on FB a friend of friend posted this against unions and teachers

[Sebass1271]

my friend was asking her friends to call our governors office (Charly crist) and opposed the veto of bill 7189 who will be devasting for our florida teachers and this guy posted his comments as follows:

"They should pass a bill with no raises for a few years. Save some money. Lol! Paying them more will not improve their educations either. No evidence.

Tell me, in Florida do they get all those cushy pensions and summer vacations too? Do they also get paid to sit in rubber rooms to do nothing because their unions protect them? Here in NYC, people get paid over $100k a year to do nothing. You think this is right? Tell us why?"

Teachers should be paid based on experience and merit. That should make the difference when they hire you; and the year that they better themselves their salaries should be increased because you're giving them the benefit of the doubt. But after those docked increases, they ... See Moreneed to see some results otherwise why should they keep getting raises??? It works this way in the private sector. Why resist what's fair? Grades shouldn't be the sole reason, but should be a factor.

________________________

obviously you can tell they guy is a righty.. Down with unions, blame the unions!!
I want to have a counterpunch to this teabagger... but a good one!! help duers!!

[LisaM]

1. Show him this article about Finland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/world_news_america/8601207.stm

Reading at home, parental involvement are key. And their teachers are among the highest paid in the world.

[Sebass1271]

2. thank you!! do you know where NY stands in education

compare to Florida? he is complaining about NY teachers too!!

[LisaM]

3. I don't.....

I'm sure there's some smart person here who would know.

[Sebass1271]

15. i showed him the article and said other things and he

flipped!! he sent me to move to finland and/or NY!! lol!!

"If Finland is so great, how come we don't see people moving there??? Another thing I don't get is people escaped NY and other states and moved to Florida because it was better down there. Now you want to bring that poisoned mentality that occupies the majority of voters in NY. Such a joke! If you like big beauracracies so much, move back to NY! So simple. Ny is a mess! No matter how much money they collect on taxes and how much they spend it's never getting any better!!! We need more vouchers for private schools and more charter schools. Fair and simple. Stop big unions!!! We're all paying for it in the end!!!" Reply to this email to comment on this status"""



desperation of the righties!!!.. i'll tell ya!!

[mzteris]

18. well duh - Finland - snow and ice; FL - sun and surf.

Besides - who speaks FINNISH anyways?!?

:rofl:


edit 'cause I thought I might could be funny...

[Sebass1271]

21. good one!! lol!!

[mzteris]

24. thank you. thank you very much. . .

show at 11!

:silly:

[CLANG]

20. "If Finland is so great, how come we don't see people moving there???"

Maybe because the Finns are too educated to want to have us?

[tonysam]

16. What happens in Finland doesn't mean ANYTHING

because there is a worldwide movement of privatization of public services, including education. It will eventually hit Finland as well.

The privatizers/neoliberals control both political parties and have the person they want in the White House to carry on privatization of public education. It's happening at an astonishing speed.

[Sebass1271]

22. i agree.. but this teabagger is all over the place today..

here is his latest ignorance.

"I went to st. Anastasia, a very poor working class school with very low paid less qualified teachers than NYC public schools. But I tell you I got the best education from those teachers. I am a CPA and an attorney, but my most difficult school years were my elementary school years. We had discipline, tough teachers and nuns. When I look at my alumni, I can say we have a respectable bunch very well mannered and well behaved. Not super rich or successful but mostly pretty good. And my neighbors went to public school living next door to me at a school which I was afraid to attend to. They gradueated MBA from Harvard and all from NYU undergrad. So it worked for them too. Why in such bad times we have people volunteering to piss away other people's money making excuses for kids because not everyone is teachable the same way? Look at obama, he's very well educated. So why then are we still crying that we're neglecting our schools. Why can't people as citizens act up and take responsibility and pay atentiom to their kids. I know Henry and Vanessa already are wonderful parents... We don't need all this hype. In Italy they spend so much on schools. They're all doctors, and phd's. Even the garbage man. Yet they all have either no jobs or they work for 2,000 a month. That is my evidence to people looking at Finland and listen to Oprah. "

lol!!

[MissMarple]

26. Where is my red pen when I need it?

:crazy:

[onethatcares]

4. the way SB6 and the House Bill read.

Florida teachers will not get extra for any additional degrees. They will be graded on the scores of their students. Which is a dumb bass idea because alot of the public school kids just don't have the home role model that they show on the Huxtables. Sadly,they return to the streets where violence is king and learning is put on the back burner. Way back.

This is a blatant(but many don't see it)attack on the public school system. They've been defunding the public schools since the lottery was supposed to supplement the general funds available but then the lottery became the funding with general funds being sent to the schools haphazardly. Meanwhile the growth of vouchers and homeschooling is bringing us kids with no discussion methods, and no insight to other ideas.

The union is just an afterthought to this. Jebbush started the downhill slide, and the repubs here have never seen a tax break or chunk of money they didn't think the wealthy could not use better than the less affluent.

Peace.

If I'm wrong, hopefully Madfloridian will come along and correct me.

[LisaM]

5. Check this out too - the for profit charter schools are just burning money

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8137599

[onethatcares]

6. right, burning money with no accountability.

kinda like the gop credit cards, but the thing is, IT'S OUR MONEY THEY'RE TAKING.

[mzteris]

17. All Charter schools are non-profit. Appx 550 are MANAGED

by a "for profit" organizations . . . as are some traditional public schools.

[boobooday]

7. Nobody will want to teach in districts that have the neediest kids

It is an attack on the public school system, and an attack on poor kids.

[mzteris]

19. that's why some of the neediest districts

are having to open Charter schools to get people to teach there.

[Maat]

25. Being a bit bigoted, don't you think?

I've homeschooled my daughter for four years now, and I'll stack her insight and ability to participate in an intelligent discussion against any other kid her age.

You know what happens when you assume.

[Florida Blue]

8. The person appears semi-illiterate

His spelling certainly wasn't learned from a Florida teacher.

[abelenkpe]

9. This crap keeps popping up all over the place

Ask him what he thinks a teacher should make. Should they make enough to live on and raise a family in the neighborhood they work in? How can anyone expect the best and brightest to stay in any field that won't afford them to do that?

It's not just teachers either, those making arguments against teachers also want to bust up the unions for police and fire too. They rant on about how they also make too much money. Honestly this stuff is bitter. Some private sector workers are losing work, hours and benefits and their solution? Make sure public sector employees suffer the same. They argue that their taxes will be reduced by not having to pay the pensions of public sector employees. However, by lowering wages and cutting benefits to public sector employees they would be ensuring that taxes will go have to go up. With even fewer people able to make ends meet, more local businesses will go out of business, states will collect even less in taxes and cash strapped local governments will be forced to raise taxes. So it's really cutting off one's nose to spite their face.

Some argue that we should privatize everything. What good will that do? The state will still collect taxes to pay for fire, police and school, but then hand your money over to a private business instead. So it doesn't eliminate taxes. It shifts money into the hands of private business who's number one job is to make a profit. Number two will be educating your children, putting out your house fire and policing your neighborhood.

Sounds like a great plan, right?

[abelenkpe]

10. I should add

that these pension plans everyone is up in arms about. Yes, I understand they are underfunded and in danger of going bust. Why is that? Who was in charge of investing the money for these pensions? Instead of attacking the workers why is no one looking at the reason for said pensions being in such danger? Was there fraud involving pension managers or the firms that advised or they invested with? That is who we should be going after. Not the little guy, not the worker.

This attack on unions and teachers and such hooks in the dull witted who are easily angered by the idea of someone doing better than them or not suffering as much as them. But it is a distraction and keeps us from asking the right questions.

[cap]

13. let me add as well

Who, pray tell, is always in favor of deregulation? Who didn't want to regulate anybody? We had 8 years of no regulation and ruined pension systems are the fruit.

[cap]

12. He wants to go back to the days when women earned pin money in the school system

If you decrease the wages, people will leave the profession... just that simple. Really bright people will get out especially since this goes along with union busting. No one will want to work in that profession

[Hubert Flottz]

11. "unions protect them"

It's too bad those 29 miners who died in AT Massey's non union mine in West Virginia didn't have the union protecting them. They could have come forward with the information that the mine was unsafe and the union would have protected their jobs. As it stood though, they worked at a non union mine and were afraid that if they spoke up, they'd be terminated by the company.

[Bluebear]

14. +++++

[Mojeoux]

23. Unions = Americans Working n/t