Women: A way to change men's minds on abortion

[prolesunited]

Deny sexual relations with any and every man who does not firmly believe in a woman's right to choose.

So, who's with me? :bounce:

[southerncrone]

1. Yea, sounds good on paper, but we know they are all liars when it comes to "that"

[Colobo]

9. We are all "liars" on that?

How do you know? Have you met all of us?

[southerncrone]

14. Lighten up, just a joke!

[Karenina]

40. "A stiff cock knows no conscience."

One of the "beatitudes" for women who KNOW men.

[Quantess]

19. Really? That's too bad, for you.

Each of my serious boyfriends has been pro-choice. I just have good taste in men, I guess.

[southerncrone]

23. Most of the men I know ARE pro-choice.

[mondo joe]

35. In fact most men are pro-choice, in virtually the same percentage as women. NT

[Lerkfish]

2. um...raises hand...does that mean the men like me who DO firmly believe so...

gets to sleep with ALL women?

just checkin.

:)

[prolesunited]

3. No, it doesn't work that way

But you realized that, didn't you? ;-)

[Lerkfish]

24. yup, just being silly.

;)

[KitchenWitch]

5. Nice try!

;)

[madeline_con]

6. No, just those who consent.

[ComerPerro]

26. very good question

[madeline_con]

4. Just say no? eom

[southerncrone]

13. Delete. Wrong thread.

[TalkingDog]

7. Hmmm...read much Ancient Greek? Didn't work then either.

Of course, that was about war and not abortion, but nevertheless....

[DemBones DemBones]

21. I was thinking of "Lysistrata," too. Very funny play. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Men that don't believe in a woman's right to choose prolly isn't getting any anyways.

:)

[madeline_con]

20. Good point. n/t

[Colobo]

10. Education is key

Empower both men and women by educating them about sexuality openly.

[Cant trust em]

11. Aren't Republicans supposed to like freedom?

Only the freedom to agree with them I guess.

[Colobo]

12. They like fiscal "freedom" and social conservatism

[Maru Kitteh]

17. There is nothing conservative about legislating sexual activity or

personal choice in medical treatment. That is a new incarnation of "conservatism."

[havocmom]

15. Nah, make them put $250,000 minimum in escrow

to pay for any child rearing that may result.

Talk is cheap ;)

[prolesunited]

39. I like your thinking on that

Or perhaps documentation that they've had a vasectomy (although that doesn't change their mind-set)

[Maru Kitteh]

16. They're all in favor of YOU getting an abortion when they don't want to pay

child support, or you're good enough to fuck but not good enough for their family (to marry).

This favor changes when it's not their "problem".

[merh]

18. I have the perfect answer for the abortion issue.

State mandated vasectomies.

Pass a law that as soon as a male is fertile, he must have a vasectomy.

Once the man has entered into a relationship with a woman that is willing to carry his child, he can go in and have the vasectomy reversed. Before the operation is allowed, a contract must be signed by both parties agreeing to the care of that child until it reaches maturity. Back door reversals are illegal and the man who has one and his physician are punished with a huge fine and mandatory community service. The community service must be child/family related.

Women that don't want to involve a man can be artificially inseminated, signing a similar contract regarding the care of the child.

If you do that, then you have removed the health risks for a woman and the need for abortions. You have also given the man the reproductive powers they crave and you have made them take responsibility for their little swimmers.

:evilgrin:

Let's see how the men like being told what they can do with their bodies by the state.

[Hidden Stillness]

25. Witty Answer

This is a very clever answer, and I have tried explaining things this way too, but you have to be careful with it, because sometimes you get a really whiny/aggressive bastard who either actually believes that the "uppity 'bitches' " are "oppressing" them again, like it was a real proposal the way theirs are, or they just hate women so much that they are going to fight and argue against everything you said, even if they actually know that it was a debating point, a reversal so they would understand what it felt like. I have used the "we will give everyone a vasectomy," part, (the "answer" to "we will restrict all of THEIR abortions"), and then added "and I am even willing to compromise on the issue," like give forced vasectomies to only some of them, etc.--letting them know how outrageous their equivalent treatment of us is. Also, I have used the approach that any male who is against abortion--like they don't know where the pregnancy came from--should have their abdomen gouged out, the fetus implanted, and they can put their money where their mouth is so to speak, and carry the pregnancy to term themselves. As mentioned though, you have to be careful with attempts like these; sometimes these anti-woman bigots just explode...

[merh]

27. Oh, believe me, I know about debating the men on this.

They consider it appauling to even suggest that their bodies be maimed and there is the "not all reversals work" cry.

It has been said millions of times over the course of human existence, if men were the gender responsible for (1) carrying a child to term, and (2) giving birth - we as a species would have died out a long time ago. OR, we would have affective birth control and there would be no question about the legality of abortions.

[donsu]

30. kick

nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. I always have! nt

[mondo joe]

28. What makes you think men are the problem?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/abortion_poll030122.html

Men and women support legal abortion in roughly equal numbers: 54 percent of men, and 58 percent of women, say it should be legal in all or most cases.

In fact, men poll HIGHER in support of legal abortion in some circumstances than women do.

[donsu]

32. however it is the men in D.C. that wear suits and black robes

that think women are 'less'

[mondo joe]

34. Who is electing them?

Who comprises the biggest demographic voting block? Women.

If all women were actually pro choice it wouldn't make a difference if any men were.

[TahitiNut]

36. Well, facts are often "inconvenient truths" ... get in the way of biases.

:shrug:

Indeed, the implication that sexual relations are a "one-way" deal leaves a sour taste in my mouth. In fact, I have never had much of an inclination to engage in such relations with any woman who thought so.

[youthere]

29. I believe that might actually change their mind...for 8-10 minutes.

LOL.

[rug]

31. Firmly?

[cally]

33. A serious answer...Why would any prochoice woman have sex with

an anti-choice man. It's insane to not anticipate future problems and to understand a partners views on women's rights.

[Tesha]

37. We could stop wars that way too.

We could stop wars that way too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

But yes, never fuck a man who intends to tell
you what to do with your body afterwards.

Tesha

[Matsubara]

38. Most anti-choice people are WOMEN, not MEN

At least that has been my experience from the people I know.

I really don't understand the stereotype that women are pro-choice and men anti-. In real life I have not seen that to be the case.

It's always a bunch of women protesting outside the Planned Parenthood in my neighborhood...

[uppityperson]

42. That's because their men are at work, and these stay at homers can take time to boycott

only partially sarcastic here. As in your other topic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=827939&mesg_id=829189

Most outspoken pro-choice people I know are women.

[Matsubara]

41. DELETE - DUPE

NT