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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:53 PM
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Dhimmitude, an email I received today
I received this today from a friend who finally got tired of me fact checking and debunking her right wing emails. She sent me this one to check out for legitimacy BEFORE she bcc’d it all over Oklahoma.
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My people perish for a lack of knowledge! Who knew and how do you stop it? There is so much more going on behind the scenes we know not of. I think Obama is creating a monster bigger than he is...and it's not beyond biting it's master! Careful, Mr. President!

Dhimmitude - Interesting

I had never heard the word until now---Type it into Google and start reading.Pretty interesting.
Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States.

Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, Ann Barnhardt, a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period.

This is Dhimmitude. Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it - quickly.

Also, please take a look at: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html
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My response:

Very interesting, though what that email leaves out is that the Amish, Scientologist and Christian Scientist COULD I say that lightly, could be exempt right along with the Muslims…

The fact is that the “Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act” (PPACA) passed by congress and signed into law by President Obama does NOT INCLUDE language which specifically exempts members of any particular religion from health insurance requirements. It includes a general “religious conscience” provision which MAY exempt some American from health insurance requirements if they are members of religions which have established conscientious to certain forms of insurance.

Its called the Religious Conscience Exemption, this link explains more. But like it says at the bottom of the page the Health Insurance Mandate Provision of PPACA doesn’t kick in until 2014, and between then and now many changes will likely be launched regarding who might be exempt.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp Snopes determined "Undetermined"

I never knew such an exemption existed, and I am not fond of being schooled by a right winger...how did I not know this? (rhetorical question, no need to answer).
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:58 PM
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1. It's a term coined by one Bat Ye'or I believe and is akin to the Franklin Graham
and Daniel Pipes Islamophobic mind set.


Dhimmitude is akin to Jihadi as a term--made up by folks who don't really know the reality of Islam, but rather spin its history in such a way to feed their hate and the hatred of others.

The mindset is like a cancer that eats its way into the collective soul of humanity.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:00 PM
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2. In practice, MY Muslims lined up for health care where I work
"So, it turns out that observant Muslims are not only strictly forbidden from buying any health insurance under the ObamaCare mandate, but may also not even work for any company that provides such insurance or any other form of commercial insurance."

Be afraid, pukes, be afraid of your very own shadow.

:rofl:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:03 PM
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3. I would put her email address on my spam list so I would never have to read her crap again.
I have done that..after informing the sender that I intended to do so.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:20 PM
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6. I prefer not to block them
They usually spew that crap to their entire list, and by electing to continue to receive it, I can hit "Reply All" and send a good, factual debunking. Then I save their messages in my "Wingnut Crap" file for future reference . . .
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:39 PM
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10. If you have the time and energy to do that, you are providing a great service, and should
be rewarded.

Good job! :applause:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:43 PM
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12. Aha! A brilliant plan!!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:06 PM
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4. The Red Scare for the 21st century
Muslims are the latest in a long-line of right-wing bogeymen.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:19 PM
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5. They misspelled it
It should be dimwititude and it has nothing to do with Muslims.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:26 PM
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7. "dimwititude" Oh!
At first, I thought that was what it said.
:rofl:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:37 PM
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9. .
:rofl:

Are you a joke writer in real life? :applause:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:44 PM
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13. LOL. Right on target!!
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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:34 PM
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8. Dhimmi status also came with special privileges: the members
of those communities were not subject to military draft, for example, and that is was what the special tax compensated for(the defense of the community against outside invaders). This may not be egalitarian by today's standards but it was comparatively tolerant in the times when it existed (compares this with Jewish communities in Europe, for example).
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:40 PM
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11. Could it be referring to religions ....
which don't believe in using doctors and medicine? Some don't. They believe in faith healing. That is what would make the most sense. I don't want to characterize anyone but if you are never going to use medical services, why buy insurance? Maybe that is why it is in there.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:46 PM
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15. Like Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists?
Some even say Scientologists refuse medical services.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:25 AM
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16. Yeah, those are two of them ....
Scientology I know very little about. I'm a Quaker and at least we can suck up every bit of medical attention we need. We tend to be pragmatic. ;)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:46 PM
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14. Meh - "Islamic Insurance: A Modern Approach to Islamic Banking"
Some Muslims believe insurance is unnecessary, as society should help its victims. Muslims can no longer ignore the fact that they live, trade and communicate with open global systems, and they can no longer ignore the need for banking and insurance. Aly Khorshid demonstrates how initial clerical apprehensions were overcome to create pioneering Muslim-friendly banking systems, and applies the lessons learnt to a workable insurance framework by which Muslims can compete with non-Muslims in business and have cover in daily life. The book uses relevant Quranic and Sunnah extracts, and the arguments of pro- and anti-insurance jurists to arrive at its conclusion that Muslims can enjoy the peace of mind and equity of an Islamic insurance scheme.

Contents:
Introduction 1. The Meaning of Insurance in Islam 2. Riba (Usury) and Gharar (Risk) 3. Pre-Modern and Modern Jurists' Standing on Insurance 4. The Development of Mutual Insurance in the West 5. The Development of Islamic Banking and Insurance in Malaysia: A Case Study 6. The Development of Islamic Banking and Insurance in Saudi Arabia: A Case Study 7. Basic Principles for an Insurance Scheme Acceptable to the Islamic Faith 8. Conclusion

http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415444507/


If they're managing to have insurance in Saudi Arabia, I think they can manage it in the US.
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