (Army Combat Engineer) made that killed people. Decisions they made that they wish they could take back.

Yes, I get "the fog of war" but the POINT IS: Our COMBAT troops should not be over there.

What? Do we have to sacrifice another 58,000 troops in these hell-holes LIKE we did in Vietnam before the people rise up and say "NO MORE?"

The ruling class elites who want to play geopolitics in Asia are responsible for our troops being sent over there to kill and die, not for security - but to prevent China from exploiting the natural resources FIRST.

Bring the troops home NOW! They are defending NOTHING but the power of the multi-national corporations comprising the Military Industrial Complex and the Ruling Political Elites. It's just VILE. :puke:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:01 AM
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25. I basically agree w/ you, but
Alwaki is in Yeman. Not Iraq or Afghanistan.

He's there plotting and actively sending and promoting violence against others. He could turn himself in and have a trial or he can verify that he his an enemy and a traitor by hiding out.

I abhor war and killing under most ALL circumstances, but there are times when you must defend yourself.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:11 AM
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30. Holy Shit level Catch 22! "or he can verify that he his an enemy and a traitor by hiding out"
Now, he should be killed because he is hiding?

1. We announce we are going to blow his ass of the planet.
2. He hides.
3. Cool, now we can kill him for hiding.

Are you an intern for Woo or Bybee?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:41 PM
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22. p.s. Alwaki has NOT been adjudicated. Where does it end if THIS American being assassinated is OK?
NO, part of being an AMERICAN is to take the tough moral stands, not behave like "hired assassins" who, IMO, are the lowest form of humanity.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:07 AM
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29. If the USA stops killing people, "plots to harm Americans" will decrease. Doh.
But hey, let's just kill, kill, kill, and see if maybe someday people just stop fighting back.

Yeah, that''s the plan for achieving peace we can all believe in. :rofl:
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:29 PM
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11. Dick Cheney is posting at DU -- Wow.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:33 PM
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35. We got more Dicks here than over at FR
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:28 PM
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16. It, by definition, is by no means 'defense'
to seek out and murder someone when they are not directly in the act of attacking you. It is an offensive action.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:16 AM
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32. How is it a case of self-defense? Do you have any evidence
other than 'unnamed sources say'? Is that the standard of proof now needed in the U.S. to kill someone? The CIA? The same people who fabricated the evidence of WMDs in Iraq? You are willing to accept an allegation from 'unnamed sources' rather than abide by the rule of law? Wasn't that the problem with Bush, how is it different now?

I have little hope for this country. It happens so easily, this slide into fascism. It definitely helps me understand what I never understood about Germany, why the German people went along. As Goehring said 'it is easy to bring the people along, all you have to do is tell them they are in danger'.

This is so wrong on so many levels. But that is coming from a Democratic president leaves no hope for this country to ever return to even the pretense that this is a democracy. We are a third world banana republic. There isn't even any opposition. How clever of them to use a Democrat this time. When Bush tried, at least the left could be counted on to oppose it. But your post says it all. It isn't about morals, it never was, it's about 'if my team does it, it must be alright'.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:01 PM
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13. As I was reading this article...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 11:03 PM by CoffeeCat
I was thinking about and wondering, "Why are they announcing this? Why do I even
know about this?" Why is the CIA conducting a public-relations effort to trumpet
the fact that Obama is part of issuing kill orders on a U.S. citizen?

Obviously, I can't definitively answer these questions. However, it is obvious that we know because
they want us to know.

So, what are they doing?

(My guess...possibly, they're iteratively allowing us to grow accustomed to the CIA killing
bad U.S. citizens. Possibly, they're securing the continuation of this vile behavior--by
preventing Obama from doing anything about it---by implicating him as part of it).

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:30 PM
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17. I had the same reaction
But I was more like :wtf:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:30 PM
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18. Keep the populace frightened and compliant?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:33 PM
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20. No need for a trial
The fucker is holed up with terrorsists promoting terrorism.

Kill his dumb ass and be done with it.

He's an enemy of the nation every bit as much as American citizens who went to Germany to join the Wermacht during WWII.

If the asshole wants a trial, let him return to the U.S. and face the consequences of his actions.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:46 PM
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23. Wow!
You don't get it - our Government, in the wrong hands, can then put an assassination order out on ANY OF US.

Do you honestly TRUST our Government to always tell us the truth when they've outright LIED to us so many times in the past? Do you TRUST our Government to carefully weigh all the CIA evidence or just unilaterally decide that someone's a public relations pain in the ass and needs KILLING?

This will come back to bite us in the ass because it can be turned on ANY OF US.

Please take just one "quiet moment" to process how this horrific policy can be ABUSED by our ruling political elite?

WHO DECIDES WHICH AMERICANS ARE LABELED TERRORISTS AND PROMPTLY EXECUTED WITHOUT TRIAL?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:05 AM
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28. I believe in and trust the government.
This is an asshole traitor who is beyond the scope of the U.S. legal system operating in direct conflict with the United States.

He is a traitor and deserves a traitor's death.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:15 AM
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31. Remember Iran-Contra?
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 12:16 AM by L. Coyote
I'll trust the government when my stab wound scars from Central America disappear.

When they try to kill you, you might see the light! Of course, that might be an instant too late.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:22 AM
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33. OMG! Do you realize that your government LIED to us about "The Gulf of Tonkin"
that got us into The Vietnam War? Also, they lied us into the Iraq Invasion?

When did you get to play Judge, Jury and Executioner of THIS AMERICAN?

What happens when the day comes, sooner rather than later, that our elites in government consider YOU and those LIKE YOU as "a threat?"

You are FOOLISH for trusting in ANY GOVERNMENT or ONE POLITICIAN.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:04 AM
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34. Well said
Maybe someone is watching too much Faux news??? :rofl:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:01 AM
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26. So should Obama be a war criminal in response, a murderer like Bush and Reagan?
In a "modern democracy" in a "free country" the Justice system deals with crimes.
I surely hope that will someday be the case in the USA too.
This slippery slope leads to throwing liberals out of planes over the jungle or ocean.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:03 AM
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27. And you heard it on Fox News, right?
Or, did you investigate this yourself?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:01 PM
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8. Yes, we know
Been posted & discussed a dozen times in the past 2 days.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:31 PM
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12. President Palin & VP Giuliani have ordered CIA assassinations of antiwar activists in London & Paris
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 10:32 PM by troubledamerican
Building on the precedents set by President Obama in the previous four years.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:27 PM
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15. As we used to say in the newsroom...
when a suspect is killed while evading arrest:

Guilty!
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:31 PM
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19. U.S. Passport Page 4
"8. Loss of U. S. Citizenship: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U. S. citizenship..."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:49 PM
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24. “Those are the factors involved,” Blair said. "We don't target people for free speech.
Really? Is that how he explains East Timor to himself?

This person is very, very bad news.
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