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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:08 PM
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(we tried to warn them) "Buyer's Remorse in New Jersey?" (Gov. Christie)
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 10:13 PM by Clio the Leo
Poll: Governor Christie's popularity falling

NEW JERSEY (WABC) -- New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has been in office for just three months, and a new eyewitness news poll shows voters are not giving him any kind of a honeymoon as he presses for budget cuts.

Only 33% of New Jersey residents approve the job Christie is doing as governor.

Nearly twice the number, 63% disapprove.

The telephone poll by SurveyUSA has a margin of error of plus or minus 4%.

Out of all the things Governor Christie wants to do and needs to do while he is in charge of the state, making friends is not on the top of his list.
"I could care less," said Governor Christie.

Since day one the governor has said he was elected to fix New Jersey, and that means making tough and at times painful decisions.

"I'm not in this to win a popularity contest. I don't care about polls, what's up, what's down, who they polled, how they do it," explained Governor Christie.

The governor has been something of a lightening rod since taking office, asking everyone to cut back and tighten up, even teachers.

He's cutting state aid to school districts, which comes as no surprise Harriet Rakowitz.

She was a teacher for 27-years, and when asked to grade the governor she gave him a very low grade.

"A D, not an F, but close to it," said Rakowitz.

Others Eyewitness News spoke with Friday, offered their unofficial grades as well.

"I give him an F," said a senior constituent.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/politics&id=7403264


(You'll remember that Gov. Christie won last November along with Gov. "Beauregard" McDonnel of VA in the supposed wave of GOP resurgence that we're allegedly experiencing now.)
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:10 PM
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1. Any recall mechanism in place to recall the a-hole?
Please say yes.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:18 PM
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3. well they have a petition going...
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:29 PM
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19. one problem
Kim Guadagno (LG) who is Cheney to Christie's Bush. She's a white supremacist and is probably even crazier than Christie.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:12 PM
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2. Another key point is that over half (54%) of the school districts failed to get approval
for tax rate changes to cover the difference.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:19 AM
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6. Our governor TOLD people to vote them down in almost all districts
He said to pass it only if towns where teachers agreed to a wage freeze.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:42 AM
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10. What was surprising was that they did as he suggested considering how low he is polling
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:03 AM
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11. Not everywhere -
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 11:27 AM by karynnj
I live in a very Republican town and our budget passed with a slightly over 6% property tax increase. My town went heavily for Christie, but when it came down to voting - they voted for their kids. I went to a progressive dinner in my area of the town the Saturday before the vote. Because assignments for the various courses are random, we met people outside our normal circles. There was real fear and anger over what could be lost. People were concerned that the quality of education would decline. Some were angry that they could lose the sports programs and courtesy busing for kids living within 2 miles. Others angry that the excellent music program would be greatly impacted or that AP courses could be eliminated. Many spoke of moving here for the schools. Because the projected changes if the budget failed were so broad based, they could affect nearly every family in the community with school age kids.

Ironically, when faced with a real test that affected them, these Republicans voted for the government providing services. But the more ironic thing is that most of them are highly unlikely to see that. Here, a government was able to offer education that rivaled some of the private schools and they wanted to keep it that way.

I looked at where the budgets failed and where they passed and found no real pattern. Many affluent Republican towns passed theirs, but in one the wealthiest, Harding where there are few, if any homes, below $1 million dollars, the budget that would have added a small amount to their property tax was defeated. The pattern was just as mixed in other towns. I suspect that in some towns they were defeated by people genuinely concerned about affording their homes. Before the election, the Governor eliminated ALL property tax rebates. This effectively shifted a great portion of the cost of school to the people paying property taxes directly or indirectly. You can think of this from a NJ resident's point of view as effectively an increase in property taxes. Then with the huge cuts in state aid, most budgets had "another" increase in the property tax.

Remember that one of the biggest issues in the election was the high property tax. Just as people voted for Christie because he argued he would not raise property taxes and would find a way to lower them, they voted against higher property taxes again. It also might have reflected how organized people with kids in school were. I was not surprised my town's budget passed because when I went to vote, the turnout was higher than I ever saw and other than a similar aged poll worker (a Democratic friend), I seriously think I was the oldest person in the room. (I'm 59) There were at least 40 or 50 people, many with kids with them.

The governor's role was complex and I think needlessly pugnacious and political. These are tough financial times - for the states, towns and people. I think the Governor intentionally made it a battle with the teachers' union. There were no attempts to bring them into the budgeting process quietly, behind the scenes. It really is not unreasonable to ask that wage increases be eliminated or reduced this year, when most of the non-teachers did not see wage increases. It is also reasonable that like most (or all) corporations' employees, they pay a portion of their health care premiums. But, the way to get there is not with a preemptive frontal attack on teachers and the union. In addition, they need to look at the base the increases are from. From this chart, you can see both that NJ has the fourth highest average teacher salary or that they are 36th (out of 50 in the chart - I guess they have no data on the others?) in " salary comfort index" - because NJ is an expensive state to live in. http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state Notice also that NJ is among the lowest in % increases over the last 10 years.

In comparison, here is a chart ( http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/oes_nj.htm#b00-0000 ) that shows that 2008 mean annual salary in NJ is $48,690 - slightly lower than the average teacher salary. Also note the section on education here where teacher's salaries are broken down by several categories. When you throw in that teachers have better health care benefits than the average person, their overall compensation package likely puts them at the bottom of the top half of income in the state. I have no intention of arguing if the wages are "fair". (scanning the list, teachers do seem among the lowest of professions needing a BA and continuing graduate work) My point is simply that, especially in less affluent communities, the voters are likely making substantially less than teachers and could have been swayed by Christie's argument that they did not deserve a raise when others didn't get them.

Also, the teacher's union's answer that the millionaire's surtax was rescinded might have been part of what brought Christie's numbers so low so soon after he entered office. What it didn't really do was make a case that the budgets have had the fat cut out of them last year and this year - the budgets failing will cut things that genuinely will hurt the schools and families.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:18 PM
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14. Still as I understand it, 54% loss rate was both a near record level and unexpected
particularly given his unpopularity.

Teachers salaries are clearly an issue everywhere. The defined benefit pensions are getting a lot of negative press here in California for all public employees. Going to be interesting to see what happens when that comes to a head. The Gann Initiative places top line limits on government spending and eventually something is going to have to give.

In California, local funding differentials created by different tax rates is long gone due to court decisions not Prop 13. There has even been some concern that local booster fund raising could be curtailed or forced to be shared outside the school being supported.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:23 PM
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17. You ignore the economy
Last year, every school board cut wherever they reasonably could in anticipation of huge cuts from Trenton. Corzine, by cutting almost everywhere else in the budget was able to keep state aid at at least the amount they received the year before and actually expanded children's health care. In my town, the school board was surprised and pleased that they would not have to make some cuts they had anticipated. But, there were still cuts. Holding the money exactly the same, implies no raises and no increase in the number of kids.

This year, there was no way to make up the gap by just cutting without doing the things I mentioned. They had to increase the property taxes. There are few things in NJ politics that are more negatively received than increasing property taxes. While this was a near record, a fair number of school budgets fail every year. They are adjusted and resubmitted to a vote. There was one person quoted in a local paper who said he always voted against the first budget on the grounds it likely had fat - and you can always find a local story giving an example.

I think most people here feared more budgets going down. Not because of Christie, though he didn't help, but due to the tax increase.

(I also think Corzine made a huge mistake not running a positive campaign arguing that that budget showed his values. He made huge overall cuts, but preserved the most important things. Then had he lost, at least it would have been because of actions he should have proud of. )
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:17 PM
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18. Not at all, I am commenting on what appears to be incongruous behavior by the electorate
Its not unlike in California where everyone is decrying the lack of funds but no one will consider touching the limits imposed by Prop 4 (Gov spending limits) or 13 (property taxes).
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:22 AM
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20. As a NJ resident, I am pointing out that the behavior is not incongruous
The key is to look at how NJ residents react to property taxes. The point is that many budget had major increases in property taxes because there was little fat to cut. NJ has the highest average property taxes in the nation - and is considerably higher than the next state. http://www.retirementliving.com/RLpropertytaxrate.html My town's budget, which passed, will cause over a 6% increase. This is a significant amount of money. This is especially true for many retired people on fixed incomes.

If you go back to last year, the key issue was property taxes. My local paper ran a week long series of long front page articles on property taxes. (yes - that means 7 over a full page articles. )

Remembering that there was a recession in the early 1990s, I googled "NJ school budget 1991 defeat" - and found that in 1991, with a far less deep recession, 44% of the budgets failed to pass. http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/02/nyregion/angry-taxpayers-reject-44-of-new-jersey-school-budgets.html?pagewanted=1 This is almost exactly what happened this year.


Not all politics is related to the politician.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:20 PM
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4. Yes We Did
And those that voted him on got the Governor they deserve. They are slashing school budgets and lord knows what else, The only dept. not facing draconian cuts is the Governor's office where they're doing quite well salary wise. This is one of those things, like when the SC put in Bush, that you could see coming.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:21 AM
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7. and the millionaires - who had the surtax on people making over $400,000 rescinded
In my town many voted for him because Corzine eliminated the property tax rebate for those making more than $75,000.

Christie just eliminated it for everyone.
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:50 PM
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5. WTF?
He COULD care less than he already does, or he COULDN'T care less than he already does....which is it? :shrug:
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:28 AM
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8. Notice how the article never mentions "Republican'?
The word 'Republican' has been thoroughly scraped from the MSM. (Can they do the same in October and November?)
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:36 AM
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9. These are stories that need to be circulated across the country.
Those wild-eyed Policies McDonald(VA) are something else
slso.

People need to be reminded that no matter how much they
campaign and SOUND moderate, in their hearts they are
conservatives. When they say cut spending---people
need to be reminded, this is cutting programs.

Christie campaigned on Balancing the Budget. Balancing
the Budget to a Republican is cutting any program that
provides assistance to be and funding war and defence.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:08 AM
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12. WOW.
That was fast.

When's Christie up again? 2013?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:54 AM
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13. And George WIll's op-ed piece in today's paper is full of praise for
Christie for cutting spending and reducting NJ's deficit without raising taxes. The R's have one idea, just one--it doesn't work for real people, only for the super rich and corporations.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:20 PM
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15. K & R
:thumbsup:
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saulmart Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:58 PM
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16. But, but, but
I thought he was the Great '12 Hope of the GOP!

:sarcasm:
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