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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:49 PM
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Newsweek: The return of hate
Antigovernment extremists are on the rise—and on the march.

Stewart Rhodes does not seem like an extremist. He is a graduate of Yale Law School and a former U.S. Army paratrooper and congressional staffer. He is not at all secretive. In February he was sitting at a table at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at a fancy downtown hotel in Washington, handing out fliers and selling T shirts for his organization, the Oath Keepers. Rhodes says he has 6,000 dues-paying members, active and retired police and military, who promise never to take orders to disarm U.S. citizens or herd them into concentration camps. Rhodes told a NEWSWEEK reporter, "We're not a militia." Oath Keepers do not run around the woods on the weekend shooting weapons or threatening the violent overthrow of the government. Their oath is to uphold the Constitution and defend the American people from dictatorship.

But by conjuring up the specter of revolution—or counterrevolution—is Rhodes adding to the threat of real violence? Oath Keepers are "a particularly worrisome example of the 'patriot' revival," according to Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which monitors hate speech and extremist organizations. "Patriot" groups—described by the SPLC as outfits "that see the federal government as part of a plot to impose 'one-world government' on liberty-loving Americans"—are "roaring back" after years out of the limelight, according to Potok. Notorious in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, the patriot groups seemed to fade away under the shadow of 9/11, but hard times and the nation's first African-American president seem to have brought about a revival—from 149 groups in 2008 to 512 (127 of them militias) in 2009, according to the SPLC.

It is easy to exaggerate the numbers of these groups or the threat they pose, especially if you are an organization, like the SPLC, dedicated to exposing such things. Extremist outfits have come and gone over the years. With their preening and prancing about in Nazi garb or white robes, skinheads and white supremacists are often more about showing off than committing acts of violence. Law-enforcement experts worry more about "lone wolves," disturbed loners with military training, like Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, than they do about loudmouth militia groups. But the feds and local authorities will be watching closely on April 19, when the Oath Keepers mark their first anniversary and join a Second Amendment March on Washington to celebrate the right to bear arms. The Oath Keepers say they are commemorating the first shots of the Revolutionary War fired at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775, but April 19 is also the anniversary of the end of the FBI siege at Waco, Texas, in 1993, as well as the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

This is a season, or perhaps an era, when politics seem more intense than usual, and the domestic extremist threat seems more real. Partisan disputes are rarely pretty, but lately they have taken a particularly ugly, menacing turn. Last week the FBI arrested individuals for making death threats against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Patty Murray of Washington for their votes on health-care reform. A series of expletive-strewn voice-mail messages left for Senator Murray were particularly creepy: "You're gonna have a target on your back for the rest of your life," the caller warned. "How long do you think you can hide?"

More: http://www.newsweek.com/id/236202
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:51 PM
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1. Just a matter of time
It's a sad reality.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:59 PM
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2. In a way...I do hope they "TRY" something
Maybe then they can be exposed as the nutjobs they are.
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:01 PM
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3. I gather the rightwing doesn't believe in 'majority rules.' n/t
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:05 PM
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4. citizens are supposed to be a check on govt.
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 02:06 PM by paulsby
that's how it works. as long as the oathkeepers obey the law, or even if they engage in civil disobedience (a la war protesters) they are doing what the constitution and our system of govt intended.

if the oathkeepers start threatening congress members, etc. or engaging in violence, then i will condemn them.

but people banding together to act as a check against govt. excesses is not a bad thing, regardless of what side of the spectrum they reside.

the majority of congress passed the AUMF. does that mean that people shouldn't have protested?


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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:08 PM
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5. You had an election. Obama won.
Kinda over until the next election, however much some groups might protest.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:13 PM
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7. amazing. you sound EXACTLY like freepers did after bush 'won'
it never ceases to amaze me the similarities between people on both sides of the spectrum when protecting their side

the constitution was DESIGNED to protect minority rights. people whose ideological counterparts are not in power are not supposed to sit quietly by.

i respect people who (w.o violence) advocate for their causes and enter the public debate.

dissent is patriotic.

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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:16 PM
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9. No I don't.
:rofl:

I sound like a Canadian who doesn't understand the constant urge to protest clear election results. It's not like you'll never have another chance to change things after all. Americans vote more often on more things than probably any country on earth.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:20 PM
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11. the oathkeepers are not
to my knowledge, protesting election results.

iow, they are not saying obama wasn't fairly elected.

they are advocating for what they see as constitutional principles

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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:25 PM
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12. And all these protests have led to violence,
and will continue to do so because there are always those who conveniently forget the election results. The whole thing has become an industry to 'change' those results, while of course in public they condemn the very violence they're trying to churn up.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:44 PM
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13. that's rubbish
"all these protests" have not led to violence

there has been some violence.

god knows i've seen violence at all sort s of protests. i was on the line at WTO and N30 for example

i'm not sure how that's relevant to what i was referring to

the oathkeepers are not advocating violence

they are not saying obama was not validly elected
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:48 PM
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15. Your own headlines announce the violence.
The threats against congress people have increased 3-fold, the arrests of people threatening violence have increased, the arrests of people with enough weapons to take out a small country have increased, and sooner or later someone is going to get shot.

Then everyone will say how did it come to this?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:53 PM
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16. i'm aware of that
and i am saying i have seen no evidence that it's related to the oathkeepers.

and fwiw, politicians getting shot is not a NEW occurrence.

it hasn't happened in a long time, but need i mention harvey milk or reagan?
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:17 PM
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17. I wasn't talking about them in particular,
they're just one of many groups that have made a whole cottage industry out of it. Some are violent, some are not, but someone always makes money and gains fame out of it.

I know American politicians getting shot isn't a new thing, that's why I wonder why people support these things. The voting booth is supposed to be the ultimate decision-maker.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:22 PM
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18. but our system of govt. is supposed to also protect
minorities and minority rights.

just because one side wins, doesn't mean the other side gets shut out of public debate

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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:27 PM
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20. So does ours.
And if anybody thinks their rights are being violated, it goes to court.

Debate is one thing, organized groups denouncing and even advocating attacks on the politicians for being elected is quite another.

If people don't like what the politicians are doing, they vote them out.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:37 PM
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21. i agree
and like i said, i have seen no evidence the oathkeepers is advocating violence

i'm a LEO

if i was told to violate people's constitutional rights, i would refuse fwiw

that's the oath they are taking
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:53 PM
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23. Everybody needs a hobby I guess.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:11 PM
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6. Beck and Failin need to go on the cover of that issue.



And they need to be sure and leave room for the rest of the RW Media Hatemongers like
OxyRush, Hannity, O'Lielly, Coultergeist and all the others of the same mindset.


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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:16 PM
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8. I really feel bad for the President.
He's a good guy, and the son of a bitches hate him because he's black. The ugly racists are out ratcheting up the hate, threatening this country and the leaders. Barack Obama has got to be made of steel to look them in the eye and tell them that they're not going to stop this country from moving forward.

I've started confronting every veiled threat I come across, online and in daily life. I ask them just what they are planning. It usually shuts them up, and I hope makes them think that they are not as anonymous as they think they are. I've had it!!
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:18 PM
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10. It wasn't "the shadow of 9/11" that made them fade away...
it was having "their side" in power. These groups only ever spring up when the Democrats are in power.

It is a very, very, very bad thing for democracy when, of two sides, only one of them acknowledges the other side's right to govern when they win elections.

We have a serious problem here, and all the "post partisanship" and "reaching out" and calls for civility in the world won't address the problem of one "side" simply refusing to honor the legitimate rights of the other side. Of one side insisting that the other side must be eliminated, rather than just be "opposed."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:46 PM
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14. Recognizes their right to govern? We didn't even get seated twice in a row.
I can only imagine how big a landslide Obama really got that they let him be inaugurated.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:23 PM
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19. The ironic thing is, if President Palin or Jeb asked them to put Lib'ruls in "relocation camps"
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 03:24 PM by tom_paine
they'd fall over themselves to put those Enemies of the State away.

You know it, I know it, the ghosts of the Nazi Stormtroopers know it.

These Oath Keepers so remind me of 1930s Germans vowing "never to put REAL Germans" in concentration camps.

Nobody said nothin' about Lib'ruls & Jews, who aren't "Real Germans" anyway.

Ladies and gentlemen: I give you The New Brownshirts.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:46 PM
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22. A Steaming Pile of Tripe...
...just more veiled threats toward an enemy that doesn't exist.

This guy is a clown, Yale education notwithstanding.

Where was he when the Bushies were treating the Constitution like toilet paper? <Crickets>

IOKIYAR...
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