I went into a store in Phoenix today and guess what I saw?

[SargeUNN]

The store clerk was a woman I met just a day or so after I got here, and I thought she looked liked a friend of mine from Mississippi. I got to know her and found out she had been fired by Joe Arpaio years ago because she voted against him. After a year or so I found out that she was from Mexico and had gained citizenship here in Arizona some years back, and so I asked her about this new law. She was angry because it will mean she and others will have to have their birth certificates, get harrassed and make them less likely to go places they normally go. I mentioned the part that anyone walking into the store could be standing in line and a cop walk in then someone in the store demand the cops check this person standing in line out for citizenship. It so happened that as we were talking a man got in line and heard our conversation. He was visibly upset so the clerk asked him if he understood what we were talking about, and he replied yes he was. He expressed his concern that now he would be harrassed everytime he turned around and some angry person will force the cops to arrest him and find out that he is a citizen.

I grew up in Jim Crow Mississippi and remember seeing black bodies hanging from a tree from the night before as I went to church. Well I guess here in Arizona since not that many trees are available I will instead see brown skinned people hanging from a cactus as I head to do my radio show. Thanks Jan Brewer, Russell Pearce, and Joe Arpaio types for being a part of home to me, but really why couldn't it be a part I liked, not a part I hate? I guess now I lived in Jim Crow Mississippi, and Juan Crow Arizona. That will look good on tombstone, wait I think I will be cremated.

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[eilen]

2. I wonder if they will make the Hispanic looking citizens

wear some kind of stylized star on their sleeves to indicate they are "legal". Next thing you know, in order to decrease the workload, they will just wall of a portion of the city and tell them they have to live there so they can keep better tabs with less law enforcement officers. In the interests of keeping order, they will then have to institute a curfew.......

[Grey]

4. What you said.....

[truth2power]

36. Good for you! Send that to the Governor as a suggestion. See if she gets it,

although I doubt she will.

[AlbertCat]

79. See if she gets it,

Oh she gets it alright. You can clearly see that in the press conference she nervously babbled through. She is doing it to placate the base.... the basest of the base...

[MadMaddie]

50. Hmmm.....mmmm and so it begins...

[Capn Sunshine]

84. That's a great idea! Think of the energy savings

and they'd be so much easier to protect from thoseteab guys! It's a win-win

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. American citizens have been made "less than" other citizens.

Why are so many here on DU not getting that?

[EFerrari]

5. There's your t-shirt: Welcome to Juan Crow, AZ.

:grr:

[Bobbieo]

10. Actually it is 'Jaime Cuervo'

[John Q. Citizen]

57. I was thinking the same thing.

[happygoluckytoyou]

42. from MISSISSIPPI... we thank you for making us only the 49th STOOPIDEST STATE ! ! ! go 'ZONA!!

[Shell Beau]

45. Not so much

[601Liberal]

47. Hey, watch it! I live here

But sometimes my fellow citizens make me so embarrassed to be from here.

[lark]

65. Hey, I'm from FL

surely we are part of the mix in striving to be last in sanity?

[AzJusticeFreedom]

69. We we already the dumbest state

now we are behind even the territories!

[BlooInBloo]

6. From Jim Crow to Jaime Crow in what - 60 years?

[EFerrari]

7. Btw, I really enjoy your posts.

When is your show on again? I don't generally listen to radio but now I have to check it out. lol

[SargeUNN]

8. thanks just speak for my heart and brain. My show time

Saturday evening at 4 pm pacific 7 pm eastern, on http://thejefffariasshow.com I will be talking more about this tomorrow.

[EFerrari]

9. Bookmarked and thanks. n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

11. You're Jeff?

Very cool :thumbsup:

BTW - I'm deaf, so I'm not able to listen to your show, but I do enjoy your posts.

Hawkeye-X

[SargeUNN]

12. No I am Sarge not Jeff, but we work together

You might remember me from the Mike Malloy Show when he was on Air America and Nova M. I am the one who called in regularly to give Katrina updates until I took on Haley Barbour and the effort to kill me got underway. Mike, Jeff and others helped move me out here to save my life. Isn't hate a wonderful thing how it ruins lives and these rats feels they have done God's work getting rid of that trouble maker?

[Duer 157099]

76. Hey, I thought that might be you!

Glad to have you here!

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

13. You know, I was thinking about how great Amy's transcripts are.

And how Thom doesn't have one and Jeff and Sarge probably don't either. There's got to be a way to get some folks together to make them. Do you know how that works, Hawkeye-X? I could pitch in some but I don't know anything about it. I can transcribe pretty quickly, though.

Do you know anyone who works that street?

[Hawkeye-X]

14. Nope.

I've been begging for transcripts in Political Videos but eventually gave up after few half-hearted attempts.

[EFerrari]

16. It would be hard to transcribe the whole forum.

Hmmm. Let's think about it. Maybe we can figure something out, do a portion of them or something.

[SargeUNN]

15. If anyone does know please let us know

We at the Jeff Farias Network would love to work on making it happen and would welcome your help and information.

[Doremus]

88. I think there are some professional transcriptionists on DU.

I'm a beginner but I'd be willing to help.

[barbtries]

74. is it streaming on the web?

i just clicked all around the site but i'm a dummy i guess.

[SargeUNN]

75. Yes the show streams at

http://thejefffariasshow.com

[SargeUNN]

17. Wow I don't know if I should be proud or ashamed

This is one of the most, if not the most, read threads I have started here. Sadly, I don't know how much of it did what I had hoped, and that is to give a real life experience from an area being affected by a law born in hatred, fear, anger, and racism. I am unfortunate enough to have been in such a situation before in the Jim Crow south, and thought I would find less of that attitude here. Yeah I know about the MLK day thing, but they changed that.

Well, no it is a very sad atmosphere here in Arizona, and the things I hear almost daily remind me of my youth with all the stereotyping, the generalization, and fear. I have even heard that Russell Pearce is the way he is because his son was killed by "illegal immigrant" I don't know if that is true but it seems to be. Jan Brewer I have been told once committed her own son into a mental institution after he had a sexual charge likely to hit him, so she did it until it was clear he wouldn't be charged then released. I did ask about it once in a call I made to her office and they said it was a topic they didn't dare talk about, and another person told me they too had gotten the same response when they asked about the story.

I don't know, maybe I have lived too long, but such stupid hate, and such a sorry situation as this is causing, just seems like we don't learn. Yeah the problem is there, but stupid hate laws certainly will only flame the situation and hurt everyone, especially the children. I know because I was a child in Mississippi during Jim Crow and lived with it a long time. I thought it was stupid then and honestly I feel that same thought pattern here in Arizona. Don't we progress as a people? I don't know, I really don't know.

[Hekate]

19. You should be proud, Sarge. I know I'm tuning in late, but you wrote a fine OP.

"Juan Crow" indeed.

I thought this country was making progress, until Bush/PATRIOT ACT/Sarah Palin came along starting in 2000. I had a great surge of hope and pride when Obama was elected, but I knew that overcoming the legacy of Bush was going to be very hard.

This abomination of a law should go to the Supreme Court, but only after Obama makes a few more appointments.

Hekate

[Solly Mack]

18. k/r

[speedcat]

20. just wait for the rash of fake birth certs

Poor cops. Imagine trying to discern if the birth cert is real or not. How easy to create a fake! What lying refucklican was it that said, " the police are for this law"? I think it was the stinkin' gov'nor.

Anyways this law makes me wanna become an attorney just so I can make a huge shitpile of money suing these idiots for discrimination. I mean, there's a retirement and then some in there! DAmn, I wish I gone to law school.

But really, does anyone have the dirt on what the cops in AZ really think about this Pogrom-law? I predict it gets shot down in very short order by various courts. Some hispanic looking persons are going to get PAID too when the civil suits start boiling in. Hang on for the ride! The refucks, in their pathetic attempts to play to the politics, once again have stuffed their hand into the wrong blender.

"Jaime Crow" - love that! Stealing it soon. ;)

.

[SargeUNN]

21. Yes most cops don't want it

The police association opposed it and most cops feel it is just going to open them up to more lawsuits. It probably will.

[eilen]

24. I kind of feel bad for the cops

It's not like they don't already have enough to do. Now this. As a nurse, I would be protesting if I was required to ensure all my patients were citizens and had to report those that weren't. My job is to provide care, educate and encourage positive health practices, not be an INS agent. Arizona is whacked.

[mimi85]

63. Hispanic Cops?

I'm sure that many cops in AZ are Hispanic - wonder how they feel about this?

[SargeUNN]

22. Here is the link to the bill

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. WOW this is damn scary

some sections actually conform to standard, but large swaths will be vacated, I am willing to bet and fast... WOW

[dorkulon]

25. I'm never driving through AZ again.

Why, well, being of 50% Middle Eastern descent, I'm a bit swarthy and brownish. Also, I haven't had any idea where my 'papers' (naturalized citizen at the age of 10) are for a few years now. These two factors could lead to some Kafkaesque hell of months in INS detention just waiting to be sorted out. Fuck that. See ya never, AZ.

[truth2power]

38. That occurred to me right away. It's difficult to tell...Middle Eastern, Indian,

Native American, even someone of Asian descent. Depending on your family of origin it might be difficult to sort out.

So, let's just wait to see what idiocy this law is going to provoke. Stupid is as stupid does.

[MountainLaurel]

41. I'm thinking of my uncle, who lives in AZ

Even though he's only one-eighth Italian, he looks like he just stepped off the spaghetti boat. Dark skin (he golfs a couple days each week), dark brown eyes, dark hair (now with lots of white in it). If he weren't 6'3", I'd wonder how often he would get stopped because he looks too foreign.

[a la izquierda]

48. As I said in another post...

I'm Irish, Italian and Spanish. Half of the year, I'm very dark (the other half, I'm pasty with freckles). My research is in Mexico, so I speak fluent Spanish. I get mistaken for Mexican all the time.
This is just insanity.

[Bette Noir]

43. Better order duplicates.

I put my passport in my purse, in case I can't avoid driving through AZ. I'm Puerto Rican, descended from several generations of US citizens on both sides, but I could be arrested in AZ as easily as any undocumented worker, for "failing to prove."

Has it never occurred to the yahoos who support this law that *anybody* can be arrested under this law? All it takes is a cop having a bad day. As for carrying their birth certificates, AZ doesn't recognize Barack's birth certificate; why would they recognize yours?

[xxqqqzme]

55. As Rachel Maddow pointed out

last night, this law presumes ALL persons in Arizona are illegal until you prove it. As I understand it, if you can't 'prove it', you get to sit in jail for 6 months. Then what?

[Telly Savalas]

91. Then you retire off of the proceeds you get from suing everyone responsible.

[Mike K]

92. While I generally respect Rachel Maddow's typically incisive -

- analyses and conclusions, in this instance she has carelessly drifted into fanciful interpretation.

The law does not presume that all Arizonians are illegal. The law requires police to investigate (to challenge) when there is reasonable cause to suspect that certain individuals might have illegally entered the United States.

Why would someone be unable to prove he or she is a born or naturalized citizen?

[SargeUNN]

93. Actually it is "Reasonable Suspecion" whatever that means

Brewer didn't seem to know herself.

[Mike K]

85. You are an American citizen.

I put my passport in my purse, in case I can't avoid driving through AZ. I'm Puerto Rican, descended from several generations of US citizens on both sides, but I could be arrested in AZ as easily as any undocumented worker, for "failing to prove."

As such I don't understand why you would not simply be proud to cooperatively identify yourself if challenged. It is unfortunate that most hispanics, regardless of specific ethnicity or nationality, fit the superficial profile of an ethnic category which has become the subject of exceptional police attention, but you have the U.S. Government's failure to enforce existing immigration laws to blame for that, not the police and certainly not "racism." So I respectfully suggest that you keep things in perspective and not be induced by the paranoid delusions of others to think of it as a "hate" issue.

Has it never occurred to the yahoos who support this law that *anybody* can be arrested under this law? All it takes is a cop having a bad day. As for carrying their birth certificates, AZ doesn't recognize Barack's birth certificate; why would they recognize yours?

Actually there is nothing new or exceptional about this "new" law because police always have been innately authorized to question anyone whom they have reasonable cause (formerly probable cause) to suspect has broken the law -- and entering the Country illegally is breaking the law. What is new is the police are no longer constrained from arresting illegal migrants. The pivotal factor in this issue is the "reasonable suspicion" requirement, because bringing weak cases to court reflects negatively on an officer's performance and in extreme examples can result in litigation. So the police will not be eager to arrest legitimate citizens for the sport of it. They will be looking for positive indications of illegal presence.

The bottom line in this situation is Arizona has become ground zero for an increasing flow of Mexican illegals. The effect on Arizona's health care services has been devastating. There is a rising crime rate. The estimated presence of illegals in Arizona exceeds half a million. One out of five inmates in Arizona's jails and prisons is a Mexican illegal. The collective effect is devastating on the state's economy so there is no valid reason to believe this "new" law is motivated by anything but expedient necessity.

[brewens]

26. I read a book by a German WWII veteran a few years ago.

I can't remember the title but he told about going on leave. German troops that wanted to enjoy their leave avoided big cities if they could. This was in 1942, before the effective bombing raids. What they wanted to avoid was the harassment from the Gestapo and police. The authorities were so paranoid about deserters that troops on leave were constantly stopped and asked to produce papers. It made moving around the big cities a hassle. If they went to a smaller resort town the local cops would check them out once and they were free to enjoy themselves.

[BootinUp]

27. thanks for sharing that.

woke me up a little. I think I was trying to sleep through another fucked up situation.

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. They have no idea what happens to people when they continually get

picked on. You're subjected to becoming a second class citizen and that has an effect that will eventually be manifested. Hopefully, productively.

What I can't believe is that this law will pass a challenge in court because it's obvious they're targeting dark skinned people. We have lots of illegal immigrants. Especially from Britain and Ireland. They just slip under the radar. But, I would love to see the INS raid some of these British owned tech places in the U.S. and have them ask the employees to show them their papers.

[MadMaddie]

51. That's the key isn't it?

If it is proven there are other illegal ethinic groups that are NOT being harrassed then the law is illegal.

These Republicans are some dumb shits!

[geckosfeet]

29. Make it easier for law enforcement and law abiding citizens - make immigrants wear brown armbands.

::sarcasm:: ala Germany circa 1930.

[DallasNE]

30. There Are A Lot Of Asians With Expired Green Cards

Will Arizona authorities profile the Asians to the same degree they will the Hispanics? And what about the eastern Europeans? So much for the simple "solution" for a complex problem.

Naturalization papers and birth certificates are not designed for this kind of heavy use and will quickly be damaged beyond repair. Does Arizona plan on creating a State ID card? How long before Arizona requires a Passport for visitors from another State. This will hit Arizona tourism and convention business and thus their economy. It will serve them right.

[Bette Noir]

46. A friend of mine moved to AZ a couple of years ago.

She's a naturalized US citizen from Japan. She's very, very conservative. I wonder how many times she'll be hassled by the police before she starts voting "Dem"?

The hilarious part is that Latinos, being in large hard-working, self-reliant, religious, and extremely family-oriented, would likely go over 50% Republican, if it weren't for the constant discrimination, encouraged by the Republican establishment.

[divideandconquer]

81. Why wouldn't hardworking, self reliant, family oriented people not be Democrats?

This law is despicable and fighting it goes beyond any political consequences, good or bad.

[handmade34]

31. thanks for the post

Juan Crow indeed... I grew up in Michigan and saw the racism and hate... I thought we would grow up, seems not.

http://presente.org/campaigns/shame

[southernyankeebelle]

32. Everyone before you think this is right stop and put yourself in the other persons shoes. I

think this idea is terrible and racist. I wrote the governor an e-mail and told her I will encourage my friends to boycott her state.

[handmade34]

40. I will boycott

http://presente.org/campaigns/shame

[Raster]

33. When you're a hater, you gotta have somebody to hate.

[madmom]

34. Living in the cold midwest, hubby and I always dreamed of retiring in

arizona. Well not any more, we're changing plans, more than likely will be New Mexico now, I love the desert.

[truth2power]

35. "Juan Crow". That is brilliant! We should all start using that. n/t

[catrose]

37. "Juan Cuervo" would be a bit too subtle, no?

[radhika]

80. I Like 'Jaime Cuervo' .......n/t

[PSzymeczek]

82. Did not know "cuervo" was "crow".

So Jose Cuervo is Joe Crow. :)

[Hoyt]

39. What part of "illegal" do you not understand? It ticks me off when some right wing ass says that.

As someone with a Spanish surname, maybe I'll spend my retirement in Arizona and other such states harassing overzealous law enforcers. Good people should not live in fear like this, even if they are "illegal".

[happygoluckytoyou]

44. WELCOME BACK---> here are your Jim Crow laws, AZ... bigots THEN bigots NOW...nothing new!!!

Arizona
1865: Miscegenation Marriages between whites with "Negroes, mulattoes, Indians, Mongolians" were declared illegal and void. The word "Descendants" does not appear in the statute.

1901: Miscegenation Revision of the 1865 statute which added the word "descendants" to the list of minority groups. The revised statutes also stated that marriages would be valid if legal where they were contracted, but noted that Arizona residents could not evade the law by going to another state to perform the ceremony.

1909: Education School district trustees were given the authority to segregate black students from white children only where there were more than eight Negro pupils in the school district. The legislature passed the law over a veto by the governor.

1911-1962: Segregation, miscegenation, voting Passed six segregation laws: four against miscegenation and two school segregation statutes, and a voting rights statute that required electors to pass a literacy test. The state's miscegenation laws prohibited blacks as well as Indians and Asians from marrying whites, and were not repealed until 1962.

1927: Education In areas with 25 or more black high school students, an election would be called to determine if these pupils should be segregated in separate but equal facilities.

1928: Miscegenation Forbid marriages between persons of the Caucasian, Asian and Malay races.

1956: Miscegenation Marriage of person of "Caucasian blood with Negro, Mongolian, Malay, or Hindu void." Native Americans were originally included in an earlier statute, but were deleted by a 1942 amendment.

[MadMaddie]

49. I honestly believe this governer and her Republican Coharts

have no idea what the repurcussions will be. When you listen to them they act as if it is no big deal and shrug it off.

When American citizens bear the brunt of this law....it's going to get really ugly.

[jeff47]

52. Clearly, the cops need to check out the legislature

Some of them might be illegals. After all, they didn't show their birth certificates before taking office. Time to arrest a few "just in case". I'm sure they won't mind spending a day in jail just so we can be sure they're here legally.

</snark>

[midnight]

53. K&R

[iamthebandfanman]

54. I think the tables should be turned

and every person you see you should ask for their papers... white, black, brown, whatever... just start asking EVERYONE for their identity and see how long this lasts.

[Christa]

56. This reminds me of the apartheid regime in South Africa

The black people all had to carry their "pass books" with them, and if they did not have it, they were bundled into police vans and taken to jail.

:(

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. yes it is apartheid!

[ProudDad]

58. Thanks for hitting the nail on the head

I live here in bat-crap crazy Arizona too now and had a deja vu feeling about what's going on too.

I also lived in Jim Crow South Carolina, Georgia, Virgina and Florida and yep, it's THE SAME FEELING!

We're surrounded by racists and xenophobes who have NO knowledge of (or desire to learn) history...like the reason Arizona is occupied by the USAmerikan Empire is because they stole 1/3 of Mexico in a preemptive war in the 1840s...(Gee, why ARE there so many Mexicans here?)

And those damn mental defectives vote...

[Muddy Waters Guitars]

72. Yep, Mexican-American War main aim was to spread slavery into the Southwest

There's been a lot of intensive historical research on the factors leading to the outbreak of the Mexican-American War, and it's become clear that the major driving force was to spread slavery into the region. Mexico, to its credit, had outlawed slavery by the 1830's, and the slave-owners and slave-owning imperialists didn't like that. So, to punish Mexico, they instigated the Mexican War to carve Mexico in half, and turn its northern half (the current US Southwest) into a slaveholding region. This was in fact one of the principal aims of the slaveholding powers throughout the first half of the 19th century-- to essentially conquer Latin America, focusing on the Caribbean (esp. Cuba) as well as northern South America and Central America, and turn it into an ugly feudalistic, slave-dependent, English-speaking region within a larger "Anglosphere slavery aristocracy." This was a real objective of the slaveowners, launching their efforts from Texas, Florida, and the Gulf Coast, and they nearly succeeded. William Walker for example, very nearly took over in Nicaragua and neighboring countries, and there were efforts underway in the 1850's to conquer large tracts of Central America and the Caribbean, and to annex them-- thus demographically overwhelming the anti-slavery states. Resistance in Latin America helped to prevent this nightmarish feudal dystopia, but it was principally the US Civil War that thwarted it for good. In fact, one of the Civil War's less-appreciated but most important consequences was that it helped to protect Latin America from conquest by the pro-slavery militaries organizing throughout what would become the Confederate states.

Arizona was, in fact, one of the slave-holding territories during the Civil War-- much like Oklahoma-- and effectively taken over by the Confederacy after Union garrisons were withdrawn to fight elsewhere. John Baylor's victory at Mesilla effectively turned Arizona into one of the Western arms of the CSA, and the Confederates' tentacles extended even into California, where Confederate agents were active and Orange County in particular (perhaps explaining their wingnuttery in the 1980's) became a hotbed of Confederate sympathizers and supply routes from the Pacific Ocean. Baylor was certainly a capable officer despite his alignment with the pro-slavery cause, but Arizona after the war very much maintained its pro-slavery inclination, in some cases even worse than parts of the Deep South. There was very little Reconstruction presence in the Arizona territory, and when it did eventually become a state, it was essentially in the hands of the worst pro-Confederate retreads, who instituted one of the most oppressive Jim Crow regimes in the country.

It's also interesting that demographically, Arizona is once again gaining a majority of the indigenous peoples displaced in 1848-- the schools are already 60% Latino and native American, and in 5-10 years, the state will have such a majority. Interestingly, we're seeing a parallel case in Mississippi and Alabama, which will both have a Black majority in about 10-20 years ( African-American majority in Mississippi perhaps in about 5 years or so, already the case in the schools). The once harshly repressed people in those states-- despised by the Anglo slaveowning class who moved in to exploit them-- won't be exploited anymore.

[ProudDad]

96. From your mouth to Dog's ears

"It's also interesting that demographically, Arizona is once again gaining a majority of the indigenous peoples displaced in 1848-- the schools are already 60% Latino and native American, and in 5-10 years, the state will have such a majority. Interestingly, we're seeing a parallel case in Mississippi and Alabama, which will both have a Black majority in about 10-20 years ( African-American majority in Mississippi perhaps in about 5 years or so, already the case in the schools). The once harshly repressed people in those states-- despised by the Anglo slaveowning class who moved in to exploit them-- won't be exploited anymore."

Amen...

[ProudDad]

59. My two responses (so far)

1) I will NEVER carry ANY ID unless I'm driving

2) Quick -- someone make some buttons that say "We are ALL ILLEGALS" and I'll wear one!

Oh, and BOYCOTT ARIZONA!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4355627#4355697

[pleah]

60. K&R

[TK421]

61. I'm still really fuzzy on this whole "probable cause" thing....and what leads

up to it. I can't seem to find specific details as to what it is about a persons appearance, the clothes they are wearing, how jittery or nervous they look ( doesn't everyone? you get pulled over for speeding and sometimes expect an abusive cop ) that warrants probable cause? I've seen Brewers speech on CNN and even the anchor had questions about what she meant by that.

[ProudDad]

97. It's not "Probable Cause" it's a LOWER standard

They only require "reasonable suspicion" as in...

"Hmmm; brown, speaks with accent...yep, reasonable suspicion..."

They can pull people over for being brown since "most Mexicans are brown, I can pull over that one and ask for proof of citizenship."

It's the "I feel like it" rule that cops like to exercise...

So it's WORSE than you can imagine, for a substantial portion of the population of Arizona there is no 5th Amendment any more if this nonsense stands...

However, I fully expect this stupidity to be in court tomorrow morning and an injunction issued by the end of the week...

[SargeUNN]

62. Thanks folks, I will be talking about this today

I will be talking about this law today on my radio show which airs at 7 pm eastern, 4 pm pacific on http://thejefffariasshow.com I hope many of you will tune in and call in to tell how you feel about this law. The more that is heard about how this goes nationally the more it might pressure someone here to look at this law and repeal it. It really is a law to fear and I am concerned we have turned a dark corner here in AZ that might lead other states to follow.

[Mike K]

94. Why do you think it is a law to fear?

What exactly are you afraid of?

[Shining Jack]

64. K&R n/t

[greiner3]

66. How many AZ cops' heads will explode;

If people of color start showing up with their HI birth certificates?

Just saying.

[SargeUNN]

67. Vice Mayor of Phoenix said ALL might be asked

for proof of citizenship. The reason is that with this new law the law enforcement can be sued if they feel the cops aren't doing their job. Let's take for example you are at a Diamondbacks game from California while the Dodgers are in town, someone looks at you and hates the Dodgers so they go to a cop and say they believe you are not a citizen. The cop almost has to check you out or face having that person file a lawsuit and because you don't carry your birth certificate normally on your person, you go to jail. It has already happened here folks, so this isn't a far fetched example.

[ProudDad]

98. That sounds like a good organizing strategy

if this law goes into effect, we can demand that cops check everyone...and sue them if they don't...clog up the local courts with this crap...

Then if they check you...sue them and the city, and the county, and the state...

Waste their time...take their money...

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all." Mario Savio

It fits Arizona as well as it did 1964's version of Cal Berkeley.

[BrklynLiberal]

68. Every day, in every way, the US is becoming more and more of a Third World as well as a Third Rate

Country.

IT is sad, scary and frustrating.

[sabrina 1]

70. We spent the last two years in AZ and just left three months ago.

I will not be returning even to visit friends there. They will have to visit us in the free world.

I didn't see any overt signs of racism while I was there and even felt hopeful when Obama came within 2% of McCain on the night of the election, ending up just 8% behind him. I thought that was pretty good considering it is a red state and it was their own Senator he was running against.

I saw lots of Obama stickers on cars also.

However, just knowing that there are people like Joe Arpaio in the state, and that he is elected, was enough to know it was not a place we would be living in for too long.

I am hoping there were will be huge boycotts from all the world. I believe they've started already. The state is practically bankrupt already. Let's see how fast that law disappears when the morons who wrote and voted for it, get the blame for a potential total economic disaster.

Thanks for this post ~

[SargeUNN]

71. The Dems are meeting in Tucson today

Hope to have a report on my show, but if they aren't outraged, then it might be time to make plans to leave.

[sabrina 1]

95. Looking forward to the report. I wasn't home today so could

not listen to the show. Is there a way to hear a replay?

I heard that Dem. Rep. Raul Grijalva has had death threats against himself and his family for opposing the bill. I also read that truckers are boycotting the state.


Truckers plan boycott over Arizona Immigration Law

WASHINGTON - Two or three times a week, truck driver Jesus Serrano hauls loads of Mexican-grown produce from warehouses in Nogales, Ariz., which is just across the U.S.-Mexico border, to distribution centers in Los Angeles.

Serrano plans to stop making the trip now that Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a stringent anti-illegal immigration bill into law, however, and he has recruited other truckers to join him.

Serrano, the independent owner-operator of a Los Angeles-based trucking company , said that about 70 drivers based in California and Arizona had agreed to stop moving loads into or out of Arizona in protest of the new law. He hopes to get 200 truckers on board for a five-day boycott that will start within 48 hours of the bill's signing.

People can contact the Arizona Tourist Board also:

Arizona Office of Tourism
1110 W. Washington Street, Suite 155
Phoenix, Arizona 85007

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Toll-free visitor information: 1-866-275-5816

[feslen]

73. let's see how fast

Arizona's tourism goes down the toilet thanks to the idiocy of this soon-to be Ex-governor.

[Duer 157099]

77. Kicking for Sarge, who is reading this live right now

Streaming here:

http://www.thejefffariasshow.com/?page_id=2

[ooglymoogly]

83. 1st of all; A big KR: Waiting for the new book "Escaping from Arizona"

A flyover state at all costs. New travel guides on how to cross country while avoiding Arizona; Even if it means going hundreds of miles out of the way. Arizona; The new state of fear. "Juan Crow" or perhaps "Anybody Crow"...I'll buy either. All you have to be in Arizona, is different to be afraid....Papers please... Sieg heil. Police, especially state police have never found a law they could not abuse to appease their, now government sanctioned, bigotry; With the caveat that, not all police are this way; But history has proven there are enough by a big margin to make a living hell for those who do not look and act "right"....Browns...Papers please...Blacks....Papers please....gays...Papers please...Arabs...Papers please...homeless...papers please...ad infinitum...except for the good ol' hypocrites...like always...they skate.

[zentrum]

87. Beyond the ugliness of the law in itself

....are also the terrible abuses that will unfold under its cover. Bad cops will use it to intimidate at random. Gays and those with Obama stickers--everyone and anyone can and will be harrassed fi they run across the wrong cop.

But mainly I think it's a trojan horse to humiliate Obama because of the demand that he show his birth cetificate before running in Arizona.

[ProudDad]

99. They also passed the "Birther" bill

bat-crap crazy!

Arizona's 'laughable' Birther bill

Arizona's state legislature wants Obama to produce his birth certificate before he seeks re-election in their state. Seriously?

http://theweek.com/article/index/202185/Arizonas_laughable_Birther_bill

[Warren Stupidity]

86. Maybe Arizona could fix this by requiring all the legal hispanic looking

people to wear an identifying armband, an armband with a clearly identifiable icon on it, so that all the non-hispanic citizens would know they were good hispanics and not the dreaded illegals.

Plus the good hispanics probably should be kept in separate sections of cities and towns.


Fuck Arizona. I sincerely hope that over the next 50 years the southwest we stole from Mexico reverts naturally to Mexican control.

[havocmom]

89. Isn't one of the reasons the Feds are investigating Joe Arpaio is harassment of business people?

Read that many business owners who have voiced criticism of Sheriff Joe have had to deal with harassment from his department and some complained to higher authorities. (Must've surprised Joe that there ARE higher authorities.)

This new nightmare seems likely to cost businesses much more AND slow response time when they need law enforcement, which has been, as I recall, one of the issues business owners were complaining about Joe about in the first place, that his deputies being so busy harassing Latinos that they weren't getting the basic law enforcement done in a timely manner.

Looks like Sheriff Joe isn't just at war with anybody brown, he just fucking thinks he is god and can punish anyone who doesn't worship him.

Too bad a majority of the state legis. worship him.... or are they just afraid of what his goons have on them?

[Alameda]

90. How about if thousands of brown US citizens descend on AZ?

...........maybe then they would realize what a silly and futile law this is? How about Puerto Ricans, Chicanos, and others who aren't exactly white show up. Can you imagine how busy they would be trying to keep up?
the bottom line is this law is a danger to citizens of AZ because instead of fighting real crime, the law officers will be kept busy doing meaningless and costly stops.