Boy did Obama really step in it...

[arcadian]

Oil rig sinks off Louisiana.



Happy Earth Day! Let's open the Virginia coast to drilling!

[ShortnFiery]

1. Yes, and build THREE new Nuclear Reactors that can secondarily serve as

terrorist targets if they don't melt down on their own and maim/kill thousands of people ... PLUS leave the area inhabitable? Yippee!

We don't know yet the awful extent of this oil spill. :scared:

[no limit]

2. Except that nuclear reactors don't explode, nor have serious accidents

Before you laugh name one serious accident in this country, ever.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Yes they do have leaks ... they are also one big MONEY PIT to build and years before they're

online.

http://www.grist.org/article/cohen1/

Let's begin with dangerous, setting aside the obvious problems raised by Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. In the past few years, we have seen the horror that suicide bombers set loose in restaurants from Tel Aviv to Baghdad, and the danger of jets flying into skyscrapers. Do we really want to see what happens if a terrorist attacks a nuclear power plant? Are we so arrogant as to believe that these facilities are not already tempting, and vulnerable, targets?

Let's move on to complicated. The primary waste product of nuclear power, spent fuel rods, remains toxic for thousands of years. We do not yet know how to detoxify these waste products and, despite 20-some years of trying, we have not yet been able to establish a long-term repository anywhere in the United States.

Money is not the issue. We have the resources to build a nuclear-waste storage facility -- under the Nuclear Waste Policy Act, customers of nuclear-generated electricity have been paying a $0.001 per kilowatt-hour fee on their electric bills since 1983. Utilities pass the money into an account that has generated $24 billion over the years. Despite assurances that the proposed repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada will last longer than the waste will be toxic, serious failings in storage technology and the risks of transportation have resulted in widespread opposition. Today, our nuclear waste goes into "spent fuel pools" at nuclear power plants like the one at Indian Point, just 35 miles north of New York City.

If the problem of detoxifying waste is beyond current technology -- which is why we need to store it for thousands of years -- what about the technology of power generation? The MIT study acknowledges that no power plant can be made risk-free. In reality, all technology carries risks. When we drive on an interstate highway, we face the risk of a crash. We accept the risk because it is relatively low, and because the effect of the risk is localized. A mistake in a nuclear power plant, however, can cause long-standing, widespread damage to people and ecosystems. Just ask the people who survived Chernobyl. The risk may be low, but the potential impact is high.

[no limit]

61. So the answer is you can't name a single major accident. Instead you yell Terra, Terra!!!!

[leeroysphitz]

77. Awesome. n/t

[saigon68]

123. DRILL BABY DRILL

[leeroysphitz]

127. The energy has to come from somewhere, man.

It just does.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

132. brilliant analysis

are you SURE there is no natural, easy-to-grow, clean-burning crop we could use for bio-fuel? Hell, maybe there is even one that improves soil conditions for food crops when rotated through....

Of course not! If a plant like that existed, we would now about it and it would be legal, right?

[shadowknows69]

135. For the win.

[unkachuck]

84. exactly....

....and don't forget, they're quietly killing us with food in this country; how do we know they're NOT killing us with nuclear energy? We don't, and they probably are....

[truedelphi]

27. Uh, maybe you were out of the Country when Three Mile Island

Had explosions in its containment chambers.

A matter that was hushed up, But Sen Charles Percy of Illinois sent me the documents.

Had those chambers not been built to standard (Something that is often a rarity in the nuke construction business) we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. I and many others alive at the time might be dead of cancer or worse.

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63. An accident that didn't really kill anyone. Ok some studies showed maybe 2 deaths from cancer

So 2 possible deaths in our history. This one single oil rig explosion killed how many? How many people die each year from the polution of coal power plants and gasoline engines? How many from natural gas?

This happened over 30 years ago and the plant had ancient technology.

[gleaner]

78. If it had not been for quick action on the part ...

of the plant workers the core would have melted down. Then a lot of people would have died. The potential is there and it is silly to pretend it isn't when there are safer ways to obtain power. Would you drive a Toyota now? They used to be very reliable cars. Then they went to the new computer driven technology. New technology does not equate with safety. It is simply newer.

Also, don't forget the giant mutant sponges around San Onofre. They come for people who do not believe nuclear power can be harmful while they are sleeping and dreaming of pink mushroom clouds. Splop,splop, splop, squish.......:evilgrin:

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92. Toyota decided to cut corners and our regulators let them because they were asleep at the wheel

And there is potential for anything. Obama could potentially be a secret Muslim from Kenya. The freepers might really be brillient and we just don't see it.

But you can't go off potential, you have to go off evidance. And the evidance we have for nuclear power points to it being extremely safe. Yes, there are safer ways to obtain power but those ways still have a ways to go before they can replace all our energy. And when you look at nuclear vs coal vs oil vs natural gas nuclear has proven it self to be a lot more reliable, a lot cleaner, and a lot safer.

[gleaner]

120. I don't agree .....

I don't think nuclear power is safe. There is the potential for great destruction just as there was at Chernobyl. Just because it has not happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. Three Mile Island was a huge disaster averted by human action or Harrisburg Pennsylvania would no longer exist. Radioactive materials cause damage for years. In Hanford Washington, the reactor was leaking water. Water is used to cool the core. It is supposed to be cleansed and purified of radioactive waste before it is finally released, but who knows where the leak occurred? No one was saying. Radioactive material causes genetic mutations in species of life from plants to humans to, well, sponges. Radiation sickness is horrific and cannot be treated. Look at the pictures of the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and it will give you an idea. Toyota may or may not have tampered with their computers. I have heard conflicting reports, but if they had not had the computers in the first place and had found an alternate way to control the functioning of their vehicles that was less expensive for the consumer to begin with, that would be moot. New technology is not flawless. We should go on creating and growing but not assume that just because something is newly made it is very safe.

As to alternate sources? I wasn't referring to fossil fuels. They are polluting and finite and they cause us to depend too much on the resources of other nations when we should be self sufficient. I was referring to solar power and wind power to start with. Before you get the scoff out, think of driving into Palm Springs and seeing all those wind generators that look like white propellers turning briskly. It is always windy in the area where they stand and that wind transforms into a great deal of clean power for the surrounding area. In LA in the 70s there were a lot of people who had solar panels on their roofs to heat their swimming pools. They did an excellent job since it is sunny here most of the time.

They disappeared when the swimming pools did. The swimming pools were too expensive to maintain, not the solar panels. No one ever explored their potential, but even our power company tells us that if we could install one on the south facing roof of our garage we could cut our power draw from them to the bone. The initial expense would be impossible though, because solar panels are rare and there is not a ton of profit in developing them. That seems to be all people are interested in. I'm sure there are other "green" fuel sources which we could explore to put them in the reach of people who are not richer than God, and which are not potentially hazardous and which are not hard on the environment. Whey not look for those?

[Recursion]

107. How many die from hydrocarbon wars?

Several thousand Americans, and several million people whose patch of sand had the misfortune of being over those hydrocarbons.

[truedelphi]

121. Granted, newer technology has come aboard. But Greed and Corruption

Are the main components behind every one of these energy related calamities.

No matter how great a technology exists, here in the States, the G & C factor is such that I want us to leave nuclear alone. As when the forces of Greed and Corruption impact us in terms of Nuclear technology, we can clearly see the results - You do remember how entire sections of the Ukraine became unlivable, don't you?

While a nation will mourn the deaths of the dozen or two people who die when the Greed and Corruption at Coal And Oil companies blows up in our faces, a nation can be DESTROYED when those forces are allowed to play with everyone's lives via nuclear power.

And even if Greed and Corruption were to be somehow taken out of the equation, you still have the number one reason for a society to NOT embrace nuke power - and that is the storage factor.

[AndyA]

32. Have you ever heard of Three Mile Island?

And why limit it to this country? Ask the folks in Chernobyl about how it can never happen.

Oh wait...there aren't any people in Chernobyl, and many who were there are dead now.

Thanks for playing, you fail. Next!

[greencharlie]

47. with 40 year old technology...

A modern, 21st century nuclear power plant is safe as can be...

[AndyA]

50. Famous last words.

Once an accident happens, it's too late.

A corner cut here, an inattentive employee there, that's all it takes.

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64. Why hasn't it happened since the 1970s? And in that accident no more than 2 people possibly died

[bobbolink]

66. Damned good thing for you that many cancers don't show up for YEARs, eh?

:crazy:

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68. It was in the 1970s. They would have shown up by now.

[bobbolink]

70. And, of course, we would ALL have known about it.

:eyes:

you are "talking" to someone who grew up in Los Alamos. I KNOW the cancers that are caused by radioactive materials.

It ain't pretty.

But, keep pushing it... hope your grandchildren don't end up paying the price.

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86. And you are talking to someone that contracts with Los Alamos National Labs, Im up there every week

does that make me an expert?

And let me get this streight, the other thing you are saying is that the Jimmy Carter administration covered up the real damage of Three Mile Island?

[AndyA]

94. Ah...so now we know.

Your livelihood depends on this industry, so naturally you're going to promote it as being safe.

Continue to think only of yourself, that's what got us into this mess in the first place.

Thanks, but no sale. :eyes:

[no limit]

98. Lol wut??? My work with electronics in particle accelerators makes me an industry shill?

Becareful, your arrogance is showing.

[madokie]

100. No the nuclear power industry covered it up

And don't be dissing President Carter ya' hear.

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104. So Carter, as the president had absolutely no control over any of this?

Lol

[bobbolink]

122. Do you talk to all the people with cancer? Do you have any clue about the cancer rate there?

Being there once a week, if you actuallyy are, means NOTHING.

I KNOW the people, I KNOW those who have died of cancer because of the radioactivity.

I never said anything about Carter, so get off my case and grow a heart.

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126. Do you have anything to back up that Los Alamos has higher cancer rates?

I KNOW people in Albuquerque that have cancer too, does that mean anything to you? No, it means NOTHING. Because where ever you live people will have cancer, that's the way of life.

In fact I would love for you to ask the residents of Los Alamos if they want to get rid of the lab there, see what they say.

[SidDithers]

134. ...

b-r-e-a-t-h-e


Sid

[closeupready]

96. Until changes make them 'safer'.

n/t

[madokie]

99. Which begs the question of

Just how safe is 'can be'?

[Orsino]

111. "Safe as can be" does not equate to "safe"...

...and "safe as can be" ignores the problem of waste containment.

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115. The issue is what are the alternatives.

And at this time renewables are not a viable options, not for a number of decades down the road. Nuclear is here today, it is cleaner than coal, oil, or gas. And it is perfectly safe as proven by it's safe track record.

[Orsino]

118. There is no such thing as "perfectly safe." It's not possible.

And the waste products are still deadly.

We might as well say that we were perfectly safe from al-Qaeda, too, right up until September tenth.

Whatever risks are inherent in today's nuke plants will be magnified as we build out to replace coal and other sources. When it's done faster-better-cheaper by private industry, I'll guarantee accidents. The very thing that makes nuclear power unsafe is the thing that makes it so attractive: it's concentrated energy.

[no limit]

119. Not a single serious accident in the history of nuclear power in this country.

and in the world there were a couple because of shitty governments. The record speaks for itself. You can gurantee accidents but your gurantee doesn't overshadow the actual facts of the matter.

Yes, waste is an issue. But atleast that waste is controller, it doesn't fill our atmosphere with crap.

[Orsino]

124. The waste is a time bomb. n/t

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125. I think the CO2 is a much bigger much more dangerous time bomb. Ask the polar bears n/t

[Orsino]

129. They both are, for millennia to come. So, let's drop the word "safe." n/t

[madokie]

89. The nuclear power industry does not admit to anything even close to the truth

but that doesn't make it true what you said. TMI for starters and if you try to counter that with more nuclear power bullshit it will go in the shit pile like the rest of their bullshit does.

[no limit]

93. So you are saying reactors blow up we just don't hear about it? Really?

And Three mile island I already explain above. It happened over 30 years ago. The plan had ancient technology. 2 people at most died many years later. How many died just off this one oil rig explosion?

[madokie]

95. No limit to trying to gloss over the dangers of nuclear power and their lack of truth

excuses and more excuses. The story is always the same, obfuscate then when that doesn't take root out right lie. MO of the nuclear power industry, always have been and apparently always will be. You want to like nukes go for it but many of us don't buy the shit they shovel. Fools and small minded people are easy. Where do you fit in on that?

[no limit]

97. Calling me a liar, An Idiot and a fool. Without anything to back up what you are saying

stay classy.

[madokie]

101. Always first class thank you

call'm how I see'm

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102. You know who else prides themselves in ignorance right? Ahh never mind

enjoy your bubble. Anyone outside of it is a liar and an idiot, even if you can't explain why.

[madokie]

105. Explaining anything to you would be a waste of time

there is no one as blind as the one who chooses to not see.

[no limit]

106. Yeah, you are a secret genius, you just don't want to explain why right now

I got it. Like I said, enjoy your bubble. Have a good one.

[madokie]

109. As I was saying

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114. You so smart! I'm in absolute awe of your amazing intelligence

Thank God for smart people like you to set all of us lying idiots straight. Don't know what we would do without you, I probably wouldn't be able to recognize my left from my right.

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[Rex]

4. I agree, he should have personally flown out and put the fire out with his hands!

Doesn't he have ice-breath like superpowers!?

[arcadian]

8. You jest

however you can not deny that is bad all around for a President who just expanded oil drilling off our coasts to have an oil rig exploded and sink on Earth Day.

[Rex]

19. Actually I think he took the Repukes baby away from them and

yeah, now he will have to deal with the consequenses. I don't think they will be as big as everyone here is making them out to be. Unless I missed a lifetime of fairness in government and reporting...ohhh right Dem not Rep, yeah Obama is screwed. Look for news stations everywhere to be calling for his blood.

[gratuitous]

5. It's that multi-level Vulcan chess

He proposed more offshore drilling then had sappers bomb a rig off of Louisiana to turn public opinion against more offshore drilling. Devious AND brilliant!

Okay, I'm kidding; but how long do you suppose it will be before this very sentiment is proposed in all seriousness?

[tekisui]

6. Any moment now.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Actually that could very well be true

Obama is a brilliant man...underestimate him at your peril.

[leeroysphitz]

79. You think te Obama admin may have bombed an oil rig and kiled Americans?

Neat.

[Cali_Democrat]

128. No

I was having a little fun. :hi:

[katandmoon]

7. Just remember: Bush does it=BAD. Obama does it=GOOD.

[earth mom]

14. Yep, it's ALL GOOD when Obama does it.

:puke:

[Hutzpa]

52. What an assardary thing to say. n/t

[Whisp]

69. you have to consider at least one of those asses

is here just to be one. amazing repub crap coming out of that yap. and constant. not a bad day here and there, but CONSTANT.

[Scurrilous]

9. When did DU turn into FreeRepublic?

:shrug:

[arcadian]

13. You want everybody to lock step while wearing blinders?

THAT, is Freerepublic.

[earth mom]

15. When Obama was elected. nt

[smoogatz]

22. When Hillary lost the nomination, is more like it. nt

[Arkana]

40. +1.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

51. Some of us complaining about Obama voted for him because --

he WASN'T Hillary. Just sayin'...

[Bluebear]

53. You can't convince a broken record of anything.

[madokie]

103. You got it

I was all for a hill presidency until I found this place and started reading what that would mean. I voted for Obama twice now and will again. That you can take to the bank cause its a given.
The smartest man to hold the office of the Presidency in my lifetime of 62 years. Not to mention his integrity, his honesty and his morals

[Individualist]

17. When loyalists began defending the President regardless of what he did.

[Subdivisions]

80. BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

21. Yes, we can't complain about President Obama promoting "Drill Baby Drill!" when

this oil rig is GUSHING THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF OIL.

But but but, nothing like this has happened before? Welcome to our future?


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-moving-to-contain-leak-at-sunken-rig-2010-04-22
BP (BP 59.49, -0.06, -0.11%) said Thursday it activated its oil spill response team to address a leak at the sunken Deepwater Horizon rig, which went down in the Gulf of Mexico, 130 miles southeast of New Orleans. BP said it's initiated a plan for the drilling of a relief well, if required. "We are determined to do everything in our power to contain this oil spill and resolve the situation as rapidly, safely and effectively as possible," said BP CEO Tony Hayward. "We have assembled and are now deploying world-class facilities, resources and expertise, and can call on more if needed. There should be no doubt of our resolve to limit the escape of oil and protect the marine and coastal environments from its effects."

[frylock]

55. party over principle?

or....

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[no limit]

67. I don't think you have a sense of the absolutely hilarious irony behind your reply.

[earth mom]

12. I see the deniers are alive and well on this thread.

How can they live with their conscience and not give a damn what happens to our mother earth?!

[BlueIris]

74. Oh, the deniers are orgasmic today.

And most days. They're ignorance is like a drug to them.

[notadmblnd]

16. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

[arcadian]

23. Please explain

You deny an oil rig exploded and is leaking tens of thousands of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico on Earth Day and that Obama just expanded oil drilling rights off the East Coast of the United States? Go ahead, prove me wrong, I'd like to see this.

[notadmblnd]

73. This is not Obama's fault. So, I don't see how he stepped in it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Damn shame this didn't happen in Canada or Saudi Arabia.

Where we don't complain about the oil drilling.

[Robb]

20. Fortunately the bodies of the 11 killed haven't been recovered from the ocean yet

....lest you be accused of politicizing the event before the bodies were cold.

They're cold already, you see.

[SidDithers]

24. +1...nt

Sid

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[ShortnFiery]

26. We're presently addressing the Oil Spillage which will be devastating to many living entities

in the very near future.

However, it would be thoughtful to start a separate thread to honor those who were working on the Oil Rig? Please, feel free to do so - it would be a kind act of remembrance.

[Bluebear]

44. When did you become so cheap?

[CakeGrrl]

28. Dumb OP

If there's an accident at a solar panel factory, are you going to blame him for talking up green jobs? Should we scuttle those initiatives when that happens?

:wtf:

Dumb. Logic fail. It's clear you don't like the job he's doing, but make an argument that makes sense.

[arcadian]

30. Regardless of what you think of me...

This looks really bad for President Obama, to have an oil rig sink on Earth day spewing tens of hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil in the Gulf, after promoting offshore oil drilling. If you fail to see that, then you need to take off your rose colored glasses.

[CakeGrrl]

36. I was referring to the CONTENT of your post

not you personally.

I don't agree with the association you're making. It was a shitty accident, just as the WV mine disaster was.

But realistically? Are we going to pull all our oil rigs? No. Ask the drillers if they support that. Ask the miners if they want to stop all mining immediately or if they're going to quit their paying jobs.

All I see is knee-jerk association of the President to something negative. I'm just observing that it's a steady pattern here.

[frylock]

56. i guess we'll have to wait until millions of gallons of solar are pouring into the ocean

until i'm able to make an assessment.

[tekisui]

81. .

:spray:

[Bluebear]

85. +

[tomm2thumbs]

91. 2 ways to look at it

I actually didn't see the post as blaming Obama so much. Given the analogy, it isn't like the dogshit is his, he just stepped in it... but I can see your point as well so call me in the middle on whether he is stuck to the issue enough to have the stink follow him or not. It would have been nicer to have him on the other side of the issue when this happened and be able to be using it as a defense of his position, that's for sure.

perhaps this gives him a bit of an out to deal with it as well

[AndyA]

29. 8,000 barrels of crude oil a day

The well could be spilling up to 8,000 barrels of crude oil a day, the Coast Guard said, and the rig carried 700,000 gallons of diesel fuel.

Good going, Barack. So much for the environment.

[namahage]

31. Yes, because Obama was responsible for building that rig. n/t

[AndyA]

33. What a stupid thing to say.

Accidents DO happen, obviously.

The more rigs, the better the chances. Try again. :eyes:

[arcadian]

34. Doesn't matter

One of his big policy issues presently is off shore oil drilling. And to have this happen on Earth Day, it's really bad.

[FiveGoodMen]

35. Is he or isn't he responsible for recent plans to build more of these?

[CakeGrrl]

37. Planes, trains and automobiles all crash. Ships sink. Space shuttles can explode.

Shall we stop building them?

As I've said upthread, the only thing that makes sense in this argument is that the OP is trying to tag the President with yet another negative association, as they seem to do on a regular basis.

[arcadian]

38. You fail to see the perfect storm of the severity of these events

for President Obama and for his offshore drilling policy.

[JuniperLea]

43. You do understand that the drilling he's approved...

Will take years of planning before it can be implemented?

[CakeGrrl]

46. No, I think you fail to understand the game he has to play with Congress

Drilling isn't going away because of this accident any more than it has done in the wake of any previous mishap. Let's at least agree on that.

President Obama has gone into the Republican's backyard and staked a position that will make them hypocrites and double-talkers to oppose, and he knows it.

I also believe he knows quite well that they're pathologically committed to opposing any position he takes.

The game is still in play. It's unfortunate that it needs to be played in the first place.

[Whisp]

71. why don't you spend this excess Obama hate energy on the people that built the rig

and maintained it.

maybe that would be more productive rather to make it sound like Obama pulled some kind of plug and made this all happen.

I wouldn't be suprised if this was a tampered with situation, an accident made to happen what with the coincidence of Earth Day and Obama's latest on drilling. If so called democrats want to claw his eyes out, imagine what some who really really hate him want to do.

[Whisp]

72. come and fucking bellyache when THEY ARE ACTUALLY BUILT...

and in the meantime to wear off that enraged bile you have, why don't you find out what really happened there and if it could have been prevented. Maybe maintenance was cut short because of budget, maybe it's an asshole owner/super like that Mine CEO in Virginia. do something fucking useful with that thick bile and sputter.

[FiveGoodMen]

116. That's a little like saying, "Don't try to save the patient until he's dead."

[paulsby]

39. what a ridiculous conclusion

oil rigs have accidents.so do cars, coal mines, etc.

[arcadian]

42. You don't think this is bad for Obama's offshore policy?

I do, and a lot of DUers do as well.

[paulsby]

49. no

i think that's as ridiculous as global warming deniers who said this winter "see, it's really cold here. global warming is a crock" or the contrary, we get hurrican katrina and people are like "this proves global warming"

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[Tx4obama]

45. There will be YEARS and YEARS of studies being done & in the end probably no off-shore drilling, BUT

in the meantime what Obama has done is stop Palin from using her 'drill baby drill' BS

[abelenkpe]

59. +1 nt

[LeFleur1]

113. Obama Stops Palin's "Drill Baby Drill"

No, what Obama did was join Palin's chanting group. I don't understand why he said we'd be drilling offshore. Unless the oil mavens made him an offer he couldn't refuse. What other reason would there be?

This kind of tragedy, both human and environmental, is what happens when oil is drilled offshore. One explosion that harms the environmental system and makes it a dead zone is one too many.
Didn't George Herbert Walker Bush drill one of the first oil wells in the gulf? Money is everything to these people.
What is the need to drill offshore...unless all that talk about wind energy, solar energy, ocean wave energy, converting garbage to energy, was bunk.

A car accident doesn't usually imperil our way of life.
The coal mine disasters are usually because the owners didn't follow safety rules, they scoffed at them.
The comparison between those things and an oil rig exploding in the gulf is ludicrous.

Any loss of life is sad. Condolences to those who lost relatives and friends.

[KG]

48. woohoo. on FL gulf coast, we can't wait!

[joeybee12]

54. Hmm, not to many rec's...far too many people here are willing to turn a blind eye

to the travesty that is offshore drilling and Obama's endorsement of it.

[itsrobert]

57. unreccing for implying that Obama stepped in poop

Clearly you made no connection.

[Robb]

75. In fairness, he never said poop.

Perhaps he stepped into a warm, scented foot bath. The kind with the massager in the bottom, I've always wanted one of those. :D

[abelenkpe]

58. You think they'll build more oil rigs

in the areas he opened up?

I can't see that it makes economic sense to do that.

[Dr Morbius]

60. While we dally and blame the President ...

...why didn't we blame him for the mining disaster?

And snowmageddon, and that unpronounceable volcano in Iceland.

Oh, yes, I recall. The Republicans, their attendant media and talking heads, and their religious tools all did blame the President for those things. Now one of "our own" blames the President for an exploding oil rig.

Yeah.

I recall explaining at the time that the President was playing the righties. No one will start any new drilling for well more than a decade off Virginia, and possibly much longer. It's a meaningless commitment for the President to make, because clearly someone else will be President before the first off-shore pylon is sunk. So really, it ain't a big deal what Obama allowed, and I don't think it's fair to blame him for this disaster.

And one hopes the many injured workers get better. Looks like the other eleven won't be found in one piece, sadly.

[Ikonoklast]

65. How did you get to work today?

Unless you walk everywhere, you and all the other hypocrites in this thread can go pound sand.

[ecstatic]

76. This is really disgusting. Shame on you, seriously nt

[redqueen]

112. +1

[lonestarnot]

82. Because some freak isn't making enough oil profit... and how it the Mr. President's fault?

[arcadian]

83. I never said anything was Obama's fault

I said, this will not bode well for his oil drilling policy. Amazing what people will read into things.

[lonestarnot]

87. And your OP?

That's not what it says. :shrug:

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[madokie]

88. This should put a stop to that practice

[tomm2thumbs]

90. so let me get this straight - that whole thing in the picture is now underwater?

geez - that and the oil spilling out from the broken pipelines that used to be attached to it?

swell

[Name removed]

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[Greyhound]

117. We need an irony smiley.

:kick:

[quaker bill]

130. If you are truly upset,

stop buying petroleum products. Otherwise, begin to understand that this stuff comes from the ground, much of it now off-shore where the deposits are located. There is environmental damage associated with its extraction and deaths and injury with drilling it, producing it, refining it, and the use of it. Nothing in this regard has changed, except that it is perhaps a bit safer than it once was. A bit safer does not mean "safe".

Just like coal mines and nuke plants are safer than they once were. This does not mean safe or environmentally clean, or that people don't occasionally die in accidents related to the industry.

If you are really upset, boycott the stuff.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

131. 6-8% of domestic landmass used to farm industrial hemp for biofuel

could make us completely independent of fossil fuels almost overnight. No joke. None of this ever has to happen again.

But those of you who support everything Obama does without question don't seem to think there are other alternatives......but I'm sure you have researched this and are not just blindly following a strong personality......right?

[undertakerlives]

133. Might be unrelated, but since I'm new here...

I think I'm one of few Liberals who thinks global warming is media fearmongering bullshit.

[Bluebear]

136. 'I think I'm one of few Liberals who thinks global warming is media fearmongering bullshit.'

Is that so.