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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:23 AM
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Credit Industry pushing back hard on regulation of credit checks for hiring...




http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/business/10credit.html?pagewanted=all

April 9, 2010

As a Hiring Filter, Credit Checks Draw Questions
By ANDREW MARTIN


...........Screening the backgrounds of employees “is critical to protect the safety of Connecticut residents in their homes and offices, in their cars and in all other places they travel,” Mr. Rosenberg testified to Connecticut legislators in February 2009, explaining why TransUnion markets its credit reports to employers.

Trouble is, researchers say there is no evidence showing that people with weak credit are more likely to be bad employees or to steal from their bosses, a fact that Mr. Rosenberg himself later admitted.

“At this point we don’t have any research to show any statistical correlation between what’s in somebody’s credit report and their job performance or their likelihood to commit fraud,” he said in separate testimony to Oregon legislators in January.

With millions of Americans nursing damaged credit reports after a bruising recession, some lawmakers are seeking to limit the use of credit reports as a factor in hiring.

Legislators in more than a dozen states have introduced bills to curb the use of credit checks during the hiring process, and three states have passed such laws.

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Supporters of such laws say they are necessary because an increasing number of employers are doing credit checks even though there is no proof that bad credit is a marker of risky employees.

Furthermore, they say the practice unfairly tars the huge pool of people whose credit was damaged by layoffs, medical bills or other factors beyond their control. They also say it disproportionately screens out minorities.

“Bernie Madoff had a pretty good credit score,” said Matthew Lesser, a Connecticut state representative who introduced a bill early last year that would have limited employers’ use of credit reports.

“And yet there is this consistent message that if you have a bad credit score, there is something wrong with you.”

Jerry K. Palmer, a psychology professor at Eastern Kentucky University, said his studies, though relatively small, found no correlation between the quality of an employee’s credit report and that worker’s job performance or likelihood to quit.

He said he was not aware of any studies that showed a correlation between poor credit and employee fraud or violence. But he noted that more research was needed to show what credit reports could predict.

Even so, the industry that sells credit checks has remained firm, mounting a counterattack against legislation with some success.

Bills introduced in California, Maryland and Connecticut, for example, have been stalled amid opposition from credit bureaus and other businesses. ...................
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:26 AM
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1. So your credit score, which is actually worse if you manage your money well
is going to be an indicator or moral character?

Oh yeah, that will work out well.
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:54 AM
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2. this practice has keep many from finding a job and supporting their families.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:25 AM
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6. Yep...I know two people personally who have had their identity stolen.
They are wonderful folks who have been unfairly "stamped" as untrustworthy. :(
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:38 PM
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10. Yup it's been going on awhile now
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 02:39 PM by walldude
and how it makes sense that a person without a job is supposed to have great credit is beyond me. No one wants to have "bad credit" people in this country are trained from birth to live beyond their means.
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:52 PM
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16. Its easy to get a bad credit score once the job is gone and bills
are late or only parcel payment.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:03 AM
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3. I bet those credit reporting corporations stand to lose a lots and lots of $$
I wonder who started all of this basing the value of your soul solely on your damn credit score anyway?



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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:19 AM
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4. when creditors call I tell the story of the job coming down to 2 candidates,
and I didnt get the job because I had a lower rating and therefor I cannot pay them and its their f*ing fault. So I am unable to pay. Then I get the lecture about responsibility for debts. I say bullshit, look at my lifetime record, I was never late until America shed all her jobs for quick corp profit.



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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:55 PM
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15. That is exactly the motive behind this -- the big three credit reporting agencies will lose revenue.
n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:23 AM
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5. parasites n leeches supported by congress via lobbyists - bizness as usual nt
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:33 AM
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7. A pristine credit check could hide prison time.
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 09:37 AM by Froward69
Hell from my own experience I let someone rent an apartment who had a pristine credit report.
I then started having
1)mailboxes broken into.
2)burglaries of units
3)gay tenants started to be harassed with garbage strewn on their beds.
4)suddenly the a cop friend of mine told me my property was on the nuisance list as I had (drug) traffic. good credit was dealing Cocaine.
5)suddenly because of these happenings I had a large exodus and in turn high turn over.
6)my now ex wife became addicted to cocaine and ran off with the "pristine" credit report guy.

turns out he had arrived in my state after finishing his parole. he did 12 years in pelican bay prison for dealing cocaine. he went in when he was 19. got out at 31. rented from me at age 33. No credit history (thus GOOD credit)as he was in PRISON! can't fuck up your credit in prison.

I now do criminal checks exclusively. Credit checks are worthless unless I was giving loans.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:27 PM
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8. Hmmm ... which three states? nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:50 PM
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14. Washington State is one
that passed laws against using credit reports in hiring. Unless the position can be proven to somehow need a credit check - such as a job in a financial institution. From what I understand the burden of proof is fairly stringent on the companies that want to use credit checks.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:35 PM
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9. The one thing that so-called credit scores do accurately reflect is obedience.
Obedience is the primary characteristic for good serfs. We have all seen that intelligence, talent, ability, etc. are generally neither valued nor rewarded in our society (athletes are a possible exception) nearly as much as nepotism/cronyism.

Our "education" system is all about instilling unconditional obedience to authority while learning is not even on the map. College is being transformed to vocational training, again with obedience as the primary quality sought by "recruiters".


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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:45 PM
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13. I disagree. Most people honor their debts when they are able to.
'obedience' and not paying legitimate debt are unrelated concepts.

If you rack up credit card debt buy swag and think you are some sort of rebel by not paying it back I'd say you are thinking like an adolescent. On the other hand when unemployment or illness cause financial problems, not repaying debts has nothing to do with rebelliousness, just necessity.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:41 PM
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11. "Safety" is such a give away word - this is about more power for Transunion
"For your safety" pretty much translates to "we're screwing you over".

The more areas of life that credit scores influence, the more power credit scoring companies have. Hopefully they will lose this battle. For the 'safety' of the nation's citizens. I mean for the credit reporting agencies' saftey, lol.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:43 PM
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12. It is all about power and control. I once heard that religion was created
to keep the poor from eating the rich.
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