Did I hear Tancredo say a threat to Israel is a threat to America?

[Robson]

Bull shit.

That's the kind of philosophy that has got this country into its current predicament. A threat to Israel is a threat to Israel.

[Ian David]

1. Our current predicament has nothing to do with Israel. We did this all to ourselves.

Nice attempt to scapegoat the Jews and avoid taking responsibility for ourselves.

Welcome to DU!

[Robson]

2. Who elected the USA as policeman of the world?

I must have missed the vote where the USA was elected as enforcer of world order and defender of countries such as Israel and others that have their own aggressive policies. I thought that the purpose of the UN was to identify and define aggressor nations.

[rockymountaindem]

3. Your reply had nothing to do with Ian's post

I'll restate his point: the US is in this Iraq thing because of decisions made supposedly in the US' best interest. Israel wasn't involved.

[Ian David]

5. In fact, Israel was AGAINST the Iraq war. And Jews are more opposed to the war than any demographic.

[yurbud]

10. AIPAC and Israel pretty closely parallel our political predicament here--the war-mongers call shots

even though majority don't agree with them.

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[KAZ]

13. And your reply had nothing to do with the OP. Same with Ian's.

The question remains.

[Ian David]

4. Exactly. We got ourselves into this. Nice try blaming the Jews, though. n/t

[yurbud]

11. there is a legitimate debate about how much sensitivity to Israel affected our decision to go to war

I lean toward thinking it was a secondary factor at best, but it is not anti-semitic or anything of the sort to examine the question, anymore than it would be to ask if Britain pressured us into World War I or II.

[Jacobin]

9. who said anything about 'Jews'?

I thought he was talking about the policies of the state of Israel, controlled now by the right wing, as we are controlled by the neocons.

And are we to believe that 'they hate us for our freedoms' and not 'they are pissed about the Palestinians?

[KAZ]

14. The second shift. n/t

n/t

[Jacobin]

7. All prez candidates say that or they're doomed

Not that there's anything right with that

[yurbud]

8. It's too bad there aint much daylight between the parties on that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. From an IMPERIAL POLICY he is right

look at a map.

That piece of land is STRATEGICALLY IMPORTANT and this has been known oh since Ramses II

Now that does not mean Isarel, any client state in that piece of land, and its failure poses a threat to the Empire in charge

Does not matter if this is the Egyptians, the Assirians, Rome, the Otoman Empire, England or the US.

But we are in this predicament becasue we are a DECLINING EMPIRE.

Now I am sure you didn't expect me to agree with the asshole, but stopped clocks are right twice a day and he was talking from the POV of an Empire... and an Empire we are