Steve Jobs Says buy Android Phone - 'moral responsibility' to keep porn off iphone

[tomm2thumbs]

Questioned over Apple's censorship of explicit content, Steve Jobs allegedly replied, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone," adding "Folks who want porn can buy and Android phone ."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/steve-jobs-reiterates-fol_n_544045.html

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I guess there is a new gatekeeper to determine what is or isn't porn now if you have an iPhone or iPad, and it's none other than Steve Jobs and his crew. Considering they have already banned (now unbanned some) political cartoons, they haven't exactly shown themselves to be a good judge of what should or shouldn't be part of one's free experience in 'the phone-age'.

they continue to ban a 'throw a shoe at George Bush's characture' app -
http://mashable.com/2009/02/05/bush-shoe-throwing/

I guess political discourse should be left to flash animation on the web. Oh wait, they have banned all flash animation from the iPhone and iPad as well. So much for discourse.

[tomm2thumbs]

1. yes the spelling was correct on his 'buy and Android phone'

[emulatorloo]

13. spelling error at HuffPo. Apple Derangement Syndrome

[tomm2thumbs]

24. the error was in his email, if that was what you were referring to

I just was just making a note as the (sic) notation that was in the original message vanished, probably because they were in brackets

[emulatorloo]

28. Thnks for the image - I stand corrected! But I still think obsessing over this as BREAKING OUTRAGE

doesn't make sense.

It is like Culvers saying go to KFC is you want that crazy chicken sandwich.

[tomm2thumbs]

38. I don't think the term 'moral responsibility' would set well with folks if this were Google either

Google has the ability to filter/unfilter certain searches, so I think there is a middle ground that could be attained if Apple wanted to.

But when Apple blocked the Pulitzer Prize winner's political cartoon app, it literally took a great outrage from the web to get that reversed - so who is going to throw their weight around for the little guy who submits something Apple finds objectionable politically - someone who doesn't have a Pulitzer to throw at the argument.

More than porn perhaps, the political gatekeeping that is reflected in that kind of stance is troubling. Limiting political content which can be downloaded as an app (while at the same time not allowing Flash animation in cartoons, etc) is in effect taking away tools for political discourse in my opinion. I can only express my opinion. They can obviously do as they please at this point.

As for Apple, I'm curious who decides what is considered 'objectionable' or 'porn'? (There are a lot of things that Google does in searches that I think need a second look as well.) I'm not attempting an outrage alert, but I do post things when I find them, and in a free market, we should call attention to items in products that we find ill-advised and let the market work it out.

As for a middle ground I wish Apple would take... I would like Apple to support at the very least the Flash-level they supported through Quicktime back in the day before they disabled it, or perhaps even allow Flash created up until this point in time, so that they aren't erasing years of important internet information, charts, learning tools, etc that have already been developed. They can advertise that they won't support future versions of Flash if they like without disabling current information which is a part of the internet. Again, just my opinion to put out there. They can certainly do what they please at this point.

[emulatorloo]

47. Thoughtful post, THANK YOU, I still read the situation a little differently.

Apple doesn't want to sell porn. In the same way that Barnes and Noble doesn't want to sell explicit porn DVDs, As a business Barnes and Noble is well within its rights to do that.

Your point about google is well taken.

As to the flash issue, this is analogous to when they dropped the floppy from the iMac. It was a technology that was on its way out. Flash is similar.

I expect that someone will create an application that will convert old flash projects to the HTML 5 protocol

Or maybe not -- I have developed some educational software that got left behind by technology . . . sadly that is the name of the game.

[tridim]

87. Flash isn't on its way out. Not even close.

Remember when Firewire was going to be the end of USB? How did that go?

[Touchdown]

91. Actually no. I don't remember ever hearing Firewire ending USB.

Got any archived press releases from Apple claiming such?

[emulatorloo]

93. Yeah, technology can be hard to predict. Remember when DIRECTOR was the end all/be all?

To me all that macromedia stuff seemed kind of kludgy. I admit I haven't worked with Flash for a few years. But it is not hard for me to believe that there are more efficient ways to deliver video.

[tridim]

95. Well first off Actionscript 3 is now a real, OO programming language

AS2 was certainly a kludge.

Flash isn't just about video, it never really was. It just happened to gain popularity and acceptance as YouTube matured.

IMO Apple made a monumental mistake with this move. I'll give them 6 months before they change their mind.

[emulatorloo]

97. Yes I always though video was the weakest part of Flash. vector stuff its strength

at least to me.

I really don't know how the Apple/Flash thing will go.

For example, I don't know enough about the iPhone You-tube app that comes bundled with iPad to know what they are doing there to make that video work.


(There probably is a personality component involved - Warnock and Jobs appear to despise each other, from everything I have seen).

ON EDIT: (thanks for the update on Actionscript 3)

[Touchdown]

75. Where is Steve Jobs' e-mail?

This one doesn't have his name on it. How do you know it's him?

[tomm2thumbs]

85. email

the image is from the Huffington Post's article which I quoted using their phrase 'allegedly replies' as unless Jobs wrote it sitting in front of me, it could have been sent from his computer by an assistant or anyone who had access to his account or could fake it. They do note the original email owner's name who is claiming the reply, and according to techcrunch, they 'checked the IP headers on the email and they are legit' but I still chose the 'allegedly' phrasing of Huffington Post - I'm sure they checked enough to feel comfortable noting the story with that caveat.

Actually my note about the misspelling was to clarify I was not attacking the spelling issue at all, just noting it was written that way in the original story & pic, and not a mistake of Huffington Post.

Apparently the subject itself was an issue that came up earlier
http://www.tipb.com/2010/04/20/steve-jobs-porn-android/

At least so you have some of the info - I think the HuffPo version is most appropriate in how it was presented.

[Touchdown]

89. No. I was't questioning HuffPo's article... just your conclusion

They said "allegedly". You claimed it was him without the qualifier. And that e-mail may be legit for the upper offices at Cupertino, but his e-mail almost always says "Steve @ apple .com"... and lately it says "Sent from my iPad"

He could have written it, but it may be one of his gatekeepers as well. I seriously doubt that, no matter what his personal POV regarding porn is concerned, he wouldn't be so sloppy as to say words like "moral obligation" in it, which is why I question the authenticity. Jobs has been around for a long time, and although I never met him, he does have some pretty predictable behaviors when he's corresponding to customers. He's not Donald Rumsfeld.

[tomm2thumbs]

99. I see

A qualifier was indeed in the original post, as the one and only line from the article specifically notes 'Steve Jobs allegedly replied'... and then the link to the article with all it's back-up, it's other 'reportedly'-caveats and source links. We are only allowed to quote so much from an article. I was calling attention to the article itself.

I also separated my opinions after with a line break and started out with 'I guess...' so as not to confuse my opinion with anything from the article. I noted the sic word/brackets disappeared when pasting into the original post, and the spelling from the article was correct. And then when someone thought it was a HuffPo error, I linked the original image at HuffPo to detail what they were quoting on the sic comment.

I apologize for not meeting your standards.

[Touchdown]

117. And it had the EXACT effect you wanted.

Maximum outrage over something Jobs may have said, while claiming deniability and using an excuse that the OP headline doesn't have enough room to include "allegedly", and buirying it in the body of your commentary.

You got exactly what you wanted from your OP, as evinced by the subsequent false outrage and appeals to emotion posts you've made in your thread.

[tomm2thumbs]

121. yawn

so sorry to have disappointed your expectations of how a story noted in the Washington Post, Wired, CNET, San Francisco Chronicle, Huffington Post should be posted. my most humblest apologies

[CBGLuthier]

2. And so we shall. Best advice from Jobs in years.

Deadbeat Dad setting moral standards for the world? I think not.

[zazen]

3. Kudos to Steve Jobs.

There's no inherent entitlement to men or women to a "free experience" of pornography, particularly to the majority of online porn, which includes a substantial percentage of underage and/or abused/coerced persons in its production.

iPhones and iPads are much more public and around and used by children. Parents simply couldn't keep track of all of the newly created "apps."

If people want to use legal pornography of consenting adults in the privacy of their home or other establishment, they are free to do so.

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. Apple = Nanny

Always has been, and until Jobs goes, always will be. I don't need a nanny to tell me what I can and cannot do with my electronic tools. I guess that's why I don't ever send money to Jobs.

[emulatorloo]

11. Apple Derangement Syndrome

There is plenty of iPod porno out there that will work on an iPhone.

[Cronus Protagonist]

19. Wait a while and we'll see if you can still get it

Maybe you should buy an iPad in anticipation of larger porn on a larger phone... then the second-generation "fix" and then, after you've bought both of them, the third generation might do what you want it to, or maybe it won't. With Apple, there's no telling how much cripple you get with the first two iterations of a product. lol

[emulatorloo]

21. Anybody can make an MP4

[Cronus Protagonist]

76. The facts indicate otherwise

However, don't let that get in the way. Most people can barely operate their computers and seldom do more than basic tasks using a web browser. Even Apple users, or especially Apple users.

[emulatorloo]

80. Sorry -- I will qualify: Any competent user can make an MP4

and that includes pornographers.

Jobs doesn't want to sell porn at his store.

Just like the ma and pop bookstore in my town doesn't want to sell porn.

[Statistical]

20. BS. I don't want jobs to be my Nanny any more than I want the govt to be my Nanny.

Porn is legal. Maybe you find that objectionable but current as of this minute it is legal. Apple has no responsibility to censor legal content. Period.

If the govt was censoring content that would be unacceptable. Jobs and his over inflated ego doesn't make it any better.
If content is illegal then they do but that is a whole different story.

Personally I could give two flying craps about porn on iphone but that isn't the point.

ISP shouldn't censor content. Technology companies shouldn't censor content. Govt shouldn't censor content.

If someone wants to OPT IN to family friendly internet, or tech that is fine but forced content censorship is never ok.

[Kermitt Gribble]

29. "There's no inherent entitlement to men or women

to a 'free experience' of pornography, particularly to the majority of online porn"

Um, yes there is - its called the First Amendment. If you're parenting skills aren't good enough to keep track of what your children are seeing on their phones, maybe kids shouldn't have an iPhone. I'm tired of adults being penalized in the form of censorship because of lazy and poor parenting. Music, gaming, internet, literature, porn, or whatever - no censorship!

[Rebubula]

64. Censorship

I love the Jerry avatar, but I feel that you do not understand what is going on here or what the 1st Amendment protects.

A) - Jobs is simply not selling porn related apps. You can still surf the web and get all the Tentacle porn and gangbangs you want.

B) - The 1st Amendment only stops the Government from passing laws that limit what you can say. Steve Jobs can limit his device to only log onto the Apple website if that is what he wants.


Happy 4-20

[liberal N proud]

4. Not a problem Steve

Not like I am going to look at porn on my phone, but it is none of his fucking business to be preventing me.

[Mugweed]

5. They can't keep porn of their phone

step 1) open Safari
step 2) get on Google
step 3) search for porn
step 4) click on link of choice
step 5) view porn on iPhone

But you can't get flash movies. I'm not sure why anyone would need to access porn on their phone, though.

[guitar man]

6. exactly

It's there, and there are sites that have porn movies for the iphone. They just don't have specific site apps in the app store.

[emulatorloo]

16. Which is why this ridiculous "Apple is Infringing On My Freedom" nonsense is so ridiculous.

[Statistical]

22. So attempted censorship is better than sucessful censorship?

Kinda like attempted murder is ok but successful murder is not... er wait.

[Toucano]

30. There is no censorship involved.

They're not trying to control the production, distribution, or exhibition of any content.

They are simply controlling what their device can and cannot be used for, which is well within their rights and responsibilities.

If they manufactured the only device capable of exhibiting a particular content and refused to permit that content to be distributed, then you might have a claim of censorship.


Your analogy is weak. The proper analogy is: If gun manufactures could make sure their product was ONLY used for hunting, should they? Would they be violating your right to express yourself with a firearm if they limited what the product could and could not be used to do?

It's the product and how it's used that the manufacturer is exercising control over.

[Statistical]

74. This is not the definition of censorship.

At least not in any liberal democracy.

[xultar]

55. FUCKING DUH...He's saying HE DOESN'T WANT TO SELL PORN!

[onehandle]

8. I got tired of wading through all the 'boob apps' looking for what I want, so I'm glad BUT...

I think they should just set an age restriction and have a separate store for this stuff.

Anyway, you can still surf all the porn you want through the browser. Some porn sites are actually side formatted for the iPhone.


Oh, and Flash sucks. It's an antiquated technology that Must Die.

[emulatorloo]

9. Good Grief don't you have better things to get outraged over?

If you want porn on iPhone, there are plenty of porno sites to download iPod-formatted porn.

[tomm2thumbs]

10. I am curious how he separates music & apps, when it comes to judging what is appropriate

is something sung in a song on iTunes okay, whereas if it is an illustration drawn within an app it is not?

something to ponder...

[Xithras]

12. That's OK Steve. I already have. And about two million of my friends so far.

Roughly two million of the 8.5 million current Android users are, like me, former iPhone users who were tired of both AT&T and Apples moralizing straightjacket.

Here's a reality check for Apple. While the iPhone still has the largest marketshare by far, the Android is the fastest growing smartphone segment at this point and has gained its 8.5 million users in about half the time that it took Apple to get to that same point. Apple, within the next few years, is going to be forced to either open their platform, or watch themselves recede into minority status in the smartphone market the same way they did in the computer market.

[Book Lover]

17. +1

When my Palm Centro gives up the ghost (and this is coming from a person who kept her previous Motorola phone for 10, yes ten, years) I'm going Android and not looking back. I never liked Steve Jobs, and I never understood why Apple's customers don't mind their transparent manipulation by Apple and their marketing efforts.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

23. iPhones don't have the largest market share

At least, I don't think they do. I've seen/heard some people make that claim before, but every chart I've ever seen shows the RIM/Blackberry with a much higher market share than the iPhone. Do you have conflicting info?

http://www.tipb.com/2010/02/09/apples-iphone-market-share-growing-iphone-3gs-2-bestseller/

http://link.businessinsider.com/view/9iq.750/8ca33e22

[Xithras]

34. Sorry, should have been "larger", not "largest"

The biggest marketshare actually belongs to the Symbian phones, followed by RIM, and then Apple. Symbian is popular among cellphone makers because it's cheap, highly configurable, and works on low end hardware. I don't think that ANYONE will be bumping them out of the market anytime soon.

[Bill219]

27. I tried an Android phone for two months

I wasn't impressed with the phone, Verizon's crappy coverage or their down right horrible customer service. Verizon talks a good game and loves to show their misleading ads hammering AT & T but fail when it comes to actually delivering. I could not a get a strong signal in my house with Verizon and would have to go outside my house to make a call and the number of dropped calls when I drove around areas of NC and SC daily I encountered was insane.

Switched back to my 3gs and will never make that mistake again

[Egnever]

110. Thats highly dependant on where you live

for me tmobile has the best coverage at my house and around town with verizon in second and at&t 3rd. Thankfully I can get an android based phone on damn near any carrier I want.

[CRF450]

127. Verizon's ads misleadign? I find that to be the opposite.What part of NC are you at?

I live in the NE side of NC and I get coverage pretty much everywhere, even get 3g coverage everywhere too with Verizon and the Droid. AT&T gets ok signal (except out west all the way to near I-95) and virtually no 3g coverage EVERWHERE except at the outerbanks and up around Norfolk. What use is a smartphone giant such as the iPhone if I cant get 3g coverage? Like someone else said, it depends on where you live. As a whole though, Verizon gets far better coverage and as for 3g coverage between the two, Verizon is king. There is comparison.

[baldguy]

14. Jobs just gave me ANOTHER reason never to buy anything from Apple.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. What a fucking fascist.

I've got the moral responsibility to not buy any of his shit.

[Name removed]

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[xultar]

You can't buy porn in the supermarket, mall, cvs, or barns and noble...so

they are fascist too, no?

[Egnever]

111. The main point is it isnt just porn he is banning, though he would love you to think that

[n2doc]

25. And yet sex position apps are just fine n/t

[Toucano]

26. Porn is so ubiquitous. :yawn:

All the fun has been taken out of it.

People clamor for corporations to be responsible.

They make a responsible decision, people call them fascists.

[emulatorloo]

31. The response is really kind of nuts

Way over the top. Over something very trivial in the grand scheme of things.

[Xithras]

37. That's just it. It's not trivial at all.

Control the message and you control the masses.

How would you respond if Comcast announced tomorrow that they would no longer allow liberal television shows to be broadcast to any of their subscribers?

How would you respond if PC manufacturers tomorrow announced tweaks to all new motherboards that would prevent you from ever installing Linux on new computers?

We let Apple get away with a LOT of crap that we'd scream bloody murder over if anyone else were to try it. Well, most of us do anyway.

[emulatorloo]

40. If you want porn, there are lots of places to get porn.

As to your analogies, Porn is not an operating system or a political philosophy like liberalism.

And if you want porno on your iPhone, you can put porno on it from somewhere else, Apple isn't going to sell it to you though.

Some of these responses act as if Apple has a nuclear weapon and a armed police force or something.

As a businessman, Jobs can decide he doesn't want to sell porno apps. As a consumer you can get porno elsewhere,

[Toucano]

63. Apple does not control the distribution of media.

They produce the hardware and sell some media.

It is not comparable to Comcast who controls the distribution and production of a large quantity of media.

If all the current manufactures dropped support for Linux, it would be anti-competitive. Again, not comparable with Apple's position.

[Xithras]

81. Yes, they do.

Let's compare the two.

Android was developed by Google. Google, like Apple, has no interest in distributing porn and bans it from the Android Market. If Google censoring? No. Because they built into Android phones the ability to install third party off-market applications from other providers. I can post an Android application on my website and you can download it directly.

iPhone was developed by Apple. Apple, like Google, has no interest in distributing porn and bans it from the App Store. Is Apple censoring? Yes. Because they built into the iPhone/iPad the ability to BLOCK third party off-market applications from other providers. I can post an iPhone application on my website, but there is no way for you to install it short of hacking your phone.

Google: We don't like this stuff, and we aren't going to distribute it, but you can do your own thing if you want.

Apple: We don't like this stuff, and we aren't going to distribute it, and we're going to block you from installing it yourself.


This isn't about porn. This is about corporate mindsets. It's pretty clear what I support.

[Touchdown]

84. Apple doesn't block 3rd party apps. ..I was wrong, not you! EDIT!

You find one in any off iTunes website, download it. Open your app section of iTunes, and drag it in. If it doesn't work/sync, then they programmed it wrong. As long as it's programmed correctly, it'll work. ust like any dirty song, or filthy movie you can drag into iTunes. Apps are no different.

It is clear in what you support. What isn't clear is that you either don't know for sure how iTunes/iDevices work, are making assumptions based on biases against Apple, recieved erroneous information, or lying through your fracking teeth.

EDIT: It seems that I was mistaken. Opening the back door, and the app dev kit is necessary, then the install of Quickpwn, the unauthorized app installer.

Sorry I jumped the gun!:hi:

[Xithras]

100. Yes, you have to jailbreak the phone first.

Think about the etymology and action of the term "jailbreak", by the way. Why do you think that particular term was used?

You can install any app you want on your iPhone after you root it. I know this, because I have an iPhone (deactivated and collecting dust on a shelf, but I do still own it). I had it jailbroken, used AppTap to install "unauthorized" applications, and did just about everything else you can do on an iPhone. I switched to the Android because I find it to be a more flexible and open platform, and not because I'm a Google fanboi. Brand loyalty is a silly concept practiced by those small of mind and weak of will. I'm not anti-Apple either...my iPod still sees almost daily use and I think it's still the best music player on the market.

My problem is simply with this particular product and the way that Apple chooses to control it. I'm not demanding government intervention and acknowledge that they're free to control their products any way they want. I simply choose, and encourage others to choose, less restrictive alternatives. Jobs, like most CEO's, will only change his tune when it starts hurting the bottom line.

[Touchdown]

114. You don't have to "jailbreak"... stupid term... on a Mac.

It's easier to allow it than to do the whole thing.

I just love the terminology of the computer freedom patriots/pirates of copyrighted artwork... "Lockdown, jailbreak, walled garden, oppression..." such anxiety and energy it must take to have such convictions. :rofl: I think the term was used because a bunch of nerd herders wanted their petty little issue with one company (Apple/Obama) to have the maximum impact they could possibly get, so they use the most inflammatory language (Lockdown, Jail Break, Socialist, Nazi, Death Panels) they could come up with.

[Xithras]

118. Dude, you're nuts.

"Anti-iPhone" now equals "Teabagger"? Supporting open computing = right wing? Opposing Apple = opposing Obama?

Apple is no more liberal or progressive than any other multibillion-dollar global corporation. They aren't left wing or right wing, but are simply pro-profit.

Please tell me that you forgot the sarcasm tag.

[Touchdown]

119. No. I didn't say that, but you apparently are paranoid enough to think I did.

I was comparing the over the top, inflammatory rhetoric between the two... but for a community that thinks a computer maker is "oppressing" them, I'm not surprised at your interpretation.

... Dude!

[Oak2004]

132. Actually, "jailbreak" is the technically correct term

It's been in use in the unix world for some time. When you wall off an application for security reasons, the private little world it lives in is called a "jail". I was walling off Bind in it's own little chrooted "jail", and hoping wayward users wouldn't find a way to "jailbreak" my nameserver, long before Apple released the iPhone and Saurik and crew hacked it.

Given that the iPhone and the Mac run on unix OSes these days, using the word "jailbreak" isn't drama. It's the right word from the appropriate computer OS culture.

[meegbear]

32. I didn't want my first amendment rights anyway ...

FUCK YOU STEVE JOBS!

[emulatorloo]

33. I have seen lots of crazy posts on DU, but this takes the cake.

[meegbear]

44. Porn is protected speech and Steve has no right to censor it or me ...

and thanks for the craziest post on DU; I'm digging it! :thumbsup:

[superduperfarleft]

51. What do you mean he has no "right?" It's his company.

While I think this decision is stupid, people screaming about their first amendments rights are completely off the mark.

[tammywammy]

60. When did Steve Jobs & Apple become the government? n/t

[emulatorloo]

68. You're welcome - I know you have a sense of humor!.

Jobs just doesn't want to sell porn at his store.

They don't sell porn at my local bookstore. Decision they made.

You can get porn elsewhere.

Some are acting as if Jobs has re-education camps and a armed military. He can't censor and he can't take your rights away. But he can decide he doesn't want to sell pornos.

[Touchdown]

70. He's not censoring anything. He's just not selling it to you through iTunes.

... and if you knew anything about the iDevices, you'd already know you don't need an iTunes store for any content.

[anigbrowl]

116. Some porn is. But in any case, no private company has an obligation to sell it to you.

the protection is from Congressional limitation, not private.

[Rebubula]

1st Amendment

It does NOT apply to individuals or companies. Steve Jobs can stop you from accessing Microsoft on his products if he so desires - you have the right NOT to buy it.

I agree that Jobs sucks, but this is in NO WAY a 1st Amendment violation.

[dionysus]

66. you could still... watch porn on the phones browser.. if you wanted to...

:shrug:

[Touchdown]

134. They can also be downloaded to the iPod function on the phones.

MPEG 4 is all that is needed. m4v to be exact.

[npk]

129. Like you have ever read the Constitution

The Constitution protects you from the government censoring you, not a private entity. Apple is a private company they have the right to solicit and deny whatever content they want.

[LoZoccolo]

35. Meanwhile, you can buy a 2 Live Crew album via the iTunes Store.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/as-nasty-as-they-wanna-be/id75715462

[xultar]

49. That isn't porn. You may think it is dirty and disgusting but it isn't Porn.

[Rebubula]

71. LOLZ

2 Live Crew??? What is this - the DU Time Machine?

There have been PLENTY albums (lol...albums, I am the one in the time machine) that are nastier and more graphic than that one.

[LoZoccolo]

107. I picked that one because it has wide recognition, plus I am old school. n/t

[Ignis]

103. It's even more disgusting that one can buy Oasis albums.

:scared:

[NeedleCast]

36. Porn is easily accesible on Iphone

It has a web browser. How hard can it be? Apple/Jobs is not keeping people from porn, they're just not allowin apps that contain explicit materials.

Not like there aren't plenty of outlets for porn. If you purchased a smart phone to view porn, you're doing it wrong.

[xultar]

43. and with one hand apparently.

[emulatorloo]

73. LOL n/t

[NYC_SKP]

86. DUzy!!!!

:rofl:

[blogslut]

39. Here's how it works, Steve

Customer joins adult website.
Adult website membership allows customer to sync/upload porn to their iPhone.
Member watches porn on their iPhone.

Steve Jobs is a silly man.

[emulatorloo]

41. I'm sure he gets it. He just doesn't want to sell Porn

Kind of like how Barnes and Noble doesn't sell Porn.

[tomm2thumbs]

42. you were saying...

http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/Magazine/Playboy-One-Year-Subscription/e/2000003284849

[emulatorloo]

58. No penetration etc in playboy. Plus I know you all read it for the interesting articles.

[blogslut]

45. And I don't have to buy his hardware

Isn't the free market grand?

[emulatorloo]

54. EXACTLY

Which is why I don't get the "APPLE IS TAKING MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AWAY" and "FASCISM!"

People are acting as if Apple has a police force that is coming to put them in re-education camps. It is kind of nuts.

[blogslut]

62. Let's be clear

I do not admire Apple's proprietary policies. As I stated, I do not have to purchase Apple products and those proprietary polices (as well as ridiculously inflated pricing) factor heavily into why I don't buy Apple. But make no mistake, Apple's proprietary policies are about making money. Mr. Job's supposed moral stance is just PR.

[emulatorloo]

72. He doesn't want to sell Pornography in his store. Not sure how that translates into "Proprietary"

policies."

I assume you are aware that Video on iPhone = MP4, which anybody can make.

I also assume you are also aware that IPods etc play the following audio formats:

AAC,
MP3 (Constant and Variable Bit Rates),
WAV,
AIFF,
Audible,
Apple Lossless Encoder

All of which anybody can make.

[blogslut]

79. When I speak of proprietary

I speak of hardware mostly. For example, the new iPad comes without a USB port. In order to connect any USB device to the iPad, one must purchase a special Apple connector. If one wants to replace the battery on the iPad, they can't just purchase one online, crack open the device and replace. No. They have to send the thing off to the company, who won't replace the battery but instead, issue the customer a completely new device. And as for the whole no-FLASH bit, I call horseshit on that. I'm willing to bet Apple forbids FLASH - not because of power drain or because HTML is "teh future" but because they didn't want to pay the licensing fees to Adobe.

Shit like that pisses me off.

[emulatorloo]

82. "Shit like that pisses me off" - that's like getting pissed off at a toaster or a blender

The devices you are talking about aren't traditional computers, they are more appliance like.

[blogslut]

83. So, I don't have the right to oppose a company's oppressive proprietary policies?

Apple does this stuff with a lot of it's hardware. Take newest the iPod shuffle. You can't just go buy any pair of headphones and plug them into the thing. Nooo. You have to purchase headphones that have been licensed by Apple.

The iPhone is a piece of hardware - Apple hardware. I do not want it because it is Apple hardware and I do not like Apple's policies. In turn, I will not use Apple software because I do not like their policies.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[emulatorloo]

90. You have a right to oppose anything you would like! You can buy whatever you want too!

I think that was the gist of my post entitled "EXACTLY!"

So I understand you perfectly. You don't want an iPhone, don't buy one!

What I don't understand is the bizarre "STEVE JOBS IS A FASCIST" and "STEVE JOBS IS TAKING AWAY MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS" because he has made a decision not to sell pornography on iTunes. (I know this is not coming from you)

It is as if they think Generalissimo Jobs is at the door with a machinegun, ready to take them to the Apple Re-Education Camps.

It is preposterous, way over the top, that's why I called it Apple Derangement Syndrome.

[xultar]

48. [phone] miilion trillion gazillion brazillion billion...ROFL

[xultar]

46. Keeping a flash animation of Bush off the iPhone also keeps animation of OBAMA off the iPhone.

[emulatorloo]

56. Flash is the Floppy Drive of today.

People want this flash thing to be some kind of "Political Oppression."

HTML 5 is coming, the video handling is going to be a lot more efficient.

I used to use flash, it is a pain in the ass. I can't wait to see it go the way of the floppy.

[Mojambo]

69. And I think that's just as wrong. n/t

[Touchdown]

50. That's just stupid. Anybody can get porn on an iPhone/iPad/iPod.

Anybody can get Mark Fiore's animations on Apple devices as well.

Getting apps for them are not necessary. :eyes:

"Gatekeepers", my porn watching on an iPhone ass!

[SidDithers]

52. He does know there's a safari browser on the iPhone, doesn't he?...nt

Sid

[emulatorloo]

61. Of course he knows that. He just doesn't want to sell Porns at his store.

[krabigirl]

53. Well, I already have an Android and I am glad I chose the one that supports free speech.

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

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[guitar man]

67. exactly

I have not found any censorship on my safari browser in my iphone. There is plenty of porn and anything else available to anybody who owns one.

[Touchdown]

77. Got a challenge for you... find an Android app

that features an activity called "Watersports". Not a website in it's browser, but an ACTUAL APP that you can buy from the Google App store.

Then come back and talk to me about free speech.

[Marr]

59. They're making a lot of dumb decisions with the iphone, IMHO.

Their decision to exclude Flash is baffling. They're putting their little corporate rivalry ahead of their customers' interests. Their competition will be very happy to scoop up any customers they casually blow off.

[tammywammy]

65. More power to him

I respect his decision to not sell porn. It's not like people with iPhones can't get their porn elsewhere, Apple doesn't have to sell the apps.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

78. Apple tends to be control freaks towards their customers. This is just one more instance of that. nt

[Elwood P Dowd]

92. Are Kroger stores control freaks because they won't sell porn to their customers?

You can find all the porn you want using Apple products, but you can't get it through Apple. Steve Jobs does not want to sell or promote porn. How the fuck does that translate into being a control freak? Apple is one of the more progressive CE firms out there, and Al Gore is on their board. The level of pure hatred by DU members toward Apple while giving republican companies like Dell a pass is amazing.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

102. What part of "just one more instance" didn't you understand? -nt

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

94. Control freaks? Surely you jest!

"Apple can further determine whether a user pays attention to the advertisement. The determination can include performing, while the advertisement is presented, an operation that urges the user to respond; and detecting whether the user responds to the performed operation. If the response is inappropriate or nonexistent, the system will go into lock down mode in some form or other until the user complies. In the case of an iPod, the sound could be disconnected rendering it useless until compliance is met. For the iPhone, no calls will be able to be made or received."

That's from their patent for integrated marketing and subsidized functionality. (iAd)
Yep. Watch the ad all the way through or we'll shut off your phone.

[Touchdown]

96. ZOMG! Steve Jobs is gonna take our guns away and force us to marry gays and put us into camps!

Android already has that capability. Let's see is either actually use it before you go apeshit. Oops! Too late! "Apple's gonna, gonna, gonna..." Never "has" though. :eyes:

[emulatorloo]

98. Beware the black iHelicopter circling your home!

EOM

[tomm2thumbs]

106. are you serious? is that from their patent?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

108. Here's a link where this is discussed and explained in greater detail:

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2009/10/apple-prepares-to-rock-the-market-with-hardware-subsidizing-program.html

It's quite clear that iAd, which is coming with the OS4 iPhone upgrade this summer is what this led to. And Apple applied for a patent for this.

Jobs touted "iAd" as something to be proud of during the keynote speech a few weeks ago. That iAd could block the entire page and disable functionality until the user focuses attention on the advertisement.

As if the world needs more advertisements.

Things like this make me wonder...what if an ad's blocking my phone's service and I need to place a 911 call? Seconds count in an emergency.

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Jobs is just being Jobs, slamming the hell out of the competition

in very nasty and personalized ways. He and their ads are why I do not like their products. Vicious marketing. To tie the other phone to porn, this is why he's saying all of this. Their marketing makes me ill.

[Zynx]

101. I have a Droid already, but this is not the reason.

It's just a better phone, objectively speaking.

[BuddhaGirl]

136. I'm getting one this summer when the new HTC phone

comes out - no Icrap for me :-)

[Johonny]

104. I long for the days when you could get a cheap thrill sticking your

finger in those rotary dial phones.

[tomm2thumbs]

105. New Rules? Not the Bill Maher kind...

According to a current app developer who spoke with Apple, these are the new rules for Apple (source links below)

1. No images of women in bikinis (Ice skating tights are not OK either)
2. No images of men in bikinis! (I didn’t ask about Ice Skating tights for men)
3. No skin (he seriously said this) (I asked if a Burqa was OK, and the Apple guy got angry)
4. No silhouettes that indicate... wobbling boobs
5. No sexual connotations or innuendo: boobs, babes, booty, sex – all banned
6. Nothing that can be sexually arousing
7. No apps will be approved that in any way imply sexual content
(not sure how Playboy is still in the store, but …)

SOURCE:
http://chillifresh.com/2010/02/20/5000-apps-banned-the-new-rules/




He updates from ATT 'Rules from MEdia Net Search ATT'

Your submission must NOT contain any of the following elements:

Nudity, including partial nudity
Depictions of sexual activity or sexual behavior
Profanity
Hate speech
Depictions of violence, especially intense violence that results in blood, gore, injury, or death
Explicit references to or explicit depictions of alcohol, drug use, tobacco use, and gambling


SOURCE:
http://chillifresh.com/2010/02/22/plot-thickens-is-att-to-blame/



* again, please review links for more info - I am quoting from developer details at the links

[tomm2thumbs]

109. Apple rejected Health Care App supporting single-payer

Red Daly, a 22 year-old computer science grad student at Stanford, submitted his iSinglePayer iPhone app for Apple’s approval on Aug. 21. A little more than a month later Apple rejected it on the grounds of its content, Daly told Wired.com.

The iSinglePayer application includes facts and figures that support a Canadian-style health insurance plan where the government insures citizens and reimburses health providers, but doesn’t employ the doctors. The app also uses GPS to determine a user’s political representatives, and how much money health companies have given them in campaign donations.

(snip)

Daly, who has successfully submitted other apps such as Quiz Tunes, suspected something was off when he did not get an answer from Apple quickly.

Then on Saturday morning, Daly got a call from an Apple employee who identified himself as Richard, who told him verbally that his app had been rejected. When Daly asked if there was anything he could do to make it less politically charged, Richard replied that the problem was the app was politically charged.

Apple has already drawn scrutiny from federal regulators over its management of the iPhone app store, which is the only path users can take to add applications to their phone without voiding the warranty.



SOURCE
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/09/apple-denied-health-care-app-for-political-reasons-developer-says/

[Touchdown]

125. Really? Then I just downloaded the fake iSinglePayer at the Apple Prison Store.

:eyes:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/isinglepayer/id328472903?mt=8]

Yawn indeed! It's time to let it go.

[guitar man]

112. Yes you CAN get porn on an iPhone

No you can't get porn or porn apps at the iTunes store. But, the iPhone has an excellent browser and the google will take you to oodles and gobs of porn that is viewable on the iPhone.

Trust me on this, I'm a dirty old man with an iPhone. :P

[Initech]

113. You can get porn on *ANY* 3G phone.

[Lyric]

115. Okay. I'll be sure to do that, as I don't like Steve Jobs' bullshit "morality"

:hi:

[ThoughtCriminal]

120. The problem with Apple

you can only buy through the company store.

PS: Love my Droid

[Touchdown]

123. People who actually own Apple products disagree.

PS: I'm impressed that you love your Droid. I really am.

[Dr Fate]

122. Crap- And I was looking forward to setting up my "Lesbo Gangbang" app.

n/t

[Egnever]

124. You are still making one for Android though right?

:rofl:

[Dr Fate]

126. They will have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers. n/t

n/t

[TCJ70]

128. This is more about the app store than Internet content.

In which case I'm ok with that. There are plenty of stores that don't sell porn...are they all fascist control freaks as well?

[Warren Stupidity]

130. clue to jobs: tons of porn on iphone

teh stupid infects da smart.

[seabeyond]

131. crazy flipping out because a company doesnt want to be a porn distributor.

OM fuckin G... the end of the world, cant get porn on ipho.... no wait. yes, you can get your porn. every second of every minute of your friggin day.

but still... the crazy

really

sad

[Warren DeMontague]

133. Porn AND Apple!

I predict great things for the this thread. Great, great things.

:popcorn:

[fujiyama]

135. Apple restrictive policies are a double edged sword it seems

They ensure a certain level of quality, since there is so much restriction in development and acceptance to be sold and distributed through their app store, but it may be argued that may be stifling creativity.

I have an iPhone 3G. It took a long time to decide to get it, since I was never used to Apple products in the past, but a coworker had one and I used it for a while (checking my gmail since it was blocked at work) and at the time it was by far the most intuitive and versatile phone/mp3 player/all around gadget I had used. I have no regrets purchasing it then.

But considering the battle they've taken with flash (and I understand it's buggy in some cases) and various other irritating restrictions in place, I'd take a look at other phones on the market. The Droid and others look interesting, though at the moment I am still satisfied with the iPhone. Jailbreaking it has also expanded its uses.

As for porn distributed in the app store...Hey that's Steve's prerogative. No big deal really. I don't really understand the fuss. It's their store - their policies. Anyone that desperate to rub one off can go to spankwire's mobile site for God's sakes. Personally, I think the credit card and a restrictive "adult apps" section in the appstore would be sufficient to block minors from accessing objectionable material...but as long as Safari isn't filtering the web and search results, there is no free speech issue here.