Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

With all this talk about Catholics, how do you feel with the SCOTUS being majority Catholic?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:21 PM
Original message
With all this talk about Catholics, how do you feel with the SCOTUS being majority Catholic?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
1. If they reflected the diversity of US Catholics, I wouldn't mind but 4 outta 5 are right wing cranks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Exactly. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
2. poor planning on presidents' part. biased by default nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. The one Obama appointed was born Catholic but it's not clear she's practicing now.
And if she's is, she's liberal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. I wondered about her. I assumed she was CAtholic, but I didn't know for sure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. That concerns me a little.
Could the conservatives have more influence over a liberal Catholic based on coming from the same faith tradition? Does that make the liberal more susceptible to becoming a swing vote in the wrong direction?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. The whole Catholic thing worries me in abortion cases.
My best friend is a big Catholic and she is 100% for the right to choose. So, I know there are many practicing CAtholics that don't agree with all of the Catholic preachings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Human nature being what it is
I'd almost like to see another pro-choice Catholic on the court to reinforce the one there now. That way no one is getting ganged up on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. More Catholics are pro-choice than pro-life. The hierarchy isn't happy about that,
but that's the way it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. The funny thing about my best friend who is pro-choice, she
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 09:25 PM by Shell Beau
doesn't use any contraception. So weird, but it is her prerogative.

I feel like you understand since you are Catholic that I meant she is against using contraceptives because of her religious beliefs. Just wanted to clarify that. She does have 4 children (we are 31). All were planned. So, whatever she does for BC works for her. I wouldn't chance it, but that is me, and I am not Catholic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
29. I think you're underestimating Justice Sotomayor. Nothing I've heard about her
tells me that she'll allow any of the conservative Catholics to sway her in their direction. In fact, I think she might be better positioned to argue against them than someone who doesn't understand them as well as she does. She won't get sucked in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:23 PM
Response to Original message
3. I don't like it, especially because all but one are from the conservative wing
of the Church.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:23 PM
Response to Original message
5. 6 out of 9 is too many.
The Opus Dei tools like Scalia, even ONE is too many.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. I disagree about 1 being too many, but I feel we should have some
diversity there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. I wasn't saying that one Catholic is too many.
But Opus Dei, that's different. They're dominionist fascists. They believe they are here to bring about the "kingdom of God", which is in blatant contradiction with the constitutional duties of a Supreme Court Justice. I would say the same thing about a Protestant dominionist Justice (the type we would be likely to get if Palin or Bachmann - God forbid- were ever pResident)

Scalia is definitely Opus Dei (not to mention the literal son of an Italian fascist) and I believe Alito is also. Not sure about the others, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the Bush Crime Family appointed Catholics were. I'm reasonably certain Sotomayor is not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Ohhh! I gotcha! I agree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
31. He was saying that one from Opus Dei is too many, and I'd agree with that.
Opus Dei is a highly secretive organization of right-wingers. I'm not happy about any of them being on the Supreme Court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:23 PM
Response to Original message
6. Time for an atheist on the court..
We have a black POTUS, why not an atheist on the SCOTUS?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I have no problem with that at all. I am a Christian, but since
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 08:27 PM by Shell Beau
religious beliefs should have no bearing at all on their decisions, I don't care what religious background, if any, they have. I think it should be diverse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Thank you, you are in a distinct minority though.. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:24 PM
Response to Original message
8. Majority Catholic RW males.... now that bugs me
Sotomayor, being Catholic--not really. It isn't the Catholocism per se--it is the misogyny, patriarchy, right wing fundamentalism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:34 PM
Response to Original message
16. Is it currently?
Or would it be only if he picks another Catholic?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. I think even if he doesn't pick another Catholic, it will be majority
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM by Shell Beau
CAtholic. I think Stevens is protestant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. True -- six of the current nine are Catholic.
Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Kennedy and Sotomayor are all Catholics, while Breyer and Ginsburg are Jewish.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. That's what I thought. 2 Jewish and the rest Catholic minus Stevens.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM
Response to Original message
17. You do know that HALF of all Catholics who have ever served on the court are on it now.

maybe one day we can let them have a "Protestant seat," on the court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. hahaha
A single protestant seat would be seriously awesome. But I'd like a separate Quaker seat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM
Response to Original message
18. Meh. I don't really care if they're all Catholic.
Or Jewish. Or Muslim. Or Zoroastrian. I care about how they interpret constitutional law. Period. If their religion affects their judgment -- as it very well may in a couple of the more pro-life Catholics on the SCOTUS -- then that's a problem. I'd have a similar problem if a Muslim justice started basing opinions on sharia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. That is basically my point I guess.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 08:40 PM by Shell Beau
Do they use their personal religious beliefs? It would be hard not to. Personal feelings are bound to come into play when making decisions. That is why I want diversity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. I disagree. It's easy for personal feelings not to affect court decisions.
At least, if you're a good judge. Personal feelings are most certainly not bound to come into play when making a decision. If they do, you don't belong on the bench.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. I hope so. But again, human nature being just that....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. Yeah, I know. But I've known a couple judges, and they'd be hugely offended...
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 09:13 PM by SteppingRazor
by even the suggestion that they'd let outside influences color rulings in cases. It's a really big deal for them. That said, I certainly would allow for the fact that it happens some of the time, if not many times. I just disagree that it happens all the time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. I know. My mom is a court reporter and she has worked for many judges.
Sometimes she can see some personal bias come in but not often.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. I agree with that. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:15 PM
Response to Original message
35. Sucks?!1 Does my lapsed answer COUNT?11 n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:15 PM
Response to Original message
36. It is obscene that so many justices are Catholic.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 09:17 PM by TexasObserver
It is an organization that is completely lacking in democratic ideals. It's terribly sexist and homophobic. It helps keep poor people poor. It causes births where such births only add to the misery. How can so many justices with that religion as their guidepost be expected to rule as anything that remotely takes into account the way the majority of Americans think?

We have two religions overrepresented on the court, and that's not good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
38. I always thought Mario Cuomo would have been a great SCOTUS judge.
He is Catholic, personally against abortion but doesn't believe that the government has jurisdiction over a woman's body.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC