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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:24 PM
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••••••• Palin Video - Screech Lady Alert - PALIN MUST BE STOPPED •••••••
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 09:25 PM by breadandwine
Here is the full video of a recent speech by VAMPIRE QUEEN Palin at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB1ZROAyaAg

While everyone is having their jollies that this walking disaster zone is road kill for the GOP, I watched this speech and came away thinking that despite her lunatic resignation as governor she is now doing exactly what she needs to do to win the presidency. We live in a country gone mad with corporate media that couldn't care less about their responsibilities and if Palin had shrieked that the Moon is made of Worcestershire sauce all the nuts there would still have roared their support while the corporate media would have covered for her by saying she was just being folksy. It's her style. She knows how to push everyone's buttons and peddle the red meat with cheap slogans everyone there loved.

I don't believe she's a blessing to the Democratic Party. I think she's dangerous. She has a glint in her eye, a never-ending smile and she makes her followers FEEL GOOD. What I saw in that speech was CHARISMA. I think she's a female Reagan, who, by the way, was ALSO an idiot and insane. She tells so many lies you can't keep up with them all to refute them. It's like what Mark Twain said, "A lie can make it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its galoshes."

I think we should stop loving Palin as a disaster for the GOP. I don't think she is. I think she's dangerous. And I think she has to be stopped.

Watch the speech. She's going straight for the party base - the nuts, the anti-environmentalists, the tea baggers, the gun nuts and the oil industry contributors. It's not just what she says. It's that she will have the oil industry bankrolling her to get that message out and force it down everyone's throats like a toilet plunger strapped to a jack hammer on steroids. (Sorry, that's a triple mixed metaphor, I know.) Palin is combining oil industry money with street thug brown shirts. That's a very dangerous combination and it has a name. It's called FASCISM.

Okay, I admit it. I have my fun with her too. I particularly enjoy this interactive website spoofing a Palin Oval Office:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

But enough. Now that the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people and can buy elections, Palin is going to be right up there leading the invasion of the Teutonic Warrior Barbarians. There is no shame in anything she says, no nuance, no holding back at all. Palin has more BALLS than anybody else and any Democrat. It's all overdrive. It's utterly brazen and most people don't have the guts to stop someone with that much nerve. They want a Caesar and they're enthralled by it. Palin is no longer a lightning rod for criticism except among progressive sites. Among the viewers of the corporate media she's now a star and people will forgive and forget her mistakes because Obama is the central target and too many people want to hate him. So for many, as long as Palin is attacking Obama she can do no wrong. And in 2010 she'll rile up the base (the key to winning midterm elections since a lot of voters don't vote in midterm elections - it's all decided by the fanatics) who will be energized to rush to the polls while Democrats will be shell shocked by that onslaught and stay home. She's a bully and she's leading THE GREAT INTIMIDATION.

It's so over the top with no shame that she immediately corners the market on the GOP base. She is going to be the GOP nominee. It doesn't matter that she's a wacko. She's going to leave everybody else in the rear view mirror and never look back as she floors the gas peddle. While we're busy gloating that she can't win, too many of us are giving her a free ride (at least compared to the real gravity of the danger) and she will have built up too much of a head of steam to refute all the lies by the November 2012 election. We won't even be able to keep TRACK of all the lies by then and we will be confused by overchoice and squabbling over which lie to concentrate on most to refute. Democrats perpetually refuse to answer the other side until too late with our endless positive thinking seminars and she exacerbates that problem because she has so much diarrhea of the bullsh*t (sorry again for another mixed metaphor) that instead of answering we just laugh because we can't believe anyone could really believe all that crap. And then while we lie at anchor, they do. We love to laugh at her and so we are giving her too much of a free ride. Even though we criticize it's with a chuckle and we don't take her seriously enough.

And the GOP is going to retake Capitol Hill in 2010 which will only give her still more momentum. Never forget that Obama won against lackluster McCain and Palin is not a lackluster. And she is much more polished now than back then. She is a GOP star in the making and she is much more dangerous than most Democrats think. She has the guts to go for the jugular while other Republicans are hamstrung by worries about being moderate, which ties their hands behind their backs and makes them look like wimps. (Okay, they're NOT moderate, but they are more moderate than her, comparatively.)

Palin also isn't shackled by PRUDENT political consultants who are so busy pushing BLAND JUICE that they've got every candidate's brain marinated in formaldehyde (man, I gotta do SOMETHING about those multi-metaphors). This is the problem Democrats have: Blandville. Palin is unshackled and she can rip every opponent a new one. Obama doesn't go for the jugular. Palin does.

I'd much rather have somebody drab and shabby, lackluster and mumbling as the GOP nominee, even if he's not as radical as Palin. People are so quick to forget everything wise that they have already learned. They will leap up and say, "Yes! Yes! Cutting taxes will solve everything! Things were GOOD under Bush! If we let the rich get richer it will someday all trickle on us and we'll get rich too! There is no such thing as global warming! Drill baby drill!"

Palin is a DEMAGOGUE and we are too complacent about it. She's a FASCIST. We're laughing. We're chuckling. And the electronic servers were rigged in 2008 and Obama would have won by more otherwise. They were also rigged in 2004. They will be rigged in 2010 and 2012. When Palin is making her acceptance speech on election night 2012 you will all be shocked and saying, "Wha hoppen?" This country is coming unglued. Nobody is fixing the server issue, the electronic voting. Nobody is fixing the Supreme Court ruling that corporations can buy elections. You say she's an idiot who can't win? SINCE WHEN DID IDIOCY STOP A REPUBLICAN FROM WINNING???

Consider this. Nixon got caught red-handed taking gifts and it was thought his career was finished. He gave a tearful speech about how his dog Checkers had been a gift to him and said, "We're gonna KEEP that dog!" A few years later he came roaring back, won the presidency and spent 8 years trying to impose fascism even though every progressive was convinced he was surely finished.

Palin is a fascist demagogue who must be stopped now before she gets too much of a head of steam.

STOP PALIN NOW!





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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:30 PM
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1. she's a frightening piece of work....the media is now calling her a superstar
be afraid
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:30 PM
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2. If I were a bored sadist with a TV set on another planet, I'd root for her
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 09:51 PM by BeyondGeography
Points taken, but there are even more reasons why she'd be roadkill in 2012. You could start with her -20 favorability ratings and take it from there.

She has legions of doubters even at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference:


Given those commonly heard objections among rank-and-file party workers, it appears that no potential Republican candidate can yet claim to be the heir apparent and the race could be wide open.

Take Palin, the former Alaska governor who headlined the recent convention of tea party activists.

She gave an impassioned speech to the Republicans, denouncing Obama's foreign policy and domestic agenda, particularly his energy policies. She favors more oil and gas drilling along U.S. coasts. She has said she may run.

"I'm for Palin," said Vance Martin, a Republican volunteer from Oklahoma City. "She has authenticity; she's a strong constitutionalist, and a fighter. She takes a hit and keeps on going."

Others also said they liked her, but said her work as a small town mayor and her half-term as governor were not enough experience to lead the party's charge against Obama, even if he also had scant experience before winning the presidency.

"She's great. But she lacks the experience," said Elmer Flucht of Maumelle, Ark., in a comment heard several times Saturday. "She's a heck of a lot better than the clown that's in there now, but she needs more experience."

"A great rah-rah gal," said Bonnie Re of Boca Raton, Fla. "But I don't think she's presidential. She's not worldly. She doesn't have a business sense. She needs more vetting, more experience."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/10/1573492/unified-by-hatred-of-obama-gop.html#ixzz0kkvxH7b9



And this is what the wingnuts say about her.

Cheers.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:12 PM
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10. So, BeyondGeography, it's your testimony that she won't be nominated because she lacks experience?
Obama: Briefly a senator and a community organizer before that.

George W. Bush: Nothing but a frat boy before being president.

Ronald Reagan: LOADS of hard core Republicans were against him till he won. He actually didn't win the first time he sought the White House.

So what does it prove that some Republicans don't like Palin? Just look at the screaming, drunken hoards cheering her on and draw your own conclusions. She has the crowds, the MOB behind her and people aren't thinking clearly in a mob. Millions of Americans have the mentality of brown shirts right now and she's going after that crowd.

We need to quit being smug and stop her.









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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:20 PM
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11. That's what her own base is saying
Which masks other problems, of course, not least of which is her utter inability to answer a substantive question.

Bush and Reagan were governors of large, culturally diverse states, and they didn't quit their jobs midway through.

Obama's substance was always apparent to all but the haters.

I'll stop being complacent when you stop being alarmist.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:30 PM
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13. Which base would that be, BG?

All those screaming maniacs don't seem to have a problem with her.

Any reporter can cherry pick quotes from a few grumblers allied to other candidates.





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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:39 PM
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15. Then why isn't she routing everyone in the straw polls?
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 10:40 PM by BeyondGeography
Today she came in a whopping 3rd place behind Romney and Paul. And that's at a meeting of southerners. She finished a very distant 3rd at CPAC.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:57 PM
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17. Perhaps I could point out that Romney and Paul have already run before.
Palin is just starting her race compared to them.

Romney and Paul have a head start on her.

So do a lot of other Republicans who ran before, yet she's already #3? If I were her campaign manager I'd be pretty pleased right now. Watch her overtake #2. She'll be #1 by the GOP convention in 2012.

If you want a better litmus test look at Sean Hannity, a media star to the GOP rank and file and a leader of their pack (not "PAC") and he's drooling over her.





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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:05 PM
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20. She was the VP nominee 18 months ago and she's only #3 is more like it
Maybe her ratings with Republicans something to do with her quitting her governorship in the meantime. But feel free to be overwhelmed by her as a threat; you are fact-resistant on the matter and there's nothing I or anyone can do about it.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:19 PM
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22. BG, if there is nothing you can do, why are you posting?
You underestimate the mob, which doesn't need intellectual erudition to make decisions.

Hitler was way back in the polls.

Then guess what happened.



In any case, I am not fact-resistant. My OP and other posts on this thread refer to sound political history and theory. A few polls mean very little at this stage and always underestimate the radical. Look at how low Pat Buchanan was in New Hampshire when he ran against President George HW Bush. Then he really got a piece of him when the votes were counted, many more votes than anyone expected.



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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:33 PM
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3. Great post, but you forgot to mention that the biggest part of her base is fundamentalist Christians
Fundamentalist Christians love Palin. They don't know or care if Palin is a complete dunce and lifelong loser. All they care about is Palin is pro-life. Conservative Christians would like Hitler if he professed to be 'born again' and used all of the right wing buzzwords. Look at Glenn Beck. He says he is 'born again' and so Christian conservatives love the guy. They don't care what he says or how insane Beck is, all they care about is he said he was 'born again'. The same religious imbeciles blindly voted for GW Bush just because Bush claimed to be 'born again'. Those are the magic words to getting total support from right wing Christians. That is all they care about. It doesn't matter how smart a person is, what they know, their experience or anything else. It's truly sad how easily right wing Christians are manipulated.

This is my 400th post! Yeah! Someday I'll reach that magic 1,000 where everyone else seems to be...
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:42 PM
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7. ..and a fine 400th it was.....
But take heart....all of those "born again" annoying gnats couldn't keep us down in 2008.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:27 PM
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12. Nixon said that for a Republican to win he must move right to get the nomination and back
to the center to win the final election.

(Democrats need to do something similar in reverse.)

Palin is now perfectly positioned to rile up the base, which in any case drives midterm elections.

After the GOP takes over Capitol Hill in 2010 Palin has tons of time till the 2012 election to move back to the center to win the presidency and all the fanatics will still remember that she's one of them even while she doesn't talk about it so much in 2012. So by starting now, in 2012 she gets the best of both ends of the GOP political spectrum - rightists and (relative) moderates.

All this includes fundamentalists, who power her juggernaut now - and will still be loyal even when she stops acting so extreme in 2012.






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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:36 PM
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14. 'After the GOP takes over Capitol Hill in 2010' bwahahahahaa
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:03 PM
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19. Enjoy your "bwahahahahaa," Spanone, the right is energized and we're not and this is a midterm

election that is always decided by the fanatics motivated to go to the polls out of proportion with their percent of the population.

Add to that electronic voting machine and server "foul ups" and your complacency won't feel too funny in the end.



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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:18 PM
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36. palin doesn't have the brains to move to the center.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:41 PM
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37. Re: "Conservative Christians would like Hitler..."
and the MSM would go right along and refer to him as a "controversial conservative" who just "wows 'em" at his rallies and has "star qualities".




"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on
which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection
to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today
Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our
culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the
recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the
press-in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past (few) years."

-- Adolph Hitler
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:39 PM
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44. OMG...He was an articulate Sarah Palin
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bondwooley Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:34 PM
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4. This was our video attempt to stop Palin:
Palin should be attacked from all angles ... with sanity, satire, common sense. Basically anything legal.

This was our attempt at using political humor in hopes of opening some eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOegic3FcNA

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:38 PM
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5. UNFORTUNATELY.... You're Making Too MUCH SENSE!! How Do WE
stop MSM, when WE can't even get our OWN Democrats to support US??

Yep, that is the cynicism that I'm feeling all the time now!!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:40 PM
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6. Everything about TPB behind her and others is based on the precept that Suckers deserve to be
Suckered and that suckering suckers is doing them a favor, because only by doing so do suckers become non-suckers.

It's called "Free Market" ideology, too bad more people don't understand that they are being suckered and too bad that they are crippled, not only by their own ignorance, but also by being taken advantage of and losing their rights as humans before they even really recognize what those rights are.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:44 PM
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8. Palin should have been stopped a year ago!!!! She is the most dangerous woman in the world. .
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:55 PM
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9. There's also the "low spin" angle to all this.


People have had such a low expectation of her till now that all she has to do is smooth out a few rough edges and the media will be drooling over her with statements like, "Welp, she didn't shoot a moose today... THAT means she IMPROVED! She's now a hero!" "Yep, Chuntley, Palin has come a long, long way!"


I see her as a movement and I think it needs to be stopped before it multiplies.















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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:47 PM
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16. The Moose lady is a fraud...popular to the Fundy Base..not much more
She ain/t shit...will cost the GOP bug time

she prolly is the GOP's throwaway candidate...expected to lose like McCane did...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:11 PM
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21. Don't believe it, Opi, the GOP isn't looking for a throw away. Many want PAYBACK and smell blood.

And they think the moose killer can get it for them.

All she has to do is smooth out the edges a bit and the media will be all "Golly shucks! She hasn't shot any wolves lately! She's really improved!"






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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:20 PM
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23. I am extremely sorry to disagree...the facts indicate she ain/t got what it takes...not for the Oval
she don't

She would get killed in a real debate with Mongo of Rock Ridge...LOL

NO BEEF SYNDROME...hokey pokey not gonna work this time like it did for Bushie Boy....
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:10 AM
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25. Let me put it this way, Opi. There are more economic bubbles waiting to burst.
What if there's a second dip to the recession?

People will go nuts and blame it on the Democrats.

They will blame Obama.

They will be ripe for any demagogue's silly arguments.

"The second recession was caused by Obama's spending! Socialism doesn't work!"


If there is a second recession, and there are many concerns that there could be, all reasoned arguments go right out the window. People will be thinking with their gut, not their head, and the "cheater with the heater" will look mighty hot at about that time. Incidentally, when Reagan became president he called someone about working in his administration. He was told that the guy he was calling wasn't available at the moment because he was out hunting. On the spot Reagan gave him the job. Think about it. Some people know how to shoot and some people just know how to talk, plead, beg etc. ---That's already Palin's mantra. Just take away the average American's money in a second recession and blammo! Palin looks mighty good.

She needs to be stopped.


By the way. In the modern, relatively intellectual Democratic state of California, the state elected a man governor because they thought he was a "Terminator." Reagan the actor also came from California. If even California could vote for such people, it could be you're being too complacent.














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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:58 AM
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34. and vice versa...the " if " can also go the other way...suppose the economy improves even better
and the DOW reaches 14,000.....or close....

and suppose even more wrong doing by the fam val GOP crowd emerges ...further eroding $trength and Creds....what then?

Obama is playing the POSITIVE CARD.....the GOP cannot follow because of their Negative Mode chosen a long time ago and is locked into its use.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 05:53 AM
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59. Nice points, Opi, but do you really believe victory comes from positive thinking seminars?


The GOP are masters of negative attacks and it's gotten them a lot. Without that they would have died out ages ago. We just went through a year of trashing healthcare with NO JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER yet they've had the country in paranoid hysterics for months. Now the Democratic Party's favorability ratings are lower than ever. Negative attacks aren't the way, are counterproductive, etc. etc. BUT THEY WORK. Why didn't Kerry win? Because he got swiftboated.







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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 09:10 AM
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62. The Shift is in Flux...from Neg to Pos as I Type...started 3 years ago
MANY INDICATORS tell us the gop is fading....The results of Obamaism are in its incipient stage...but, over time....sceptics will see the results and become Obama BELIEVERS and supportors
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:58 PM
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18. Breadandwine, I wish I could disagree with you,
but I've been warning people here about Sarah since August 2008. She IS fun to laugh at, but I am in total agreement that she is very, very dangerous. I remember over a year ago an anonymous state employee here remarking that Sarah is the most dangerous person he has ever met, and the people she has thrown under the bus here are legion.

Yes, she's a fraud, but her people love her -- and it's obvious that no rumor, or even proven facts, can bring those folks to their senses. It's hard to counteract someone with her overwhelming sense of specialness. She truly does think that she's been chosen by God, you know.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:39 PM
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24. Thanks, Blue_In_AK. For the entire 08 election the GOP couldn't figure out how to answer Obama's
"hope and change" message. They couldn't get a piece of it.

Now Palin is unleashed from the McCain handlers and she cuts Obama with a single snotty sentence:



"How's that hopey changey thing workin' for ya?"



Behind the smile she's a vicious, castrating little stiletto who knows how to cut an adversary down to size.

She knows how to slip the knife in with a smile.




And you're exactly right. She knows how to throw people under the bus.

She has to be stopped.





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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:10 AM
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26. I call her the Whore of Babble-On
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 12:14 AM by Blue_In_AK
She babbled on here in Alaska in the early 2000s and convinced good people in this state that she was a straight shooter, that she would be honest and ethical, that we could hold her accountable as governor, and that she would clean up the very corrupt, oil-soaked atmosphere that Frank Murkowski had created. I didn't vote for her, of course, but she was very convincing. After she was elected, she was more popular here with Democrats and Independents than she was with the old-line Republicans because she championed new ethics laws and a restructuring of the oil tax system. These were actually things that the Democratic legislators wanted, but she was able to take credit when the bills passed. She just came on all refreshing and bipartisan, like she really wanted to clean house, and so people liked her. I wanted to see her do well. We all knew she was a "Christian," but she really didn't try to cram that down people's throats.

When I sat down to watch the Republican convention, I had hopes that she would represent our state well, that she would project that same bipartisan and cooperative image that she had been cultivating so carefully in Alaska. We were ALL shocked at what we saw and heard. I had to turn her off I was so angry. I felt betrayed and used. I wondered if they had brainwashed her, or if she had really been this way all along, playing the citizens of Alaska for fools, using us as her steppingstones. She betrayed Alaska's trust, pure and simple.

Since that time, she has become unrecognizable to most of us here. It was only after her nomination that people here began to talk openly of the scandals in her life. If she hadn't accepted the nomination and behaved so badly, as she continues to do, she probably could have slid right through two terms as governor, kept her secrets to herself, and gone on to other things. But she is so filled with pride and hubris that she believes she is "called" to deliver some sort of message from God. She is a dominionist, and she speaks the code language that drives those people. We see it at all her rallies.

With her charisma, she could have chosen to bring people together, but she took the darker path. Perhaps she made a pact with the Devil. She will be whoever she needs to be to get the things she wants. She is being no more honest with the teabaggers than she was with the citizens of Alaska. SHE IS USING THEM. It's what she does.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:25 AM
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27. Blue_In_AK, up-thread I called her the "Cheater with the Heater."

Hers is a family of whores and gun nuts.

And I think that there are Americans who will think she's HOT.


If, as you suggest, she's even using the teabaggers, that underscores my concerns. It implies that she is opportunistic enough to use the far right to get the GOP nomination but won't mind moving back to the center in the final election to win the presidency.



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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:53 PM
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47. Put me on record as saying the same. She's dangerous and has very good political instincts
She may be an idiot on the issues but she knows how to rile a crowd and raise money. She learned very, very fast imho on the McCain campaign trail and is further honing her skills.

For those in her "base" who currently think she's too "inexperienced" now, well in 2 more years she'll have 2 more years of "international" experience being some kind of unofficial ambassador to the issues since she cut herself loose from the provincial backwaters of AK politics (her interpretation as I read it) to focus on the big national scene, the big pic.....

In this day and age, that's more than enough. With Citizens United unleashed, Big Oil, the NRA, the Christianist Right Wing thug groups, etc. etc. will prop her up for 2012.

I've said she's very, very dangerous from the start too. She has the media already propping her up, there's big money behind her already.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:06 AM
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28. You may want to rethink this post...
When the freepers post that "Obama must be stopped" People on DU call the secret service. You see what I'm saying?
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:15 AM
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29. Then let me clarify, Walldude. I mean that Palin must be stopped POLITICALLY.




Got that?






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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:21 AM
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30. Yeah I understood what you meant.. but that's not how your post reads
but whatever...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:49 AM
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31. Then perhaps you should improve your reading skills, Walldude. And brush up on the Constitution.

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:51 AM
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32. Frankly, Walldude, it sounds like you're trying to shut me up.



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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:48 PM
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39. LMAO.. you're kidding right?
Just trying to keep you out of trouble, but don't let that stop you. I'm sure I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that SARAH PALIN MUST BE STOPPED could be taken as a call to violence.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:45 AM
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33. Incidentally, Walldude, if this thread bothers you, I suggest you get some comparative perspective

by checking out post #6 on this thread ---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x453938



You don't see me speaking that way.





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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:46 PM
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38. What?
Look all I did was say that some people might take your calling for Palin to be STOPPED as a call for violence. You didn't see it that way so I said fine whatever. It's your ass on the line not mine, you can phrase stuff however you want. Now you think I'm attacking you? I was trying to help you. But again, whatever.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:02 AM
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35. Palin's only function is to ensure people vote for the D--that is the one to watch
the TPB know that people will recoil in horror from the totally unqualified joke known as Palin, so they can run whomever they want for the Democrat. Since it is likely Obama will be the D candidate in 2012, the D candidate to be wary of is the one in 2016.

Even in 2012, if people are grumbling and apathetic about Obama for whatever reasons, having Palin as his opponent "ensures" that they will run in horror to vote for him, whereas with some other more reasonable, sane R candidate (as "reasonable" and "sane" as a repuke can be, which is not very), they might not care so much.
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katanalori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:37 PM
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40. Best hope is that the REPUBLICANS
will take her out in the Primaries. If she wins the nomination, your theories could well come to pass. Yes, it is terrifying.

Palin, aka "the dingbat from Alaska," has MANY skeletons in her closet.
I am referring to illegal activities as well as her ethics.
This is a GREAT site for those who may be unaware of just how manipulative, dangerous and idiotic she is. See the many "gates" on right side of site.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/

She is a LIAR, a FRAUD, and a CROOK.
In "Game Change," it was noted that (members of the campaign) called her "mentally unstable."
I think that is an understatement
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Spyderama Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:54 PM
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41. Why She's Dangerous
Wow, Breadandwine, my man! After nearly two years, I have finally discovered someone who takes this threat seriously! I assume that anyone reading this post is familiar with The Immoral Minority and Palingates. Here are a couple of my posts on this subject from a while back.

http://floydmorr.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-shes-dangerous.html

http://www.e-tabitha.com/2009/12/assholiness-validation.html
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 10:17 AM
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66. Welcome to DU Spyderama! nt
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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:31 PM
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42. You can beat Sarah Palin - with the FACTS
Hi,

this is Patrick from the blog Palingates (http://palingates.blogspot.com). Thank you very much for this important post. I couldn't agree more.

Sarah Palin WILL RUN in 2012 - and I think that there is a very good chance that she will get nominated.

This is the situation that we all have to deal with, and we better start to prepare NOW!

Sarah Palin can be beaten - with the facts. She has a closet full of skeletons. She lies on a regular basis. In fact, it's actually quite rare that she ever says anything which comes close to the truth. She is vindictive, which is proven. She is a shameless grifter. There are a whole string of personal and political scandals attached to her. These scandals are partly already out in the open, but the sad fact is that the MSM takes very little notice.

We also have to deal with the fact Palin has surrounded herself in a clever way with highly paid consultants and secretly paid bloggers. Palingates managed to reveal that the founders of conservatives4palin, Rebecca Mansour and Joseph Russo, are secretly paid by SarahPAC, while apparently writing Sarah's facebook messages. But this is only the tip of the iceberg.

C4P has become a major attack machine and aggressively tries to smear every journalist who publishes critical comments about Palin. We should not underestimate how effective that is.

We already revealed a number of major lies on Palingates, but one of the biggest lies is the one that almost nobody wants to believe: Sarah Palin has faked her pregnancy with Trig. This is not a conspiracy theory. We know from our contacts from Alaska for a long time already with absolute certainty that the pregnancy was faked. For this reason, we know that we can write about this subject with impunity - and that's exactly what we have done, on many occasions. I have even publicly asked Sarah Palin's lawyer Thomas Van Flein to sue us. The truth is that Thomas Van Flein has NEVER contacted ANY of the "Trig Truthers", for good reason. This story is not liked by many, as they feel it's "tinfoil hat territory", but it's in fact one of Sarah Palin's greatest weaknesses.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/babygate

However, if you don't like it, pick your choice - just a tiny, tiny selection:

- Sarah Palin, fiscal conservative? When Sarah Palin became mayor of Wasilla in 1996, the long-term debt of the city was a bit more over $ 1 Mio. When she left in 2002, it was more than $ 20 Mio
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/03/sarah-palin-fiscal-conservative.html

- Sarah Palin committed property tax fraud and got away with it, but reprimanded others who didn't pay property taxes correctly
http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/property%20taxgate

- Troopergate, the mother of all scandals. Sarah and Todd Palin presented themselves as vindictive liars. When the legislature stated in the final Branchflower report that Sarah Palin "abused her power", Sarah then herself claimed that the legislature concluded that she had not acted unethically.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/troopergate

Download the Branchflower report: http://www.box.net/shared/s24j2j85qu

- Ask Steve Schmidt! He went on the record saying that "Going Rogue" is "not 70%, but 100% fiction"!
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/02/steve-schmidt-sarah-palins-book-going.html

- One of the many, many, many lies in "Going Rogue" - the proof is on video!
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/pinocchio-palin-does-it-again-another.html

Thanks for listening.
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WhoDoYouTrust Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:32 PM
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43. This is a bump from one of your lurkers, Patrick!
I love palingates!!!

:kick:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:42 PM
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45. Patrick!
I just posted a link about your NOW-Palin connection a little bit ago. I'm also a Palingates lurker. Love your blog. :hi:
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Spyderama Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:47 PM
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46. We must expose Babygate!
I am sure you recognize me, too, Patrick! Babygate is the deepest proof of the fraud that SP has been since the beginning.
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fubarsnafu Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 08:11 PM
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48. I agree....
...with breadandwine. Palin was somewhat entertaining early on, in a Circus kind of way. But not anymore. I believe BIG MONEY is what's pushing her so hard right now - and therefore we should work harder to expose her. Who else does the GOP have? And you have to admit, who'd MAKE A BETTER PUPPET than her.(think Dubya) Now with the SC ruling, I believe we'll witness a FLUSH OF CASH propping her up for 2012.

All her followers, PALINBOTS, Evangelicals and Tea Baggers are being blinded by the SPIN. They LOVE THIS woman. Afterall, she's like them: uneducated and (portrayed as) a "grassroots" kind of person. Truthfully, it feels like we're in another universe when we witness our very own President being forced to answer to a question about Sarah Palin on national TV. (Fuck you George...BOYCOTT)

One of many stories Patrick above failed to mention above is the recent scandal involving Current NOW President, Terry O’Neill. Everything is pointing to her being bought and Paid For By SarahPAC.(many more details there) In fact, this story was CROSS POSTED at FireDogLake....when low and behold! FDL pulled it saying they were contacted with an "accusation of defamation". (O'Neill) It was also cross-posted by Alaska Dispatch and also by Phil Munger from Progressive Alaska:

http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/04/saradise-found-chapter-31-palins-pac.html

As a side note, Munger has defended PGates in the comments of his post on Progressive Alaska. He has not BACKED DOWN.

So FIREDOGLAKE must have been threatened OR something. By O'Neill? Dunno, but it obviously hit a nerve somewhere.

This to me is THE CURRENT BIG story on Palin.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/04/shelly-mandell-did-she-or-did-she-not.html

How many Women in this country, who have always supported NOW, would like hearing the ruse discovered here?? It's truly a tangled web they've weaved...and all with N.O.W. donations and SarahPac.
(Just go read how DEEP it goes!!)
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/04/shelly-mandell-did-she-or-did-she-not.html

So in closing, I ALSO think we've got big problems down the road with PALIN. She IS NOT GOING AWAY - and in fact has growing support. We need to fight even harder getting HER scandals out there, like what PalinGates lists. Get them OUT THERE FRONT AND CENTER - or we might just lose our last hope of Democracy in this country. President Palin??? STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED in this country.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 08:50 PM
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49. I know Phil Munger.
He is not a "back down" kind of guy, which is why I like him so much. :)
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fubarsnafu Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:06 PM
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51. Agree
He was so nice when all this came down with FireDogLake. He came to the site explained the whole situation and expressed his support of Gates. Now that's our kind of Journalist!

Hope you've read the N.O.W. revelations and help to get the story out. Granted, is it as big as PALIN'S other scandals? Maybe, maybe not - but it sure adds to LYING PALIN WAYS.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:14 PM
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53. Yes, I did post a link to this story earlier today
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 09:14 PM by Blue_In_AK
here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8132545 . It caught my eye because I remembered how disappointed I was at NOW's support and defense of Sarah during the campaign. I had been a member for years (although not really a participating member, particularly) but this was a deal-breaker for me. When you consider that money changed hands between SarahPAC and these NOW officials, it all makes a lot more sense.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:34 PM
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57. Unless someone with facts comes forward, babygate is going nowhere....
How long have these babygate blogs been trying to prove she faked a pregnancy? 2 years.

And so far nothing.

They swear they know, and swear they have facts but never provide anything except for opinions on her behavior. Not one has come forward with a witness, or a medical record or anything except for their own suspicions.

Some of the babygate blogs have even given up.

Without a verifiable fact the MSM will not touch it. And they would eat this story up if there was any kind of evidence at all that could prove it.


She is dangerous, she is gaining steam every day. It makes me ill that people are falling for it.
I wish this story were true because it would take her down once and for all, but frankly there is no proof in the pudding. And Palin doesn't seem scared of this story at all.

I hope the other stories will be enough, but it will take the MSM to spread them wide enough. Palin blogs on both sides don't reach a wide enough audience to have much affect at this point.



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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 12:17 PM
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69. None of Palin's pregnancy claims can be verified. Not one.
There is not a single aspect of Sarah Palin's alleged pregnancy with Trig that can be independently, objectively verified or corroborated as having happened. Her claims about the pregnancy constantly contain contradictions, and at best would indicate reckless endangerment of her unborn child.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:37 AM
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76. I can believe reckless endangerment, and her doctor verified it.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 06:37 AM
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60. Patrick, thanks for all those links. I haven't gone through them all. Here's a question I have had.


There seems to be overwhelming evidence that Palin's baby Trig is NOT her baby and it's really Bristol's. First, Palin's water breaks, supposedly. Then she goes ahead and gives her speech anyway. In Texas. There are lots of excellent hospitals in Texas, it's a big, rich state. But no. Palin gets on a plane. The plane has stopovers. In the US. She could have gotten off and gone to a hospital along the way. But no. She continues on from the continental US to Alaska, flying over Canadian territory (or maybe west of it, not sure the exact trajectory). That means that during the last leg of the flight if the plane were forced to land she would have had to have the baby in Canada. Regardless of the quality of healthcare there who feels comfortable having a baby in a foreign country where you don't know the bureaucracy etc.? Then she lands in Fairbanks, Alaska I think it was, with an excellent big hospital there. But no, she and Todd get in their car and drive something like 40 minutes to an out-of-the-way hospital near Wasilla, where she has close ties and connections with the staff and has the baby there. It all sounds like she was never really pregnant and Bristol was there having the baby with staff who had connections with Sarah and therefore could be relied on to keep their mouths shut. This was a baby already known to have medical complications and traveling 9 hours after the water breaks has huge infection risks and so forth. When asked why they went through all that instead of having the baby in Texas, Todd says, "Can't have a fish picker from Texas." That's it????? That's why they endangered Sarah and the baby and all the rest of it? And Bristol looked pregnant during that period and after the baby was born she was seen repeatedly holding the baby herself. (See pic here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin )

So it seems overwhelmingly evident that it's Bristol's baby.

But I still have some questions.

Firstly, did Bristol want to have an abortion? Did Sarah make a deal with her that she would have the baby but that in return Sarah would accept it as her own?

Additionally, something like 7 months later (am I right about that?) Bristol has another baby, out of wedlock. Something is wrong here. If Bristol really had the baby 7 months later, she was not pregnant with Trig at the time Trig was born. So something is fishy. (I could simply be wrong about the 7 months but I seem to recall she had the baby only 7 months after Trig was born).

Nevertheless, all evidence suggests Trig really IS Bristol's baby. (I particularly enjoy that line from the Palin spoof where a Palin impersonator tells Bristol to "Go breast feed your brother!" - hilarious - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGC40_AWhs )

So what's with the second child who seems to have been conceived when Bristol was still pregnant with Trig? IS THE SECOND CHILD ADOPTED????? Did Sarah make a deal with Bristol that in return for not having an abortion of a child with Down Syndrome that Sarah would take the baby as her own AND get Bristol an adopted replacement for the handicapped child Bristol didn't want to get stuck raising for 20 years?

Am I in error about the timing on this? Do you have any info on this or theories?






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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 10:04 AM
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63. breadandwine: Thanks for the reply...
Edited on Mon Apr-12-10 10:39 AM by patrickpalingates
...and the questions.

Let me first say in response to another commenter that no babygate blog has given up because the blogger believed that babygate is not true. Audrey from Palindeception was pressured into giving up by right-wing smear merchant Stacy McCain, after he had discovered her identity, and Bree from "Bree Palin" gave up because she had a new job and needed to go back into her "real life". It is very unfortunate that Bree decided to delete her blog, but the now inactive Palindeception is still online.

"Babygate", Sarah Palin's faked pregnancy with Trig, is very complex, and vital parts are still well hidden. However, enough information is available to firmly establish that babygate is true and not a "conspiracy theory".

Ok, let me make a list of some of the most important facts surrounding babygate.

1. First of all: Trig was NOT born on April 18, 2008, but much earlier. I know that it's one of the biggest problems to establish the birth date for Trig. Bristol Palin was absolutely "invisible" from October 2007 to April 2008. No pictures, no appearances, no emails, no travel, absolutely nothing. There is a dispute whether Bristol attended the "Go Red For Women" luncheon in Fairbanks on February 15, 2008. Despite huge efforts to get pictures from this event, including contacting the organizers directly, no pictures could ever be found (in fact, all efforts were "stone walled"). Many people believe that Trig was already born in January 2008. One thing is crystal clear in any case: It was not on April, 18, 2008.

2. From now in in relatively random order: Sarah Palin walking ("hiking") with high-heels in the snow in late February 2008, drinking coffee, looking not pregnant whatsoever - high-resolution video:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-thread.html

3. It's medically impossible that Sarah Palin's wild ride on April 17, 2008 could have happened:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/03/sarah-palins-wild-ride-child.html
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/sarah-palin-cant-grasp-concepts-of-high.html
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/sarah-palin-flying-driving-lying.html
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/11/great-lie-sarah-palins-own-account.html

4. When Sarah Palin was pregnant with Piper in 2000/2001 , she actually looked pregnant - and VERY post-partum as well:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/02/hiking-with-sarah-palin-in-juneau-video.html

5. Sarah Palin never showed the birth certificate of Trig or any medical documentation relating to the birth to ANYONE - not to the McCain campaign, not to journalists, not even to the State of Alaska which was for forced to ask for it (the outcome of this enquiry is unknown).
http://www.crivellawest.net/pdf/1397.pdf
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/sarah-palins-pregnancy-andrew-sullivan.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/proof-please.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html

6. Pictures and a previously unknown video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsuOWRL_Ios) prove that Bristol Palin, a sporty outdoor girl, gained a huge amount of weight between June 2007 and September/October 2007 - including a significant change of her "chest":
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/02/3000-pages-of-emails-from-sarah-palins.html

7. "Every" celebrity looked more pregnant than Sarah Palin:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/01/everybody-and-her-daughter-looks-more.html
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/msnbc-reports-about-sarah-palins-bus.html

8. The ONLY evidence for her pregnancy was a picture taken on April 13, 2008, which popped up out of the blue on August 31 on flickr, 2008 and shows Palin with a large belly. Pictures taken just several days before, however, show Palin with no belly whatsoever. (In the meantime this pictures has been DELETED on flickr where it was originally posted.)
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/10/palinbots-have-finally-proven-that.html

9. Footage taken by Israeli filmmaker Elan Frank on April 8 and April 9, 2008 show Sarah Palin with NO BELLY WHATSOEVER.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/10/babygate-video-of-sarah-palin-that.html

10. ADN Columnist Michael Carey said on TV in September 2008 that a lawyer from Alaska who he knows very well and who is a "very smart guy" said to him that the faked pregnancy was "the absolute truth": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA-M2NfFAjU&feature=player_embedded

11. Levi Johnston's lawyer Rex Butler refused to go on the record regarding the question who Trig's mother is, saying in September 2009 off-the-record to a journalist that he "doesn't know for a fact" that Sarah Palin has given birth to Trig.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/09/levi-johnston-lori-tipton-and-their.html

12. Don't expect any revealing reporting by the print media in Alaska - they are heavily dependent on state contracts, as Palingates revealed:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/09/sarah-palin-and-adn-by-patrick.html

13. A member of the leadership of the Republican Party said in a private conversation in January 2008 as a FACT that Bristol Palin is pregnant. In addition, Lyda Green, former President of the AK State Senate confirmed to me in a phone conversation in August 2009 that she heard the rumor that Bristol Palin was pregnant already in December 2007 in Juneau (AK's state capitol).
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/09/sarah-palins-babygate-by-patrick.html

Uff...and that's by far not everything.

Did I say babygate is complex?

By the way: All the investigations also NEVER brought any kind of evidence to light which could prove that Palin WAS actually pregnant with Trig.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 04:15 PM
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70. WOW, Patrick, thanks for the clarification!



That really explains it. So Bristol is a serial unwed mother, had Trig earlier than everyone thought was the date Trig was born. It sounds as if Sarah wanted to deal with all this in two separate steps for maximum subterfuge and cover-up:

First, deal with Bristol giving birth in secrecy and out of the way.

Second, STAGE the birth as if it was SARAH'S child but at a later date so that Sarah could concentrate on that staging and not have to simultaneously deal with the birth of Trig and all possible medical or whatever complications. She didn't want to be distracted by her daughter giving birth and all ramifications of that when she "OFFICIALLY" had the baby.

First the hush-hush. THEN the staging of the fake alternate story.

What a Machiavellian scheme!

"Oh, what a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive!"







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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 08:22 PM
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71. You are right, breadandwine, it's truly Machiavellian...
...and deception has been a major "force" in Sarah Palin's life for many, many years.

There are even more scandals, but I still hope that people will start to understand babygate, because this scandal will be enough to stop her politically. And we only publish what we CAN PROVE. Therefore, I am careful.

Well, two books are currently written about her, by Geoffrey Dunn and Joe McGinniss, and these people have a lot of scandals to pick from.

And Sarah Palin's former hatchet-man Frank Bailey is still going to publish his book as well!

There is hope, but we have to fight, and it's not an easy fight. Nobody should underestimate the Palinbots.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:25 AM
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74. Patrick, the idea that Palin both suppressed and RESTAGED Trig's birth in TWO SEPARATE STAGES
gave me the CREEPS.

There was a movie in 1962 (didn't see it) called "Satan In High Heels." Sounds like that's a perfect description of Sarah Palin. Sounds like she will do anything, GO TO ANY LENGTHS beyond ANY SOCIETAL NORMS to get what she wants NO MATTER WHAT. And that's scary. It's like prehistory and she joined the Velociraptor Club. No civilization at all. Back to the age of the barbarians. Any normal person would have said, okay, my daughter had a baby out of wedlock, it's not MY baby, it's HERS, I'll issue a statement expressing sadness and humility over this personal family tragedy, the public will be forgiving and I'll move on. At any point she could have slowed down and withdrawn from the public eye some "to spend more time with her family," which any normal politician would have done even if only for political reasons. But obviously not Sarah Palin. Instead, what a convoluted, labyrinthine charade she went through over a baby that wasn't even hers. No personal self-examination EVER. Just a total steamroller leaving her prey behind as road kill without ever looking in the rear view mirror as she floors the gas peddle. What a ruthless, bloodthirsty - COLD-blooded - plotting PREDATOR. Anybody who would concoct all this, and revolving around their own daughter, ice wouldn't melt in their mouth.

I'm reminded of an old poem about the frozen wilderness of the Yukon, depicting its desperation and removal from civilization (which might be an interesting comment on some areas of the Alaska "frontier" too, with its oil "gold rush"):

There are strange things done 'neath the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.
The arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold
The northern lights have seen queer sights but the queerest they ever did see
Was the night on the barge of Lake LeMarge
I cremated Sam McGee!

As quoted in the book "Hey! I'm Alive!" an autobiographical account by Helen Klaben, a Yukon plane crash survivor. A couple more poems quoted in that book:

Look at my eyes! Been snow-blind twice.
Look where my foot's half gone!
And that gruesome scar on my left cheek where the frost-fiend bit to the bone.

This is the law of the Yukon, that only the strong shall thrive.
That all of the weak shall perish, and only the fit survive.
Dissolute, damned and despairful, crippled and palsied and slain,
This is the WILL of the Yukon
Lo how she makes it plain!



I think there is something about the land of the midnight sun up in Alaska that is truly FRIGID

and its name is:

Palin.



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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #74
83. Patrick, I have another question for you, and a possible answer of my own.
Given all the evidence that Palin was not the mother of Trig, and that Bristol did not even have the baby that day, why did Sarah decide to "officially" have the baby on the day she was all the way off in Texas of all places, so that she had to fly many hours to get back to Alaska?

I can think of only one good explanation and it's extremely logical, I think.

IF PALIN GOES TO TEXAS SHE GETS ALL THE ALASKA MEDIA CHASING AFTER HER ON THE PHOTO OP WHICH GETS THEM OUT OF THE STATE. They're all out of Alaska mostly, which makes it much easier to slip Trig into the small local hospital while Sarah's away and stage the cover-up without scrutiny. I think the whole point of officially having the baby on the day Sarah was on a trip to Texas was precisely so that there wouldn't be much media locally while the scam was arranged back in Alaska. Again, Sarah has very close ties to that local hospital, she has been intimately involved with that hospital and they are all dependent on her.

I think she chose to stage the birth on the day of her Texas visit precisely as a media diversionary tactic.

Sarah Barracuda indeed.

What do you think?


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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:35 AM
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75. No real proof of your theory has been produced...ever. No witness, no medical record, nothing...
Palin has provided a(one) picture of her pregnant self and a statement by her doctor.

I know you don't believe it but it is evidence, a statement by a doctor who examined Palin holds much more weight than your what-ifs.

You have provided no real evidence, just coincidence, suspicions and opinion.

Its been two years and you've still got nothing regarding babygate that resembles anything like proof.

That is reason the MSM will not pick it up. It may be a slam dunk for your mind, but the rest of the public who require actual proof and not just "what it may look like" are not going to subscribe to this until you produce a witness or a medical record that proves she did not birth that baby. All the other stuff is just circumstantial and it won't hold water.


If you want to continue on this road, then you better be pursuing a witness or a medical record, because short of those two things, you will be on this dead end road for the rest of your life.


Sorry to be harsh, but its the truth.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:00 PM
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78. Cags, the moon is made of Worcestershire sauce. Sorry to be harsh, but its the truth.

I have a single picture that proves it.

It's a photo of a bottle of Worcestershire sauce.

Again, sorry to be harsh, but the truth is the truth....




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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:13 PM
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79. Lol... No one wants it to be true more than I do... But they just don't have the proof.
Palin has a respected doctor backing her up, a real live baby, hospital photos of the baby and the grandparents, reporters who were at the hospital who interviewed Bristol and took photos on the day of birth. And obviously his birth was covered by insurance given the new emails that have surfaced asking for his birth certificate within 30 days of birth for continued coverage.

You mean to tell me no one in the hospital that day thought anything suspicious, with non-patients running the halls with reporters snapping photos? No one at the insurance company suspected fraud?


Palin has about as much evidence that the baby is hers as the Palin blogs have that she isn't.

I am willing to believe that she risked the life of Trig on purpose and hoped he would die with her reckless behavior, but the rest of the speculation is just that, speculation.

Now if they could trot out a hospital worker, family member or even a co worker willing to go on the record, or a stolen medical file, or Trigs real parents ready to spill, I will buy it, but what they are trying to sell it with now is just not enough.

The burden is on the accuser to prove it, not Palin. All she has to do is simply ignore them, she doesn't have to provide a thing especially when the public isn't buying it either.

I am just being realistic here. Sure there is enough there to make it look fishy, but not enough to the nail the coffin shut.

All the Palin blogs say they have "sources" that know what really happened. Well they better get on them to come clean then if they want anything to come of this. The trail is cold, and unless someone who really does know comes forward and publicly its going to stay that way.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:32 AM
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82. Cags, I'm WHELMED! Under-wised.

Given the VOLUMINOUS evidence that Bristol was pregnant at the time, that Sarah wasn't and all the other evidence, what part of "Sarah is lying" do you not understand?

The doctors and staff at that hospital all have close ties to Sarah who has played a major role there. And all those claims you make about all those people are speculation on your part. They were all giving interviews that you personally read? When Sarah went there, you are saying they couldn't pick up Trig along the way and bring her to the hospital through a side entrance and then fool the media? The mainstream media are TOTAL SUCKERS who will believe ANYTHING that came out of a press release and at the time Sarah was riding high in the state and everybody towed her line. Part of the reason they went to a small hospital near Wasilla is that that way they could pick up Bristol's baby and coordinate things out of the Wasilla house.

NOBODY who has seen pictures of Sarah during that period believes she looked pregnant. AND BRISTOL DID. Why did Bristol disappear during all that time afterward?

Are you one of those people who say that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? And that he shot his unusable Manlicher-Carcano rifle from three different locations simultaneously? Re-aiming flawlessly in only 6 seconds?

You know, if I draw a large enough circle around New York City and a large enough circle around Los Angeles they will overlap. THAT'S called MARGIN OF ERROR. THAT means that two people who got shot in NY and LA at the same time were shot by the same gunman. Sorry to be so harsh but the facts are the facts.

You obviously have an agenda here. Why are you trying to protect Sarah Palin? They long called her Sarah "Barracuda." I suppose you can't imagine why.










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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:29 AM
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85. Protect Palin? OMG! I would push her off the stage myself if given the chance... but a question...
Has what the Palin bloggers come up with so far worked at all? No
Does the public believe it? No
Is she still a danger to this country? Yes

They've been going over the same material for 2 years and nothing has come of it. Except she gets to play the poor me picked on victim card.

All I'm doing is calling it like I see it. They have to do much more, and get much more than what they have to prove this.

They absolutely must bring forward a witness, or a medical record for this specific story to grow legs.

Just because something looks fishy doesn't mean you can prove it. Yes there are a lot of wierd questions surrounding the birth of Trig. Palin is wierd, her kids are wierd, her husband is wierd, everything about her life is wierd. Palin is obviously not going to answer any of those questions, and she doesn't have to.

It is up to the bloggers to prove it, so far with what they have they haven't done it. I told them what they need to do it.



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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:13 PM
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87. You're changing the subject, Cags. First you said it was that there's no hard evidence.
Now you've changed your tune to "has what the Palin bloggers come up with so far worked at all?"

This is not about whether it works or not. This is about the TRUTH. Got it? Everyone knows there is a delay between what is on the net and what goes from the net to the mainstream media. In the Bible the prophets were always speaking the truth "though they stone you with stones" and getting arrested and thrown into a pit. But they kept pounding away. If people didn't do that nothing would ever come out. How long did it take you to learn to speak English well? Or do you merely talk English good? It takes a person years to learn to speak well. You don't see mothers telling their kids, "I've decided to stop sending you to school because you're seven years old and you still can't speak well. It's obviously not working."

By the way, hate to quote Nixon, may he rot, but he once said, "When you have said something so many times you are ready to puke, that is the first time people will hear you."

You seem to have latched on to deficiency of stamina. This is odd since you certainly have the stamina to keep saying on this thread that we should all forget the whole thing.



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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 10:16 AM
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65. Welcome to DU Patrick! nt
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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 08:56 PM
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50. Thank you all...
....for the kind responses. I do know that for many readers it will be difficult to believe that scandals like "babygate" can be true, but we are used to that. It's our job as bloggers to convince people, and it's hard work.

Here are more scandals:

3.000 pages of published emails of Sarah's administration prove that Todd Palin acted as "shadow governor", although he had no official function:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/02/3000-pages-of-emails-from-sarah-palins.html

Andrea Friedman, family guy DS-actress addresses Sarah personally - and Sarah never bothers to give a response, because criticism is the one thing Palin cannot handle at all:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/02/actress-from-family-guy-sets-record.html

Sarah Palin's best friend Kristan Cole organizes the take-over of the state owned Matanuska Maid Creamery after having been instructed by Palin. Kristan Cole then authorizes an illegal "Christams pillage" in December 2007 - stripping the old Matanuska Maid of assets worth several hundred thousands dollars, before the Creamery was officially auctioned. We published exclusively the email that proved this huge scandal. Unfortunately, almost nobody in Alaska seems to care.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/Dairygate

Kristan Cole again: She is the trustee of Sarah Palin's "Alaska Fund Trust", her "Legal Defense Fund" - for which C4P did a huge fundraising effort in early 2009. Unfortunately, the legal defense fund is just a "slush fund" for the Palin family. No reasons for withdrawals need to be given. An ethic complaint proved at first sight that the Fund is most likely unethical. The report was leaked in July 2009. The outcome of this ethic complaint is not known, as it was never published. In AK, there is no legal obligation to publish the results of an ethic complaint - it can be resolved in secret.

Also, Kristan Cole was obliged to present the first report of the Alaska Fund Trust in July 2009. Until today, no report has been published. And guess what? Nobody in Alaska seems to care - as usual.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/legal%20fund

That should be enough for today ;-)



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fubarsnafu Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:08 PM
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52. Thank you PATRICK!
I think it's great you weighed in on this post. Gates (you, Regina and Kathleen) work hard at EXPOSING SARAH PALIN - so much so, it can't be IGNORED FOREVER.

Thanks again...best wishes.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:18 PM
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54. She's a moron who winks, says stupid things, and knows nothing about the world.
She has no chance of doing anything. How she became Governor of Alaska scares me.

What amazes me is that anybody likes her. She's all histrionics, and bad acting at that.

She probably has the least chance out of any Republican contender. She won't even make it out of the Primaries (or might not even make it there in the first place). Fred Thompson probably has a better chance than her, and look at him. :toast:
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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Never underestimate...
...Palin and the Palinbots. They will use every dirty trick in the book to get her nominated.

By the way, I forgot to mention that Sarah Palin has firmly hooked up with the Neocons. Not just Randy Scheunemann (which is already on the public record), but also Billy Kristol. Sarah is the perfect target for them - she is obsessed with the military, eager to bomb the next country to pieces. They love it!
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 07:10 AM
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61. The glazed-over-eyed Palin bots are a vocal minority.
I would give Palin a chance if everybody weren't laughing at her. Every time she opens her mouth, she looks even more stupid. I credit her with derailing McCain's campaign (much to our benefit).

She's only feeding off the fact that the Republican Party was imploded by Bush. It has been well established, however, that she is in fact a moron who doesn't even know who the founding fathers were. The fact that she quit a year and a half in ruins any chance she had of making it anywhere. She's a world class whiner, and has too many skeletons that could be unearthed.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:34 PM
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56. She is playing to her audience,
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 10:39 PM by Blue_In_AK
like she always does. Histrionics is effective with the type of crowds she's choosing to work now. Her followers love her evangelical zeal and her fearlessness. She can say any kind of thing she wants to, she can lie right to their faces, and they just suck it up. They LOVE her.

You wonder how she became governor of Alaska? She played to her audience, just as she's doing now. Alaskans were not like the evangelical crowd, so she played us differently. She knew we were sick to death of the oily corruption under the Murkowski administration, so she came in pledging to clean up the mess, to give us open and transparent government, to get our fair share of money out of the oil companies at a time when they were making such huge profits. She sponsored ethics acts!

She played the part of a nonpartisan straightshooter right up until the time John McCain showed up. Of course, NOW it comes out about all the stuff that was going on behind the scenes, but she was so skillful at controlling the media that most of us didn't suspect any kind of weirdness going on. She was indeed very popular, and people were behind her public efforts.

That person we've been seeing ever since the RNC convention in 2008 who calls herself Sarah Palin is not the same person who was governor of Alaska. I'm not sure either one of them is the real Sarah Palin. That's what's so scary about her. With the divisiveness she's stirring up, I have to wonder what her true motives are, and the motives of the people who are funding her and keeping her in the media. They can't be good.

She used Alaskans, and she's using the teabaggers. Who is using her? I'm sure HER answer would be God himself! But I'm afraid it might be the other guy :evilfrown: or at least his minions.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:16 AM
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88. Chrisa, Palin's a moron who says stupid things and knows nothing about the world???

Wow. She sounds like another loser like Bush or Reagan.......





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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 11:00 PM
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58. I'm telling you dah'link, never underestimate the power of a 'broadcast' makeup artist...
;) I can't wait for Palin to be pulled out under the klieg lights and made to answer probative 3-D Q's in a national campaign (no sound bites so get fucking busy Sarah for reals) and Backmann too for that matter but hey Sarah! While you're at it, clean up that winky-stank-wink of your's cause it's a failure of the 1st order even a blue-green algae distributor can see coming a mile away
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patrickpalingates Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 10:08 AM
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64. Sorry, I am not so familiar with the commenting system here...
...my last post "No 63" should have been posted at the end - I should have replied to the original message.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 11:46 AM
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67. Just reading about another presidential candidate, "Alfalfa" Bill Murry, who ran against Roosevelt
Edited on Mon Apr-12-10 12:06 PM by DeschutesRiver
in a book called "The Worst Hard Times" by Timothy Eagen. Covers a ton of politicial events both before, during and after the Dust Bowl. Some of it reads just like problems of today - land and home speculation/fraud, wailing about illegal immigrants taking jobs, stock market crashes, evil bankers, stupid people trashing the environment like lemmings in search of profit, one group of "people who think they are special cause God said so" killing and stealing everything from the natives and anyone else who got in their way, defrauding each other to earn a living, Congressional corruption. Besides making my skin crawl, and inciting my fury, it made me wonder about how cavalier I've been regarding the dumb fuck known as Sarah Palin. I wanted to hit somebody as I read it, but figured I'd blow off steam by sharing some quotes/paraphrasing a bit of what I read.

Willam Murray was a Democrat who ran for Governor of Oklahoma on a populist platform with the motto of "The Three C's - Corporations, Carpetbaggers and Coons". Yeah, you got that last one right. Won by a huge margin, too. He believed OK would be a great state "if only blacks could be kept separated from whites" and forced to do jobs in factories or on farms since that is their only use in white society, ie they "must be fenced from society like quarantined hogs." Didn't think much of jews either.

At their constitutional convention, he told the crowd "I appreciate the old darkie who comes to me talking softly in that humble spirit which should characterize their actions and dealings with the white man." During his 4 years as governor, he declared martial law 34 times, including for such "scary" things like the Emancipation Day parade that the localblacks tried to hold in Oklahoma City.

Teddy Roosevelt had made him remove the segregationist planks of the constitution, and his grudge against the Roosevelts grew so large that he decided to run against FDR for president in 1932. This time his campaign promised the now starving, stupid masses the "Four Bs - Bread, Butter, Bacon and Beans," a message that struck home to people who had just done one of the dumbest stunts on the planet, ie "hey, let's overpopulate a marginal area, remove ALL the native grasses, tear up the sod to plant wheat to rake in a fortune due to price supports, and then when the droughts/lack of demand come, let's PLANT MORE! Cause we are in debt up to our eyeballs, and that must mean that things have to start turning back our way!".

He was just a brief mention in the book, but I am looking up a bit more on him now. It appears that he was not nearly as low IQ as Sarah Palin (who is?), but can you imagine if he'd won the democratic primary, instead of FDR? Esp. making promises to gullible, frightened, starving people who were in the depths of some very scary times. Fear, both the real and the irrational kind, makes people do wierd things. Imagine Bill Murray, democrat and President and segregationist, doing what he believed was right, in place of all that FDR did. I don't even want to imagine it, but the bad times that almost produced that result make me reflect on where we could be headed. I have no answers.

The more I see current events, the more I read historical events, and in turn, the more I realize how many times we as a nation dodged a bullet. I'd read a ton of this before, but I was a child then, and read it with the mind of the inexperienced human. It is a whole different deal to re-read stuff like this as an older person, given what I am seeing outside my window now.

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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 11:53 AM
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68. Forgot to include a link re Murray and the oddest thing happened
The following link is written by someone else whose wife was also reading the same book I mention. And noted something I forgot to say, which is that the wiki site doesn't include some of this info re Murray and his racist platform (which you can find everywhere else online).

Anyway, the link includes larger portions of the book than I was able to paraphrase:

http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/02/10/hatred-racism-the-1st-governor-of-oklahoma-wikipedia-and-approved-textbook-history/
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 08:53 PM
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72.  I find that she is simply over exposed..
and highly over rated, as well as her 'base' is a minority and has always been a minority; it is the M$M that portrays the illusion that the nuts are a majority.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 09:29 PM
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73. I made it to about 3:00. Ugh! She had a big welcome, but
not much response after that. Seems like most of those folks didn't know what she was talking about.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:44 AM
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77. She's stopping herself. Only end-timers, militia tin-foilers, and
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:44 AM by izzybeans
horny old men support her now. She's talking herself out of any serious political consideration now or at any time in the future.
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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:17 PM
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80. Yikes! With that headline, you didn't even need a link!
:rofl:
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:50 AM
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84. LOL. Okay, Mother Smuckers, here's another headline for you.

FLASH BULLETIN! SARAH PALIN MISTAKEN FOR CAT WHOSE TAIL GOT STUCK IN AN ELECTRIC SOCKET!


RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:54 PM
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86. HAHAHA....I love it. Sometimes we use "like a pig stuck under the gate"
:D
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:42 PM
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81. Agreed: Two words - Republic and Gilead nt
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