Why the hate for immigrants?

[Gman2]

I feel we need to harken back to Palin, telling us all that the unemployed REALLY REALLY better do all they can to find jobs. And how Rethugs talk about Hispanics stealing all our jobs. The system is to be designed to check that you took that job picking lettuce for min. wage. If not, you are cut off. This would be stage two. There is a push, to get all those not privileged, to get McJobs. Those in positions of power and wealth, want YOU to be stoop labor, and not pay for any social safety net. This is the coming reality. And with the overtime rules, they have just in time stoop labor.

The Rethug vision of the future is harsh, brutal and short, just like life was, before progressives made life bearable. Should Rethugs take back control, either 2010. or 2012, There will be civil war. The hispanic population is about to explode. And that is those STILL in Mexico. Shut off the emergency spigot, and watch violence move in to stay. And if they think Americans will stomach stoop labor till you die, they are insane.

I can only hope the Rethugs institute Burka's for women, whippings for Blacks. Putting the ill and disabled on forced labor. Their time is short. And demographics already is likely to destroy them. This is their last hurrah. We must watch for stolen votes, scam Obama ineligibility. If they dont win now, they wont again. It is a sure thing that they will cheat. It is the only clear path to rule. And if they win, they will cage all that object.

The insane right has been tipping their hat for months. Voting is out. Majority rule is tyranny, they tell us. Social safety net must be ruined for good. Legal representation must end, for all but the rich. States must be allowed to flout all law and logic, to steal all the jobs from reasonable states, and give them to the LCD. And how bad will they hurt their constituents, to do so? Who cares. It is now US AND THEM. So, gays, minorities, ill, women, blacks, old, young, LET's ROLL.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. The last time Republicans tried to make immigration the big issue...

they ended up losing in the biggest congressional landslide in national history.

[Gman2]

2. No depression then.

[Oregone]

3. People are hurt. People are angry. They need something to blame

[catbyte]

4. Don't forget, People are racists.

There wouldn't be such a brouhaha if all the immigrants were from northern Europe, if you get my drift...

[Llewlladdwr]

27. Yeah!

I mean after all, everyone knows how easy those Irish had it...

[dflprincess]

5. And to make sure they don't blame those who actually caused the problems

immigrants have become the designated cause of all our problems.

[treestar]

51. No kidding! Lou Dobbs will tell you that!

:sarcasm:

[pampango]

53. Always easier to blame poor foreigners. Don't look at the man behind the curtain! It's the "others"

(foreigners, minorities, gays, women, etc.) who are the cause of your problems.

[Pyrzqxgl]

7. If they try apartheid here!

The result will be the same as in So. Africa. They'll lose!

[Gman2]

10. What if it is not color based, but class?

[Burma Jones]

16. What do you mean "if"?

Class apartheid exists and is justified by people like the Freakonomics guys by saying intelligence is mainly hereditary.

[Zywiec]

6. Immigrants, or illegal immigrants? n/t

[Gman2]

9. While they give lip service to LIKEING legal immigrants, they poise police to harrass them.

[mmonk]

8. I don't know that racist right wing America needs any reason other than bigotry.

[liberal N proud]

11. It's the newest racism in the US

Blacks are finally moving up in status if ever so slightly with the white supremacist crowd. They are zeroing in on the hispanics, no matter if they are legal or not.

The fabricated fears are the same in many instances.

[chrisa]

45. It's not new, unfortunately.

People have always had ridiculous fears about immigration. Look back to how people used to feel about immigrants from Europe.

[liberal N proud]

49. I think that was really what I was thinking

The Italians
The Irish
The Chinese
The Japanese
The Blacks
Now the Hispanics

I know there are others in between those, but truly a record of racism in this nation.

[paulsby]

12. i've seen no hate for IMMIGRANTS. i have seen hate for ILLEGAL immigrants

note the distinction

[The Northerner]

14. +1

[Gman2]

28. -1, My parents want them ALL to go home. The whole taking over thingie.

[HipChick]

33. yep.. I get...You let one of them in, and they bring their whole family over

[HipChick]

15. hate doesn't make a distinction..

immigrants..foreign..foreigners..

[pinboy3niner]

23. Exactly

The public face of their hate is directed at "illegals," but what they really fear is MEXICANS, regardless of status. An influx of white Canadians crossing the border wouldn't disturb them in the least . . .

[Lance_Boyle]

17. I don't like the term 'illegal immigrants.'

"Immigrant" implies that they are here to stay. "Illegal alien" sums it up better. Here illegally, subject to deportation if found out. Not an immigrant - more a transient.

[mmonk]

18. You need to get out more.

[paulsby]

22. i spend 8-10 hrs a day working the streets

i get out plenty

[Gman2]

26. I'm sure the insularity of being a cop factors in.

[paulsby]

30. yes, exactly

because we are so out of touch with the reality of the streets and how everyday people live

[Gman2]

38. You see how people want you to see them, if at all possible.

You are the man.

[paulsby]

41. we see people as they are

infinitely more than the average person, and especially so as compared to an ivory tower academic, etc

many here belittle people in trailer parks. i spend a lot of time in trailer parks and would NEVER disrespect somebody for living there.

i see broken families and intact families. i see addicts, dealers, and recreational users.

i see the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor

i see that the VAST majority of people support us, as polling data proves.

i see people at their worst and i see people at their best

i've seen oceans of blood and mountains of torn flesh

i've been hugged, thanked, and cursed by complete strangers

i've seen more psychologically ill people in a year than many psychologists will see in a career.

i've been kicked, spit on, shot at, assaulted with a knife, and an axe and molotov cocktails

in brief, i am privy to the great spectacle of life in america

[Gman2]

47. Man, Ive been attacked by most of that too. Where is my payday?

[paulsby]

50. hey, we're hiring

come on over

[Cid_B]

58. Do y'all have have a veterans preference?

First term is up and all options are on the table...

[mmonk]

57. And do you talk to hispanic Americans? I do every week.

Talk about status (illegal vs legal) is a cover. The fight over language (vis a vis English and Spanish) should be a give away as the use of bilingual signage and such has nothing to do with status.

[Gman2]

19. Yeah? So, they are not looking for hispanic lookers?

Get real. They want the stain of Hispanic hue gone. Just illegals aint gonna do it. They are taking over demographically. They must be reduced. And Jim Crow type rules must reduce Rethug opposition. That means doing away with voting, or poll tests. Strict constructionist court, that gives corps all the say. It goes on and on. I personally think that the hateful regressive rethugs arent REALLY racist. They are elitists. Dixiecrats. If blacks and hispanics voted rethug, they would invite them with open arms. But, all those legal immigrants vote, and they increasingly vote dem. Sure they act like they enjoy lynching, but it is an effect. Losing white anticipated privilege, and expected security, is their hate trigger.

[AlinPA]

46. Where I live (W. PA) I see a lot of hate for non-white immigrants. nt

[donheld]

55. -1 more how do you tell the legal from the illegal

Far too many see brown skin an automatically the hatred surfaces. Since they can't tell who's legal and who is not, they just hate them all.

[Biker13]

59. +1

[Burma Jones]

13. Status Anxiety

The means for a prosperous Middle Class are being sold off, have been for the last thirty years. People see a dwindling pie and more and more people coming to the table. The powerful see an entire world at their disposal to enrich them, not just the USA.

The entire Teabagger movement is an exercise in Status Anxiety.

Hispanics are not stealing jobs, the jobs are stealing from Hispanics.

And yeah, Race and Racism makes it much worse, Asians are going to be a target soon.

These people with Guns and misspelled signs and enraged faces are just going to grow in number as they see less opportunity and more competition.

[burning rain]

20. There's more than one strand of conservative thought regarding immigration.

In addition to racist/nativist conservatives who wish to restrict it and expel undocumented immigrants, there are economic conservatives (say, of the Wall Street Journal stripe) who love immigration--the more the better--and support amnesty, because they want a perpetually huge surplus of labor to create downward pressure on wages. However, there's enough unemployment now that economic conservatives' "needs" are already being met, so they're not as vociferous as they'd be if unemployment were low.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

21. 'EY TOUK 'ER JIBS!!!!

DERKA DURRRR!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

[Hello_Kitty]

40. Typical condescension from the cheap labor lobby

"Those wonderful brown people just loooooooooooove to do our shit work for us for less than minimum wage. And we should let them because I want my cheap lettuce and to pay people dirt to mow my lawn and clean my house uh I mean because it's the compassionate thing!"

[conspirator]

56. TEEK'R'JIB nt

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

24. I've found some of the most vociferous hate against illegal aliens comes from legal immigrants.

I've always found that interesting, but it does makes sense.

I highly doubt that legal immigrants hate ALL immigrants and foreigners, illegal or otherwise.
They pretty much disdain the one that piss all over the law and come here illegally.
It's really an insult to the immigrants who abide by immigration laws.

[Gman2]

25. It is the same reason why pedophilia creates pedophiles.

Or why those that had something shoved up their asses in skull and bones, insist on major shoving for all that follow.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

31. I don't think there is a good link there.

It's not about damaged psyche or "initiation rights". It's about caring enough about the country you're going to and respecting laws. Obviously, legal immigrants had enough respect for the laws and disdained illegal immigration BEFORE they came here. I'm not sure those relationships you mentioned are necessarily acquainted with apply to immigration.

I would hope that people who wish to enjoy American rights and privileges go through some sort of immigration process. It's not like you cross the border and POOF your an American. Such practices diminish the value of what it means to be an American and especially any effort taken by legal immigrants to become legitimate citizens of this country. The immigration process does not even need to be stringent... but immigrants should certainly be expected to comply.

[Gman2]

35. Funny how employers dont seem to have enough care, to use the H1B program.

And so, they jpromote the system, just like they accused tokers of promoting assassination. You dont stop anything by stopping demand. You do so by affecting supply.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

37. "You do so by affecting supply"

So you're saying if we built a wall... that would limit the supply of illegals?

[Gman2]

39. No, you convince employers, that supplying jobs, will cost them MORE.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

43. I was joking. ;)

A wall won't stop determined people. Now, a wall with snipers on top... that might garner some attention. :o
But shooting invading immigrants is a different debate altogether.

I think massive fines and raids on employers (cross-checking thier books with observed employees) would take ALOT of the job supply away. This is the best way to combat illegal exploitation of migrant workers and illegal immigration. However, I also don't object to the deportation of people here illegally or the fact that they may lack some rights (voting, federal aid, etc).

[Lance_Boyle]

32. It couldn't possibly be because they have respect for the laws of their new country?

Are you really suggesting that the path to LEGAL immigration is akin to sexual assault?

[Gman2]

36. I am saying that balancing the budget on gimmicks, is cheesy.

[carlyhippy]

29. I have seen this too

It's because they came to the US and endured years of paperwork, testing, interviews, letters etc to become a citizen, and the illegals snuck in and bypassed all the hard work.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. Who to hate? Hmm, I can't hate that group and get away with it... nah, can't hate that one either...

...aha, THAT one I can hate and still look kinda sorta somewhat respectable. That's the one.

[pampango]

54. How true. Can't hate based on race, gender, or sexual orientation. If you're born on the wrong side

of the river, though, that's a whole different story. White men used to be able to keep Blacks, women and gays from competing for the best jobs. None of that is "cool" (or legal) anymore. All we have left is those folks who were born in the "wrong" place - "THAT one I can hate and still look kinda sorta somewhat respectable. That's the one."

[butterfly77]

42. Will they be trying to round up...

illegals who are not hispanic. I can't wait to see the TEABAGGER matchup over illegal immigration...

[Gman2]

44. It would be fair, for demlike arizona law, to harrass teabaggers, demanding papers.

[LostInAnomie]

48. I am not a fan of illegal immigrants or apologists for cheap labor.

We should do more to keep illegal immigrants out. People using them for cheap labor should be prosecuted.

[divvy]

52. It's not hate ...... Its Christian Love !

[pampango]

60. Same in the UK. The left is pro-immigration, the right is anti-immigration.

Lib Dems: Their manifesto says: "We will allow people who have been in Britain without the correct papers for 10 years, but speak English, have a clean record and want to live here long-term to earn their citizenship." A UK version of the legalization aspect of most immigration reform proposals in the US.

Labour: "Controlled migration brings undoubted benefits to our country but we also recognise people’s legitimate concerns about the impact it can have on communities if not properly managed."

Conservative: "We will introduce an annual limit on the numbers of non-EU economic migrants allowed to work here..."

BNP: "seeks to restore the overwhelmingly white ethnicity of Britain that existed prior to 1948 through legal means, including "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home" and the repeal of anti-discrimination legislation.

From left to right:
Liberal Democrats: legalization for illegal immigrants (do the Conservatives there call it amnesty?);
Labour: Immigration is good, but needs to be controlled better;
Conservative: Immigration is problematic and needs to be capped;
Far right: Immigration is bad and needs to be reversed through "voluntary" repatriation.

[rucky]

61. It's called the "blame everybody but the actual culprits" strategy.

they prefer to rob blind people.

[meow2u3]

62. Hatred of immigrants are nearly as old as the United States of America itself

First, the English settlers hated the Native Americans, aka Indians, so they took over the land; then they hated the black Africans, whom they enslaved; then the Irish, because they spoke English with a different accent and weren't Protestant; then they hated the European immigrants because they didn't speak English; now they hate the recent wave of immigrants because not only do they not speak English, they aren't white.

[madokie]

63. Its all misplaced hate if you ask me

the people who hire the illegal immigrants are who we should be hating if there is any hate warranted anywhere. It pisses me off when I see my brothers and sisters out of a job and I see a person who is here illegal doing the job they used to do for half the wages or less in some cases. I don't hate the immigrant I hate the employers of them. Does that make me bad, not hardly. My family is a family of immigrants too actually.