"A young drunk girl out club-hopping is fair game."

[brentspeak]

Incredible that people like this are in our midst.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/nfl_tracker/posts/107781?eref=sihp

JTJ

Total Comments (1558)

He did not commit a crime. The NFL should leave him alone.
A young drunk girl out club-hopping is fair game. If she can be talked her out of her panties then so be it.
Numerous clubs, drunk as a skunk, I don't think we should automatically believe her like she was a saint.

[DavidDvorkin]

1. Good Lord.

[Captain Hilts]

2. The laws protect the stupid, too. nt

[bemildred]

5. It is precisely the stupid that need the protection of the law. nt

[Captain Hilts]

7. That's right. We need to protect the weak from the strong, the stupid from the smart. nt

[bemildred]

16. The thing is, the weak become strong, and the stupid smart, over time.

And they remember.

[dugaresa]

3. people make stupid statements like that until they have a daughter or neice or granddaughter who is

victimized.

Having a few drinks with friends in a club, dancing and having fun does not make you fair game for rape.

[Gman2]

4. Saved a few of those girls from those guys. They usually want to fight.

[mzteris]

6. "game"?? as in "prey"? like some animal?

OMFG - I hate these people.

I'm a big Steeler's fan and I am not happy at all with his behaviour. I don't think "sports" people should be 'heroes' - hell, they're just good at playing a damn game! - but his behaviour has over the line.

Sounds to me like he has a drinking problem, impaired judgement, and a sense of entitlement that mast "stars" seem to get. :(

[flvegan]

8. Those knuckles must be pretty scarred up.

From being dragged for so long.

[seabeyond]

10. i just keep remembering

you are one of those bad boys, (from a post on the bad boy thread), yet inevitably you dont sound like one.

contradictions, contradictions.

[flvegan]

11. I can tell you

that the only time I was ever handcuffed was as a result of how I reacted to something a male did to a female. So I guess it might go either way, depending on how you look at it.

Mileage always varies, of course.

[seabeyond]

22. well, see.... lol, this is what i am saying. nt

[LeftyMom]

28. He's not bad, he's willing to cause trouble for the right reasons.

I happen to think that's the best possible scenario, but I might be biased. :D

[seabeyond]

37. yup.

the thing is, the bad boy image we have is a fun, rebel, not rule following type... and who doesnt like that. well, i guess there are some rule loving people, but.

that is not what they were defining as bad boy though. they were saying asses. mean. that is a whole different thing.

i too call my hubby bad boy on occassion. but it is when he goes out on the limb a little. not treat me disrespectfully

[Catherine Vincent]

9. This person probably really believes this

And it's probably the only way ilk like this fool could ever get laid.

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[Catherine Vincent]

17. My comment wasn't directed toward this multi-million dollar famous sports star nt

[seabeyond]

42. right, cause commenting on a man talking about a drunk girl free game = male hating. nt

[Crystal Clarity]

53. Rape is not about "getting laid"

it is a crime of violence

[EOTE]

75. Rapists rape for all kinds of different reasons.

I have very little reason to doubt this woman's story. Bad Ben seems like an uber-asshole with a tremendous sense of entitlement. Add to that the fact that his face looks like his neck threw up and I can see why he's been in this position more than once. And I know many of the details having read the police report.

[Missy Vixen]

84. If he had "more ass than a toilet seat"

he wouldn't have to pour alcohol down a young woman's throat and force himself on her.

"Man hating"? Give me a break.

:eyes:

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[Berserker]

23. I doubt that ANY

and I mean ANY person on this site thinks that rape is A-OK
But hey that was a nice jab about so called Liberals with thousands of posts.

[Odin2005]

24. No, several posters here have openly stated that drunk women are fair game.

I could name names, but that would violate DU rules.

[Berserker]

25. Fair game

as in getting laid I see no problem. But let's take the rape thing off the table until proven. Not a single person on this site says rape is A-OK.

[Odin2005]

26. A year ago there was a thread about a date-rape scene in the movie "Observe and Report".

In the scene the protagonist fucks a passed-out drunk woman and several posters said it was not rape. That thread shocked and horrified me beyond belief, especially since a good friend of mind had been raped just a week before the thread started.

[muffin1]

39. And there was similar thread

just a couple of months ago where the same argument was made.

[redqueen]

50. Argh

:banghead:

Why am I even surprised, really... x(

[Maru Kitteh]

27. Odin is correct - DU'ers have indeed excused rape - up to and including forcible child rape.

I have seen it on more than one occasion.

[Berserker]

30. Please

when you see this alert the mods. And please for me show me what you are talking about. I want to see this.

[Odin2005]

31. Remember the Roman Polanski threads?

There is your defending of child rape right there.

[redqueen]

51. *crickets*

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[NashVegas]

71. Google Search Is Your Friend

Did you know you can do that all by yourself, now? Do an advance search using site-specific (democraticunderground.com) key phrases, such as "fair game" "polanski."

[seabeyond]

72. posters have done this for deniers in the past. once effort put in, ignored....

dismissed, only for the next time to yell... put up or shut up.

they dont want the truth. they dont want the reality

protect protect protect

[NashVegas]

74. That's Why I Refuse To Go Digging

It's a time waster's trick.

[seabeyond]

79. me too. and i am really bad at searching.

see, you had excellent choice of word that would probably get you to what you want. i am not good at it at all. i work adn search and waste all that time for disappoitment.

then

it is ignored. no thanks.

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[redqueen]

81. There are different levels of drunkenness.

Once the person is unable to stand up or speak coherently, IMO having sex with that person is rape.

[seabeyond]

82. or passed out. that is what odin was refering to with the movie. the woman

threw up outside home. see the man doing her while she is unconscious. he stops. she wakes up and says why did you stop. passes out. he fucks her. and posters argued that isnt rape. there was consent.

i used that movie, the discussion thread when my 12 yr old son and i were discussing date rape adn what not to do. go figure. covered that scenerio. put a check by it.

[chrisa]

14. That's pretty much the attitude that our entire culture has.

[Shell Beau]

15. Lovely. Just lovely. People like that everywhere probably.

[REP]

18. She had boobs and a vag. She was ASKING for it! Sheesh, people!

[devilgrrl]

19. I don't even know how to respond to something that barbaric

:puke:

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[Xenotime]

21. And the rich get richer.

[hughee99]

29. If she can be talked out of her panties, she may be fair game...

if you have your "bodyguards" drag her to the bathroom so you can assault her, that's not the same game. If Roethlisburger just talked a woman out of her panties, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Berserker]

32. If that is true

Having "bodyguards" drag her to the bathroom. He should be on his way to prison and not just slapped with a few games he won't play in.

[hughee99]

34. If the woman were willing to cooperate with the DA

I suspect charges would have been filed. According to some, she was carried, the bodyguards referred to it as essentially "escorting her to the ladies room" but in either case, with no witnesses to the actual assault and a victim unwilling to testify, it can be very difficult for a prosecutor to make a case.

There are many reasons the victim may not want to cooperate, from personal to witness tampering (which I suspect may be the case), but without her, you have a DA involved in a high profile prosecution that they really can't win.

[LeftyMom]

33. How dare a woman be drunk in a bar????

:eyes:

[Toucano]

35. Reality challenges an awful lot of people. n/t

[Berry Cool]

36. We don't claim it's OK to rob a man of his wallet just because he's drunk

but if a woman gets drunk and a man then has sex with her, whether or not she gave consent seems to be beside the point to some people. They seem to believe that it's her responsibility to make sure she stays sober enough not to have a man force her into sex she doesn't want, whereas it's not the man's responsibility not to take advantage of her incapacity to rape her. 'Cause, see, he has a penis, he can't help it, it wants what it wants.

*sigh*

[DailyGrind51]

38. "When there is an inequality of power, there can be no consent!"

[Lance_Boyle]

83. Does that mean nobody ever really consents to a car search,

because there is most certainly an imbalance of power between the policeman and the pulled-over driver...

I'm pretty sure the courts recognize that consent as valid, though.

[RadiationTherapy]

40. I will automatically confront anyone I hear speak this way.

Anyone, anytime, anywhere. I don't mean violence; I mean confront this idea.

[seabeyond]

41. this is the really important part of what males, especially males, have got to do

when i say males in general have issue, and it is an issue for males as a whole, this is what i am talking about, what i teach my sons. a man cannot let this go by unchallenged. men listen to men way more than women. if a man says something like this to a group of his male friends, and it isnt challenged, it is giving a nod of acceptance.

if a man says... wtf fuck dude

and use any of the arguments on this thread, well...

you being a man know the effect

so good for you and thank you

[TransitJohn]

44. So, men practicing violence on men=good

but men practicing violence on women=bad. Gotcha. :eyes:

[seabeyond]

45. ah, the word challenge ='s violence to you, does it. i was thinking more, speak up, speak out

being a pacifist myself, violence wasn't even in the equation

what an absurd post you wrote.

carry on

[RadiationTherapy]

49. I mention that it would not be violent.

I thought the word 'confront' was a good choice. I have this problem with 'argue/argument' with my wife; I consider it an exchange of ideas, she thinks it is an emotionally intense wordfight. So when I tell people we 'argued' about something, she corrects me and says 'we didn't argue'. Then I say 'I don't want to argue this' and she says 'I am not arguing!'

Funny, right?

[seabeyond]

54. ha ha. yes. you said non violent. and i said "talk". and the poster took to violence

it was a stupid post and he purposely did that so he would not have to take any personal responsibility for his gender. allow his gender to be the "victim" and dismiss me to "male hating". not so subtle.

but i hear you on the word thing.

[Caliman73]

77. Confront is a fine word.

Confrontations do not have to be violent. I have confronted people who think this way many times without resorting to violence. I also agree with you about arguments. You can have an argument without having a fight. My wife calls me "Mr. Semantics" because I do the same thing. :toast:

[RadiationTherapy]

48. I took the time to specifically indicate it would not be violent.

I know how to communicate with people. I know that one has to ask questions and plant seeds and that changes don't occur every night. The type of person who would believe or live by the assertion in the OP is unlikely to change behaviors from a beat-down. They would probably sublimate the experience into other types of aggression, to be completely speculative.

[seabeyond]

55. i took the time to specifically give examples of how to communicate

a challenge.

any number of the example being given on this thread

[lukasahero]

"men listen to men way more than women"

The problem might really stop if someday men listened to women just as much as they listened to men.

We will never be equal until we are treated as equal.

[seabeyond]

63. men do everything and so much for other males. it can also be said, that women

do so much for other females.

i dont expect to change that format.

i feel that christians tend to listen to a christian more, ergo, as a christian, it is my responsibility to speak out to the christians that promote hate, or unchristian beliefs.

repugs listen to repugs more, so i feel it is repug position to speak out to the wrongs of repugs, more so than others.

[marshall]

43. It's another twist on the Kobe Bryant defense

Blaming the victim for "asking" for it.

[raccoon]

46. Sad to say, many people believe this, so a young woman drinking heavily should either

do it at home or accompanied by friend(s) who will look out for her.

[BlueIris]

47. How dare a woman refuse a man sex under any circumstances? Especially if she's drunk.

I mean, my god, what else are women for?

[w8liftinglady]

52. I used to barhop a lot when I was young...a question

I have seen many older,more experienced men "get girls drunk"-drinking age was 18 at the time.And,yes-I am a feminist and do not condone this behavior.I have seen the opposite,however-a woman being very aggressive sexually with a man-does the same standard apply?

Does it qualify as rape when the woman is the aggressor and gropes a man?

[RadiationTherapy]

56. It qualifies as long as there is not a possibility for mutual consent.

children and animals and unconscious people - cannot consent; drunk or high - consent is debateable (high risk in a court of law)

Society is more lenient about woman on man rape/assault though.

[w8liftinglady]

62. which is my point-is this an "equal" law?

I am a feminist,but also the mother of three sons.I do find it offensive when the assumption is made that only straight men are the offenders.It assumes that straight men,gay men and lesbians can not be sexually assaulted-or their assaults are minimized in the public's eye

[seabeyond]

64. i am a mother of 2 sons and though sons and i have discussion on how

it is not only males, the very strong majority are ergo, we have to factor that into conversation as a reality. and what their responsibility is as a gender as a whole. just as i feel they have a responsibility as a white person even though they themselves arent bigots.

[w8liftinglady]

68. reported assault-I agree-some stats from RAINN

http://www.rainn.org/statistics
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•In 2003, 1 in every ten rape victims were male.2
•2.78 million men in the U.S. have been victims of sexual assault or rape.1

[seabeyond]

70. ah. come on w8. i am not going to get into this petty argument. anyone fucking anyone against

anyones will is a fuckin rapist. now who are raping those men. MEN.

i dont need to have a fukin pissin match on who is being raped more.

[redqueen]

73. I wonder how many are raped by women.

A teensy-eensy-weensy-itty-bitty percentage... but BY GOD THAT MUST BE POINTED OUT IN ANY THREAD ABOUT RAPE! WOMEN DO IT TOO!

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

80. exactly redqueen. nt

[Bunny]

57. Is 'groping' the same as forced penetration?

Would you really call 'groping' rape? Really?

[seabeyond]

58. exactly. and just so the obvious is said out loud. if a woman is groping a man that does NOT

want to be groped, she is in the same place as a man that gropes females who dont want it.

both trash

does everyone feel better

there were always the few girls that would grope the guy to embarrass the guy. she was just as much a creep and into power play as a guy would be. no difference in the reasons. no difference in the victimization, per gender

[redqueen]

59. That jumped out at me, too.

I figured she mistyped, cause damn.

[w8liftinglady]

66. I'll refer you to this DU thread-you tell me- is it sexual violence to shove your hand

down a man's pants?is their any difference between that and shoving your hand up a woman's skirt?Grabbing her breasts?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4347772&mesg_id=4347772

[Bunny]

69. Any of that can be considered sexual assault. But you used the word 'rape'.

I do not consider those actions rape.

[cbdo2007]

60. I can't believe one anonymous idiots post can get people so worked up.

It's always interesting how 99% of people are mostly normal but then one wacko goes and says something crazy and people play right into it and are shocked.

Here's a tip - on any message board, comments section, whatever - the most shocking things you read aren't real. They are made up by people who enjoy the anonimity (sp?) of being able to say the most insane, crazy thing in the universe knowing people will get worked up and upset about it.

[Bunny]

61. Well, thanks for the tip sonny, but I've seen comments like this

often enough right here on DU to realize that these are far from the words of one random lone wacko.

[seabeyond]

67. except it isnt just one comment and it is a discussion on a discussion board.

if you are clever enough, you will see people on this very thread minimizing the comment. kinda the dismissive attitude of yours (male) to this very subject.

though you are not cheering his comment, you very post is a dismissing of a very real issue