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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:34 AM
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VIDEO:: Sarah Palin's Speech To Woman Of Joy Reveals CHURCH-STATE SEPARATION DENIER
Sarah Palin's Speech To ' Woman Of Joy ' Reveals CHURCH-STATE SEPARATION DENIER, Adherent Of Radical ' PRAYER WARRIORS '.



Steve Benen draws our attention to a speech given by Sarah Palin last Friday in Kentucky to an evangelical women's group called Women of Joy, one in which she appears to deny the existence of church-state separation:


" I beg you, Women of Joy, to bring light and be involved, loving America and praying for her. Really, it is our solemn duty. Praying for true spiritual awakening to overcome deterioration. That is where God wants us to be. Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state, our Founding Fathers, they were believers. And George Washington, he saw faith in God as basic to life."


As Greg Sargent observes, this is historical nonsense; many of the Founders were practicing Deists who ardently believed in separating religion from the conduct of secular politics:

" There was a time when this sort of thing would provoke widespread media mockery and perhaps even be seen as a potential disqualifier for the presidency."


What was perhaps most noteworthy -- and disturbing -- about Palin's speech, though, was how she publicly called out and thanked the "Prayer Warriors" who were out there on her side


Thanks largely to the reportage of Max Blumenthal, we've known for some time that Palin was religiously affiliated with the "Prayer Warriors,"

<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/the-witch-hunter-anoints_b_128805.html>



but this is perhaps her first open public acknowledgment of it.

Who are the "Prayer Warriors." Funny you should ask that: Bill Berkowitz explored that question for AlterNet:



"Imagine a religious movement that makes geographic maps of where demons reside and claims among its adherents the Republican Party's most recent vice presidential nominee and whose leaders have presided over prayer sessions (one aimed at putting the kibosh on health-care reform) with a host of leading GOP figures.

It's a movement whose followers played a significant role in the battle over Proposition 8, California's anti-same-sex marriage initiative, and Uganda's infamous proposed Anti-Homosexuality Law, more commonly associated with the Family, a religious network of elites drawn from the ranks of business and government throughout the world. But the movement we're imagining encompasses the humble and the elite alike, supporting a network of "prayer warriors” in all 50 states, within the ranks of the U.S. military, and at the far reaches of the globe -- all guided by an entire genre of books, texts, videos and other media.

Imagine that, and you've just dreamed up the New Apostolic Reformation, the largest religious movement you've never heard of.

NAR's videos, according to researcher Rachel Tabachnick, "demonstrate the taking control of communities and nations through large networks of 'prayer warriors' whose spiritual warfare is used to expel and destroy the demons that cause societal ills. Once the territorial demons, witches, and generational curses are removed, the 'born-again' Christians in the videos take control of society."

The movement's notion of "spiritual warfare" has spread from the California suburbs to an East-Coast inner city, and has impacted policy decisions in the developing world. Movement operatives are well-connected enough to have testified before Congress and to have received millions of dollars in government abstinence-only sex-education grants, and bizarre enough to maintain that in its prototype communities, the movement has healed AIDS, purified polluted streams and even grown huge vegetables. Leaders in the NAR movement refer to themselves as "apostles."



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http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/video-sarah-palins-speech-women-joy






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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:44 AM
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1. Thanks for making us aware of the prayer warriors
I need to start researching their money trail which I think will be revealing.
And very fascist and corporate in its composition.

They sound really creepy
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:52 AM
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2. Your welcome. I think of them as fanatical and dangerous.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:20 PM
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10. Well if you are going to do that...
Expect to be dealing with convolution. Pick up Jeff Sharet's book, "The Family" to get a glimpse into how the money path works. There's no centralized dole or fund, but rather Family members give each other suggestions as to whom may be needing funds for what and then the funds appear. Until you have a definitive social network map it will be nearly impossible to unravel the funding.

Please share what you find, I'm very interested in this.

-Hoot
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:56 AM
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3. Kick and REC unreccing trolls out in force today...
:kick:

one of my good friends (a conservative independent) Became incensed at the news of this vapid (no book learnin') re-writer of the intent of the founders...
We then spent the afternoon joking about Just What brand of Christianity should be the "national Church". the conclusion became any other than what Sarah is.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 10:39 AM
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4. Women of Joy invite Woman of Hate and Division to speak?
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 AM
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5. Your observation is bang on & would be quickly dismissed as PALIN bashing. There are greater forces
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 11:06 AM by Segami
at work here that needs to be addressed.


excerpt from Bill Berkowitz article:


"The movement made early inroads in Alaska through an ICA apostle named Mary Glazier, who claims that a 24-year-old Palin joined her spiritual warfare network. These communication networks allow apostles to disseminate new prophecy to their "prayer warriors." During the presidential election this included prophecies about Palin, including one in which Glazier described a vision that Palin would take the "mantle" of leadership after a period of national mourning, apparently following John McCain's demise.


BB: How is the New Apostolic Reformation movement structured, and how has it grown so rapidly?


RT: Church growth is the key concept. Other Christian dominionist movements propose austere biblical law but Wagner explained in his 2008 book that he believes rapid growth of the movement will allow Christians to take dominion inside a democratic framework.

Wagner, who will be 80 this year, was a professor of church growth for 30 years at Fuller Theological Seminary, and promoted explosive mega-church growth. He has mainstreamed the concept of cell church structures, a strategy which began in Asia and South America and has resulted in congregations of tens of thousands. Cell churches are organized like a pyramid marketing scheme with small groups, usually with no more than 12, tasked with spinning off new cell groups and growing the church. This also resembles a military structure: Each cell group has a leader and lower level leaders answer to and are accountable to their superiors, on up the chain.

Such "spiritual accountability" schemes used to be called shepherding, but because of bad press and reports of coercive and abusive practices, it has been rebranded as "discipling." Lay people in cell groups perform many of the functions that would normally be carried out by pastors, and pastors become like corporate CEOs. This is how many of today's megachurches function. In his role as a church growth specialist, Wagner was able to repackage radical shepherding and cell structures as mainstream concepts for church growth.



-----Enterprises known as "kingdom businesses" play an important role: A Toronto apostle's ministry includes an oil and gas company; two ICA apostles head Markets Unlocked, a business matchmaking system that connects kingdom business customers and suppliers, and claims exclusive agreements for over a half billion dollars of products and services. Trained intercessors are now paid to pray for businesses, and ICA apostles work closely with the International Christian Chamber of Commerce.


<http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/bill_berkowitz/28030/the_new_apostolic_reformation>
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:15 AM
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6. Very interesting.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 12:08 PM
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7. Progressive Alaska also writes of the Prayer Warriors
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 12:10 PM
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8. Are 'Women of Joy' something like 'comfort women?' n/t

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:36 PM
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9. Katherine Harris Was in Sarah Palin's Spiritual Warfare Network - Article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/katherine-harris-was-in-s_b_140164.html
or printer version http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/katherine-harris-was-in-s_b_140164.html?view=print

Katherine Harris became notorious for her role in the U.S. 2000 presidential election when Harris, then Florida's Secretary of State, ordered the Florida election vote recount shut down amidst numerous charges of election fraud and irregularity and with Al Gore trailing George W. Bush by only several hundred votes in the contest for Florida's electoral votes which ultimately went to George W. Bush and so determined the outcome of the 2000 presidential election.


A recording of an October 3, 2006 conference call http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E35HqtI1YvY {link to YouTube video with 3:26 segment from call} between Katherine Harris, then Florida U.S. Congressional Representative, and Florida evangelist Ken Malone {transcript of call http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/11/2/111721/078 }, reported on in a November 4th, 2006 Tampa Tribune story because of remarks Harris made during the call which some took as anti-Jewish, indicates that Katherine Harris was then active in the same national Spiritual Warfare network which Sarah Palin has been associated with and may still be a member of.

Mounting evidence suggests John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin is deeply involved with a global religious movement bent on imposing theocracies around the world and whose top leader, C. Peter Wagner, has decreed to his followers it is God's will that a forcible, massive transfer of wealth, from the 'godless' to members of his movement, take place - http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/11/1/14522/8804 .


A recently released 36 page report (online http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98 / PDF http://www.talk2action.org.nyud.net/pages/docs/Transformation.pdf / highlights http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/31/115724/94 ) from an independent research team specializing Wagner's movement includes details on what appear to be virulently anti-Catholic http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/20/195730/89 and anti-Jewish http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/133445/54#martha_lucia_calls_knesset_mind_of_satan statements from, and activities carried out by, top leaders of C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation.


Sarah Palin joined the Wasilla prayer group of C. Peter Wagner apostle Mary Glazier in 1989, Glazier told Wagner and his top New Apostolic Reformation leaders on July 13, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kLreAmgGE

{below: Tube video with audio of Glazier's statement. Audio track of Glazier's statement begins 45 seconds into video}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kLreAmgGE


Much more at the link so please click through to read and watch:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/katherine-harris-was-in-s_b_140164.html
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:19 PM
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11. More articles on NAR
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:01 PM
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13. Thank you.
:applause:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:21 PM
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12. I'll say it again. If the "founding fathers" didn't want separation
of Church and state then why did they put it in the Constitution? Gimme a fucking break.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:32 PM
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14. According to Palin the Constitution is UnConstititional
Looks like she and others like her want to cherry pick the Constitution the way they do the bible - or why didn't Palin ban crab fishing before she quit her job as gov.???

And poor Bristol will have to be celibate for the rest of her life because women who marry and are not virgins must be dragged in front of their father's house and be stoned to death http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22&version=NIV

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:33 PM
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15. There are probably a few women there who wonder
when the truth changed to what they want it to be.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:49 PM
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16. Up next: Lest anyone try to convince you that Jesus wanted
us to help the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked or any of that other Socialist crap...
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:32 PM
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17. Republican Jesus
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