Padilla jurors unsure who to blame for 9/11 because they don't trust reporters or the federal govt.

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/371031,CST-NWS-pad04.article

May 4, 2007

MIAMI -- Many potential jurors in the Jose Padilla terrorism-support case say they aren't sure who directed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks because they don't trust reporters or the federal government.

''There are too many ifs, too many things going on,'' one male juror said. ''I don't know the whole story.''

Others say they just don't pay close enough attention to world events to be certain.

[Atman]

1. The government reapeth that which it hath sown.

:rofl:

or :cry: -- not sure which is more appropriate.

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[demnan]

2. The brains of people in this country have just shut down

If their brains were working they'd be mad as hell like me then we could all demonstrate in the streets like the Israelis just did. But no. Our country has too many other things to do, and doesn't care.

[Peace Patriot]

5. "If their brains were working..." 56% of the American people opposed the invasion of Iraq.

Feb. '03. That number has now grown to 75%! The American people are neither uninformed nor stupid. What they are is demoralized, and, above all, DISENFRANCHISED. It's easy enough to target the stupids, and call them stupids, or to gather your impression of the American people from the war profiteering corporate news monopoly portrayal of them, and their utter FAILURE to reflect TRUE MAINSTREAM opinion, and thus call the American people stupid, uncaring, fascist. But how do you account for that stat? 75% opposed to the war and wanting it ended?

Some things are "black-holed" more completely than others. If someone doesn't have the time to look into 9/11, or electronic voting owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, they may not have realized how bad things are. But on the war, and Bush, they know--and they tried their best to do something about it way back in November 2004 (the grass roots Dems and NGOs blew the Repubs away in new voter registration in 2004, by nearly 60/40), and again in November 2006. By November 2006, they were so mad they outvoted the machines in some cases--trying to get themselves a half-decent Congress. And, given the handicap their votes are placed under (--a good guestimate is a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists), that's all they COULD get: a HALF-decent Congress, but one that is still not very representative of the American people.

Look at other stats. The stats are out there, but the corporate news monopolies pay no attention to them. Their mission is brainwashing, not "news." Bush approval ratings under 30%--and in freefall starting on the DAY of his 2nd "inauguration." 63% of the American people opposed to torture "under any circumstances" (May '04). 84% (!) opposed to any U.S. participation in a widened Mideast war (summer '06). The evidence for the intelligence--and progressive views--of the American people is overwhelming. And, even with the favorite stat of those who want to say that Americans are "sheeple"--that 50% believed that Saddam had WMDs and/or had something to do with 9/11--LOOK AT THE CONTEXT of that stat: The context of 56% disapproving of the Iraq invasion. Even that stat showing the success of disinformation ALSO shows a significant portion of Americans trying to think for themselves about whether war is necessary. If 56% disapproved of the invasion, while 50% bought the lies to some extent, then a good portion of Americans were WEIGHING the lies, deciding that Bush had exaggerated the threat, and concluding that war was not the answer.

One other thing: Israel is a tiny country. Put a bunch of people on the streets in Israel and you have a big impact. It is much more difficult for the government to remain deaf to them. The government is MUCH CLOSER to ordinary people--physically! --as to proximity, access, and impact. The U.S. is enormous, by comparison--and, given the lack of transparent vote counting (the actual coup, in my opinion)--the Bush Junta can hold itself entirely unaccountable to the people. They could care less if we put a million people on the streets. We HAVE put a million people on the streets! --to no effect, as to Bush/Cheney caring a goddamn. We have a much different problem--and much different circumstances--than the Israelis do. Here, I would never measure our citizens' concern or anger by their NOT taking to the streets. I think the concern and anger are enormous. And they DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Massive marches--nothing happens. The approbation of the world--nothing happens. They vote--nothing happens. Many don't know why our democracy is NOT WORKING. These things are well hidden. The Bushite corporate takeover of vote counting, for instance, occurred almost entirely under the radar of the American people--with the complicity of our Democratic Party leadership (one of the chief culprits was Christopher Dodd, also Terry McAuliffe). It has been an almost entirely black-holed story, much like 9/11.

The war is hard to hide--and the lies about it have been exposed, by some very courageous folks at the risk of their careers and in some cases their lives. The Iraq War has also become counterproductive to some of the corporate predators who pushed it--which has led to somewhat better coverage of the facts, and wider knowledge of them. For instance, they are finding new and massive disapproval of the US-dominated World Bank and US-favorable "free deals" in South America, where the Iraq War and Bush fascism are in utter disrepute--creating a "bad business climate" for US multinationals. I think there is a crack in the Corporate Edifice about the Iraq War--a crack that provides a bit of opportunity for American democracy to start working again. They remain more unified on the police state that Bush has created out of 9/11, on massive war spending for whatever purpose (killing, or "withdrawing over the horizon," it doesn't matter), and on continued secret corporate control of vote counting--with or without lame measures like a 2% audit, as proposed by the Democratic Corporatists.

Without transparent vote counting, we have little or no power to reform ANYTHING: corporate news monopolies (should be busted up), gas companies gas gouging (their CEOs should be in jail!), filthy campaign contribution system (public financing of elections; free air time for public debate on OUR public airwaves!); Bushite destruction of every government agency and function (FEMA, EPA, FDA, the DoJ, etc.--IMPEACHMENT for gross malfeasance, not to mention massive crimes). We are nearly powerless and Americans largely don't know why--although that is changing, too. But it takes time, and it is not easy for ordinary citizens to keep up with the devious shit that the Bush Junta and its Democratic Party colluders (some of them) are pulling. People are just finding out about the purges of black and other Democratic voters. (4 to 6 million, according to Greg Palast--a great US investigative journalist who works for the BBC cuz nobody in our war profiteering corporate news monopolies will hire him).

Please don't spread this damaging, demoralizing and untrue "meme" that the American people don't care--or the other one that they are stupid "sheeple." Give them the considerable credit they deserve for the vast opposition to this war and to Bush, for having figured that out--despite relentless, 24/7 warmongering--and for their increasingly effective efforts to outvote the machines and to restore democracy, in the face of an insidious fascist coup and an out-of-control "military-industrial complex."

[Solo_in_MD]

3. Hard to blame them

[Bandit]

4. I sure don't understand why people don't trust LIARS........

:shrug: Just doesn't make any sense at all.