Immigration documents accepted in AZ

[Catshrink]

Immigration documents

These are the documents that would allow a police officer to presume someone is in this country legally:

-- a valid Arizona driver license

-- a valid nonoperating identification card (This must mean state issued ID)

-- a valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification

-- any other federal, state or local government issued identification -- but only if obtaining it requires the holder to first prove legal presence in the United States

http://www.azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/c5640fb6-7b1f-5286-be2b-0e38d72b1c9e.html

Oh gee, I feel so much better now. I guess I'd better take my driver's license with me when I walk the dog or go for a bike ride.

[kevinbgoode]

1. This is, of course, completely dependent on whether the

law enforcement officer, or complaining con-artist con-servative, decides to BELIEVE any of those documents are REAL. After all, if the "birthers" can insist that Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, it isn't any big leap for them to hold someone indefinitely until an "investigation" is conducted to prove any of these documents are "real."

And we already know that "birthers" don't accept any documentation as real.

[etherealtruth]

2. Yeah ... and being stopped for appearing to be an illegal immigrant

.... wont have a deleterious impact on your life if you have the proper documents :sarcasm:

[jwirr]

3. But it still allows the police to stop and question anyone who looks

like a Hispanic. This makes them all targets.

[Xipe Totec]

4. The question was never about which documents will be accepted.

The question is, and has always been, about who will or will not be asked to present those documents.

The question has always been about skin SPF rating.

[dixiegrrrrl]

5. A "tribal" document????

So now it is Hispanics and American Indians????

[Catshrink]

7. We have a large native population

it's all about skin tone.

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. I know, but "they" said it was "only about illegal immigrants"

and now I find a reference to "tribal documents"...guess that shoots down their theory.

You know what? Every damn person of ANY color in Arizona ought to wear the
equivalent of the Star of David or something.
Like we did on the West Coast to combat discrimination against gays....everybody on campus wore a pink pride triangle....kids, dogs, straights, gays.

[Igel]

15. No.

That's a misreading.

Look at the list: It's a list of documents that prove legal residency. Driver's licenses in Arizona are probably still held primarily by "anglos." So if the inclusion of tribal documents means that they're targeting Indians, inclusion of driver's licenses means that they're targeting whites. Yep, shoots down their theory that it's about illegal immigrants.

It's hard to think of a class of people that won't have any of those documents that aren't in the state illegally. Which is, I suspect, rather the idea.

The problem is that if you live on a reservation you may well not have any of the other forms of ID, but you will almost certainly still have a tribe-issued document. So that's cool and shows that you're in AZ legally. Omitting it from the list would have been a really serious error.

[Catshrink]

6. I know...

but I live here and have wondered just what I need to have with me in case they decide to ask a white person to give them cover for racial profiling. This is so they can say, "We questioned 30 people, half of them had fair skin and the rest were various shades darker."

[Xipe Totec]

8. Do me a favor...

If you live in Arizona, and you ever get stopped by the cops, and they don't ask for your papers,...

Sue their asses.

It will help prove selective enforcement.

It would be even better if you left your papers at home.

Then, if they do arrest you, they can be sued for civil rights violations.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

They are totally and irreversibly fucked.

[Catshrink]

9. Won't it be my word against the cop's word?

[Xipe Totec]

10. Not if they arrest you and it turns out you are a US citizen

Unless the cop can prove you are not a citizen, he and his department are FUBAR.

He has to establish reasonably cause for believing you are in this country illegally.

If you have a standard American accent, chances are he/she will not ask for documentation (and thus will violate Arizona law by not asking for your papers).

If he/she asks for your papers and you do not have them, he will be forced to arrest you (and thus come up against the 14th amendment, illegal search and seizure clause).

If you refuse to answer questions regarding your legal status in this country, and arrests you, he/she will be up against the 5th amendment right to not incriminate yourself.

No matter what that cop does, he/she is fucked.

[DearAbby]

11. I would like to know what reasonable cause

they used when asking people to identify themselves.

I have the right to be secure in my PERSON, PROPERTY AND POSSESSIONS of unlawful searches and seizures....that is the constitution...what probable cause was used, making me guilty until proven innocent?

[treestar]

13. There are many Native Americans in Arizona

Just watch, they will get stopped, too, after all, they "look Mexican." :sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. What if your license is from another state?

:scared: