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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:06 AM
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Unless, the base get more fired up....
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 11:16 AM by Sheepshank
It would seem that we could be handing the Rep all the seats they want...on a silver platter. Is that what we really want?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx
Enthusiasm About Voting
Dem 28%
Ind 27%
Rep 45%



Then there's this
Vote for Democratic Candidate/ Vote for Republican Candidate
Dem 92% / Dem 5%
Ind 32% / Ind 45%
Rep 6% / Rep 93%


So the second set of stats could be a tad meaningless. By that I mean, 93% of 1,000,000 is much much much less than 92% of 3,000,000. But it galls me that the Reps can garner even 1% more party loyalty.





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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:12 AM
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1. Obama voters didn't turn out in VA last November at all. nt
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:20 AM
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2. Yet the same Gallup poll
indicates that The Dems have an incredibly high rate of satisfaction with the US....so why are the Dems not fired up? Is anger such a strong motivation and happy thoughts leading to complacency?
U.S. Satisfaction (Monthly)
Dem 49%
Ind 23%
Rep 10%


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:29 AM
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3. I think we'll hold our own in November, actually. nt
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:47 PM
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9. the same could be said for NJ
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:49 PM
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12. Yes. nt
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sadbear Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:35 AM
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4. The tea party will flame out over the summer
Their intensity won't be nearly as high in November. Timing, it's everything in politics.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:29 PM
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20. They got me stemin". While they fizzle, I blow my top. So will
women, gays, minorities, educated, ill, poor, etc etc.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:52 AM
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5. Just because the Left doesn't make asses out of themselves does
not mean we are not "fired up." I'll get to that when it's time to make phone calls, etc. in October and November...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:57 AM
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6. Perhaps another Wall Street bailout might boil the blood..
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:26 PM
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7. not sure what you mean?
Are you saying either...
(1) there's another bail out planned OR
(2) the previous bail out is worth putting in Republicans?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:53 PM
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11. What I meant is so far the new boss looks a lot like the old boss
with our drug czar
and our for profit health insurance mandate
dadt
war on education
and our wars..

Nothing like a good Dodd drafted "Wall Street Reform" to get the progressives back into campaign mode.

Please forgive me as I am having one of the worse days. One of the top 100 worse days of my life..
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:07 PM
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14. So still not saying much about the voting
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 07:07 PM by Sheepshank
are you fired up to vote for a Republican because your opinion is that Obama hasn't delivered everything you want in the manner you want it?

Or are you all disappointed because Obasma didn't do everything you wanted in the manner you wanted it and so you won't vote at all, handing republicans public office on a on a platter

Or are you going to hold you nose and vote and try and support the Dems anyway?

I hear your complaint, I know bad days. Truly, I'm not badgering and I'm sorry this is one of the 100 worst days in your history. Just trying to get to the bottom of just how dispoointment the voting public is. While you voice a complaint, I don't see where you've really clarified if your disappointment is worth putting a Rep in office.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:32 PM
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16. I actually might be pretty involved this year
In NYS we have Andrew Cuomo, which could be kinda cool. John Tansini is gonna try to primary for US Senator.
Plus John Hall might need some help..

No one (Ghouliani) that I hate is running on the other side. I often find that to be a motivator.

As for 2010 - we are gonna hold pretty good. People know what the GOP has to offer. It will sell in the red and make some gains in the blue.

To answer your questions -
I always vote holding my nose for the most part. I like my Congressman, but other then that there is little to be celebrated on my ballot..

I'll vote as I always do..
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:43 PM
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8. I'll bet a $10 donation to DU
That Democrats retain control of both the House and Senate. I've offered this bet three times. So far only one taker.

I'm not terribly concerned about this for a couple of reasons. Number 1, it's April, and considering the anticipation powers of large segments of our society, seven months might as well be the twelfth of never for a lot of people.

Second, the Republicans aren't enjoying their necessary 4-1 fundraising advantage. Like the last two election cycles, the Republicans have only about a 2-1 advantage in fundraising, and that means they have to pick and choose their races. They don't command the numbers of volunteers that Democrats have (Republicans don't mind doing things, they just mind doing them for free), and so they have to raise a lot more money to do the same amount of grass roots organizing. That also means budgeting their expenditures, spending where it will do the most good, and Republicans don't do that very well, judging by the past two election cycles. Entrenched, safe Republican incumbents continue to command expenditures out of proportion to the threat to their re-election, and challengers find themselves scrambling for funding. Republicans are scouring their ranks for new candidates who can be self-funding, and while they have found folks like Carly Fiorina and Linda McMahon, having money doesn’t always translate to political acumen.

Third, while the percentages may look bad right this second, there are fewer folks identifying as Republican than there have been in a long time. A lot of those have become "independents," but might more properly be described as "embarrassed Republicans," people who don't like the connotations that come with identification with the Republican party. "Independents" should skew close to 20% in favor of Republicans instead of the current 13% gap before it would be truly concerning.

Finally, the results of financial reform legislation should bolster Democratic support, if the legislation comes close to matching the current rhetoric. Republicans are running, as usual, on "do nothing" about financial messes. If Democrats practice meaningful oversight on the problem areas of the financial sector (derivatives and CDOs), they will make significant gains among "independents."
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:54 PM
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10. It's not that I don't want to donate to DU
I just don't want to do it as a losing bet lol. I want to, and sort of do believe all those points you made in your post. It's my hope that those things will come to pass....so taking you up on your bet would be betting against myself. I just would love a 10 point cushion in the final tally and believe that the Dems can actually keep the fire alive rather than resting on laurels, resting on complacency or withrawing because of disappointment that they didn't get everything they wanted.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:52 PM
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13. All your base are belong to us.....
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:13 PM
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15. define 'we.'
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 07:17 PM by branders seine
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:57 AM
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17. WELL....
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 09:59 AM by Sheepshank
'we' as in us and not them.

perhaps what I mean are the Democrats. Given the context that the OP was talking about allowing or even aiding Republicans to win political headway and seats. I figured 'we' wouldn't be that hard to guess in this context.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:19 PM
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18. If 'we' means the DLC and the blue dogs,
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 06:24 PM by branders seine
I could not care less.

If "we" means progressives, then the OP makes no sense, since progressives only hold a handful of seats in both houses of congress.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:24 PM
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19. Fired Up?
Damn right I am. I'll go to my grave that way. I'm on a mission to eliminate R's.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:22 PM
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22. Friggin try to stop me.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:31 PM
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21. Unreccing for being a "Debbie Downer"
unrec
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